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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 3, 2024 20:38:15 GMT
Well, Merrill is just stupid getting her clan killed but otherwise sweet I guess... In all my playthroughs, supported Merrill and never got her clan killed. If you got her clan killed, maybe it’s not her that’s stupid.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 3, 2024 20:38:34 GMT
I will certainly keep this in mind when I read it next however the last bit is where things fall apart because demons don't just return to the Fade. Things should've been a lot worse. But weren't. Which is where we start getting a little wary about exactly the nature of our "Demon" assassin. Lesser demons might well do as they're told if someone greater is giving the orders, although it did explain that with the focus for their vengeance having been destroyed, the demons simply departed. It is not as though spirits can't return voluntarily, look at Cole at the end of Trespasser. However, it may well be there was more to that encounter at the end of the Wigmaker than meets the eye. I do wonder if our old friend Justice found himself a new host or some sort of Faith spirit not attracted to just fervent belief in the Maker. Mind you, the Antivans are meant to be religious, even Zevran was, and Andraste did want to end slavery in Tevinter. I think she'd really hate the Venatori, so may be her faith spirits would too. Also I do wonder if the contract was to do more than just kill Forfex but that is all he told Illario. It was noticeable that he only declared "contract complete" after the demons had departed. Even if he didn't know the full details of what he would find, he might have been told to expect something and deal with it. He was clearly working with the Shadow Dragons even if he wasn't aware of it because of the additional help he received, and someone was paying him very well for his services (I assume although again that could be just what he told Illario)
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 3, 2024 20:42:48 GMT
Well, Merrill is just stupid getting her clan killed but otherwise sweet I guess... In all my playthroughs, supported Merrill and never got her clan killed. If you got her clan killed, maybe it’s not her that’s stupid. Or maybe you prevented her clan from being killed despite her single-mindedness.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 3, 2024 20:52:38 GMT
In all my playthroughs, supported Merrill and never got her clan killed. If you got her clan killed, maybe it’s not her that’s stupid. I objected to having to take responsibility for Merrill's actions on my first run. She was old enough to take responsibility for herself. Also, I felt if anyone was to blame it was Marethari for being stupid enough to allow herself to be possessed. Merrill had taken precautions; that is why we were there. So, it was the writing team to blame in making the only way to avoid conflict such an annoyingly stupid choice. I still don't understand why the clan found that acceptable and not one of the other explanations. We were as good as admitting it was Merrill's fault but we would take responsibility for it. I honestly thought that was the one that would result in them attacking us.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 3, 2024 21:03:55 GMT
In all my playthroughs, supported Merrill and never got her clan killed. If you got her clan killed, maybe it’s not her that’s stupid. I objected to having to take responsibility for Merrill's actions on my first run. She was old enough to take responsibility for herself. Also, I felt if anyone was to blame it was Marethari for being stupid enough to allow herself to be possessed. Merrill had taken precautions; that is why we were there. So, it was the writing team to blame in making the only way to avoid conflict such an annoyingly stupid choice. I still don't understand why the clan found that acceptable and not one of the other explanations. We were as good as admitting it was Merrill's fault but we would take responsibility for it. I honestly thought that was the one that would result in them attacking us. It made sense because it was clear that the clan wanted blood, so Hawke acted diplomatically and let them here what they wanted. It was a complete lie, but they bought it and while still devastated Merrill at least feels slightly better than if they were killed.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 3, 2024 21:05:06 GMT
Will Lucanis still support the Crows or do you think he’ll be against them like Zevran?
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 3, 2024 21:49:16 GMT
Will Lucanis still support the Crows or do you think he’ll be against them like Zevran? I suspect we'll be able to push him in either direction, like Iron Bull and the Qun.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 3, 2024 22:02:29 GMT
Will Lucanis still support the Crows or do you think he’ll be against them like Zevran? I suspect we'll be able to push him in either direction, like Iron Bull and the Qun. I meant more like his starting position.
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 3, 2024 22:09:20 GMT
I suspect we'll be able to push him in either direction, like Iron Bull and the Qun. I meant more like his starting position. Well, he did fake his death to get away from them.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 3, 2024 22:13:23 GMT
I meant more like his starting position. Well, he did fake his death to get away from them. Did he though? I mean, we don't really know. We do know that he's wholly uninterested with being their leader. But we also know that he's a thorn on Venatori side - and this sis till a dangerous faction, full of dangerous individuals.
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Post by jupitermoon on Jul 3, 2024 22:13:56 GMT
Ah, I am loving this guy and the game isn't even out yet. I didn't feel that way for any of the Inquisition companions pre-release.
I don't care if he is possessed, as long as he doesn't betray me by secretly working for Solas or the Evanuris or the Executors or whoever else. I'm definitely romancing him first regardless of potential betrayal or heartbreak since I believe in living with the consequences in these games. And it doesn't matter how short he is since he will still be taller than my dwarf Rook!
I loved him in The Wigmaker Job, and I jump to his defense as well! He got that one slave out safely, and the others were corrupted by red lyrium and so were beyond saving. That story was quite dramatic and flamboyant with the wigs coming alive. I wonder if we will get more unexpected stuff like that in the game.
I also wonder what is meant by Lucanis "lacking social skills." I hope he is shy/awkward rather than being arrogant or disregarding/insensitive to others feelings. He seems to be smiling and interacting with Harding and/or Neve in that group picture rather than being aloof/disinterested/or anti-social looking the way that Taash looks.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 3, 2024 22:17:54 GMT
Ah, here's an interesting question: in case Rook doesn't romance Lucanis, would he stay single, or would he hook up with someone? And who could that be?
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 3, 2024 22:21:45 GMT
I've been thinking about Zara-Topshop Renata and her ominous like "So he fancies the name Demon, let's make sure he lives up to it" . Dunno if something happened in the gap between TVN and Veilguard, of if they're saving that antagonist for the game. But she's gotta be in the mix, for sure. What an easy foe to defeat, though. All Lucanis has to do is say "Is that... is that cellulite?" - then she's distracted/horrified, he cuts her head off, done.
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Post by jupitermoon on Jul 3, 2024 22:30:20 GMT
Oh yeah, Zara. She needs to be the antagonist in his personal quest, though it would be awesome if the companions had more than one personal quest line each. He should deal with Zara and also help fend off the Qunari in Antiva. That line she said makes me wonder if she somehow stuffed a demon in him off screen.
My feeling is that he won't romance anyone else because he will be too shy/awkward.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 3, 2024 23:06:31 GMT
You know all this is really making me eager to reread the Wigmaker job when I get there. Lots of stuff I obviously missed.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 4, 2024 1:03:44 GMT
Ah, here's an interesting question: in case Rook doesn't romance Lucanis, would he stay single, or would he hook up with someone? And who could that be? Well, we know Taash/Harding can happen if you don't romance them so presumably they're out. I have fond hopes that if we don't romance Neve she'll end up with Rana Savas.
So that leaves us with Lucanis/Davrin, Lucanis/Bellara or Lucanis/Emmrich. Any of those could be fun! I kind of like the idea of the two elves getting together since our elf companions have ended up with non-elves (unless our Warden/Inquisitor is an elf and romances them) so my vote is for Davrin/Bellara and Lucanis/Emmrich.
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Post by roselavellan on Jul 4, 2024 4:37:03 GMT
I don't know a lot about them yet, but I rather like the idea of a hardened ice queen with an older romantic gentleman, also because she seems a bit closer to his age. Unless there are, hmm, story reasons for Lucanis/Emmrich. Also possible for a Bellara type of person to draw out a reticent Lucanis.
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Post by fairdragon on Jul 4, 2024 7:33:55 GMT
So that leaves us with Lucanis/Davrin, Lucanis/Bellara or Lucanis/Emmrich. Also possible for a Bellara type of person to draw out a reticent Lucanis. I vote for Bellara/Lucanis. Her happy personality can brighten his days. I love stories where character help each other get a better person.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2024 10:43:19 GMT
Will Lucanis still support the Crows or do you think he’ll be against them like Zevran? I find it hard to read him at present because things may have changed between Tevinter Nights and the game, more than just him apparently faking his death. We still need the details on that one because at least one person has suggested that he may have done it to put the Venatori off his trail rather than to leave the Crows, which is what I thought was the more likely explanation. He didn't want to be First Talon and Illario did, he seemed to want to continue doing what he had been doing in Tevinter and he made it clear to Illario that the Crows aren't heroes anywhere, not even in Antiva where they do seem to think they are because of their protection racket. Now if it was a matter of supporting the Crows against the Qun, then I think he probably would to save his country from the Antaam, and he would definitely support them against the Venatori. However, if someone like Josephine came to him and asked him to do something that would be in opposition to his grandmother's schemes, then I could see him being persuaded to do it. As I said in my post above, he seemed to have made allies among the Shadow Dragons during his time in Tevinter and did seem to be willing to help their cause, even if he didn't know exactly who he was working for. His reaction to what he found in Forfex's estate was not that of a professional assassin, bearing in mind he had been conditioned from a young age to think and act in a certain way by his awful grandmother, which is meant to repress all emotion, even though he then resorted to his training and used his revulsion and anger effectively. We had hints of what their training involves with Zevran and this was confirmed by Lucanis' memories in TN. To my mind Lucanis and Illario represented the two different ways that a person could turn out. Illario was all superficial charm but as Lucanis perceived underneath was something rotten. At the end of the story it says there was a gulf between them. So, I am hoping that he finally saw the way out of his dilemma was to give Illario what he clearly wanted and get out the only way he could, by faking his death. I have hopes he is going to be similar to Zevran except his motives for rejecting the Crows are going to be different and he is probably going to be much harder work when it comes to letting down his guard and allowing you to see who he really is.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2024 10:53:11 GMT
Ah, here's an interesting question: in case Rook doesn't romance Lucanis, would he stay single, or would he hook up with someone? And who could that be? My feeling is that he won't romance anyone else because he will be too shy/awkward. Same here, I imagine he is going to be hard work getting to the point of even seeing you as his friend, let alone his lover. Still, if he was going to hook up with anyone else, I imagine it would probably be Neve. I think she would be good at digging beneath the surface and getting round his defenses, plus they actually do seem to have similar aims at least where Tevinter is concerned. She is also described as a cynic and I think he is similar with regard to most people, particularly those in authority. I really can't envisage him with anyone else, although I don't really know enough about the others to really make an informed judgement on that.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2024 10:59:02 GMT
I vote for Bellara/Lucanis. Her happy personality can brighten his days. I love stories where character help each other get a better person. If there is nothing dodgy about Bellara then I would agree. However, if she is going to turn out to be another Solas type surprise then I wouldn't wish that on anyone else but particularly Lucanis. I'd hate for him to lay bare his emotional side, only to have it stomped on.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2024 11:04:57 GMT
I have fond hopes that if we don't romance Neve she'll end up with Rana Savas. We have no idea if Rana is even in the game. She could be dead by now or transferred to another part of Tevinter. Hell, if the Magisterium finally got their act together over the invasion, she may even have been sent to the front line. Also, unless they strike up a relationship early on, our team are going to be spending a lot of time at the Lighthouse, which might account for why they tend to hook up with one another rather than outside the team.
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Post by jupitermoon on Jul 4, 2024 11:27:35 GMT
I vote for Bellara/Lucanis. Her happy personality can brighten his days. I love stories where character help each other get a better person. If there is nothing dodgy about Bellara then I would agree. However, if she is going to turn out to be another Solas type surprise then I wouldn't wish that on anyone else but particularly Lucanis. I'd hate for him to lay bare his emotional side, only to have it stomped on. I am very suspicious of Bellara! She could be working for Solas, but that also seems too obvious. I'm thinking that she, and possibly Strife are with the Executors. The triangle earrings, the strange esoteric vallaslin she has, and also I love that she has East Asian features, but wasn't it said by one of the developers way back when, in response to fans questions that there were no Asians in Thedas but that certainly didn't mean there weren't Asians on other continents. So where are the other continents? Across the sea... But I am more worried about Lucanis being the traitor somehow. Since he is human that makes him less obvious than Bellara, which may be what the writers are going for. Completely unrelated, but when will we get a nice high quality in game closeup of Lucanis? Besides the trailer still-shot, which isn't quite accurate to what the companions actually look like from my understanding, we don't have anything. He is conspicuously absent from the closeups featuring the custom Rooks. All other companions are there except him- I blame the 2 companion limit for that, haha, so someone had to be left out. Poor Lucanis. 😞 And then again in other promo images he is small/in the background while the other companions are front and center.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2024 11:32:41 GMT
Completely unrelated, but when will we get a nice high quality in game closeup of Lucanis? I want this too. Perhaps from more than one angle as I really want to see the back of his jacket/cloak. Also, I'm longing to hear his voice. I wonder if we will get to hear that before the game.
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Post by jupitermoon on Jul 4, 2024 11:43:42 GMT
Completely unrelated, but when will we get a nice high quality in game closeup of Lucanis? I want this too. Perhaps from more than one angle as I really want to see the back of his jacket/cloak. Also, I'm longing to hear his voice. I wonder if we will get to hear that before the game. Yes! I am hoping he has a super smooth, rich voice, on the deeper side. He spoke... Spanish? in Wigmaker Job, unless 'Si' can also be Italian? I have heard it said that Antiva is a mix of Italy and Spain, but I'm not sure if that also means they language would be a mix of Spanish and Italian as well. Regardless, I hope he uses some more Spanish/Italian words when he talks! ❤
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