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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 2, 2024 21:07:13 GMT
I - for whatever reason- remember/imagined Lucanis tall and lean, as well… but how short are we talking about, here? 6’0? 5’10…?
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jul 2, 2024 22:30:49 GMT
6 ft is short? Oh wow. To me, a short guy would be under 5 ft 7 in . I'm 5'7" and a good amount of men I see daily are 5'7" to 5'10"-5'11 so to me that's what I consider average.
Edited to add: remember kids, if your feet touch the floor when you're standing up, you're tall enough! With love, auntie RR
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Jul 2, 2024 22:42:14 GMT
6 ft is short? Oh wow. To me, a short guy would be under 5 ft 7 in . I'm 5'7" and a good amount of men I see daily are 5'7" to 5'10"-5'11 so to me that's what I consider average. Edited to add: remember kids, if your feet touch the floor when you're standing up, you're tall enough! With love, auntie RR I'm 1.85m tall, or 6'1" in American-speak, and I think that might be the first time in my adult life it has been suggested that I might be "short". Not often mentioned as tall, though. Just right.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jul 2, 2024 22:54:17 GMT
6 ft is short? Oh wow. To me, a short guy would be under 5 ft 7 in . I'm 5'7" and a good amount of men I see daily are 5'7" to 5'10"-5'11 so to me that's what I consider average. Edited to add: remember kids, if your feet touch the floor when you're standing up, you're tall enough! With love, auntie RR I'm 1.85m tall, or 6'1" in American-speak, and I think that might be the first time in my adult life it has been suggested that I might be "short". Not often mentioned as tall, though. Just right. You are tall in my books 👍🏼
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 2, 2024 23:18:21 GMT
6 ft is short? Oh wow. To me, a short guy would be under 5 ft 7 in . I'm 5'7" and a good amount of men I see daily are 5'7" to 5'10"-5'11 so to me that's what I consider average. Edited to add: remember kids, if your feet touch the floor when you're standing up, you're tall enough! With love, auntie RR I'm 1.85m tall, or 6'1" in American-speak, and I think that might be the first time in my adult life it has been suggested that I might be "short". Not often mentioned as tall, though. Just right. I'm a 5'11" gal in Americanspeak (180 cm for normies ) and I'm taller than a lot of men from earlier generations, about as tall as guys around my age, and definitely not as tall as guys from younger generations, who can tower a head or more above me. So, it's relative, I guess To me, 180 is pretty tall, but for someone a decade or two younger than me it's not.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 2, 2024 23:21:30 GMT
Yeah I mean, not that 6'0 is short. I was hoping that by "short king", they meant more like average, just not super-tall.
I might have a warped sense of reality too, surrounded by freakin' giants. The ball and chains is 6'3. My brothers are both like vikings at 6'2 and 6'3-almost 4, and I'm not too short (5'7) for a girl, either... so IDK ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Evidently Caterina didn't give Lucanis PediaSure, my mom swears that's how my brothers got so tall. She says she used to cry to get them to eat, but they loved them some PediaSure, so she just stocked up on it.xD
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Post by colfoley on Jul 3, 2024 0:47:20 GMT
6 ft is short? Oh wow. To me, a short guy would be under 5 ft 7 in . I'm 5'7" and a good amount of men I see daily are 5'7" to 5'10"-5'11 so to me that's what I consider average. Edited to add: remember kids, if your feet touch the floor when you're standing up, you're tall enough! With love, auntie RR Yeah that's my height to so I think as a baseline that tends to be pretty...average? I think 5'5" or below is where you'd start pushing it but then again that is also where women start getting short as well...from my understanding of all this labelling. But hell I've had Hollywood Crushes taller then me to (though I have traditionally liked 'taller women') and the old cliche is men are supposed to be taller then women so...I guess I have always thought of myself as being a little on the short side. And given Dwarves are a thing in the setting I have to imagine Lucanis would be around the 5'5"-5'7" range and he is just short in comparison to the usual DA companion tends to be really tall and athletic and then when you add things like Giants, Ogres, Qunari, and Corypheus who is mentioned below... *climbs out of the muck of labels and over generalities and wipes some muck off his shoulders...shivers in disgust* 6 ft is short? Oh wow. To me, a short guy would be under 5 ft 7 in . I'm 5'7" and a good amount of men I see daily are 5'7" to 5'10"-5'11 so to me that's what I consider average. Edited to add: remember kids, if your feet touch the floor when you're standing up, you're tall enough! With love, auntie RR I'm 1.85m tall, or 6'1" in American-speak, and I think that might be the first time in my adult life it has been suggested that I might be "short". Not often mentioned as tall, though. Just right. All things are relative. Stand next to Rob Gronkowski or Zdeno Chara and you'd be short. Stand next to Corypheus and maybe Lucanis would be short.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 3, 2024 9:35:38 GMT
OK I finished reading The Wigmaker's Job. Yeah OK I can see he's going to be insanely popular as brooding hitman genius with a soft heart for the innocent and downtrodden. So I assume his whole shtick will be about how he only kills bad people who deserved it, thus allowing even a goody two shoes Rook to romance him, I guess.
Still, the dude is a crow and doesn't seem to be bothered by collateral damage. So this faction is still very unappealing to me. Can't the hot guy be a less shady faction?! Really not the bad boy kinda girl. Sigh. At least Cullen was only an addict I guess...
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Post by colfoley on Jul 3, 2024 10:47:05 GMT
OK I finished reading The Wigmaker's Job. Yeah OK I can see he's going to be insanely popular as brooding hitman genius with a soft heart for the innocent and downtrodden. So I assume his whole shtick will be about how he only kills bad people who deserved it, thus allowing even a goody two shoes Rook to romance him, I guess. Still, the dude is a crow and doesn't seem to be bothered by collateral damage. So this faction is still very unappealing to me. Can't the hot guy be a less shady faction?! Really not the bad boy kinda girl. Sigh. At least Cullen was only an addict I guess... That is pretty much the whole problem I had with him in TVN and why I despise the character, though I am curious to see if the BioWare writers can change my mind. Assassins by definition and mission type, at least how they are usually portrayed in popular fiction, are entirely precise soldiers. Only going after a single target and killing it no matter what. If others die, even other enemy soldiers, then in most cases the Assassin will have failed to do their mission. Unless they were targets to. Snipers are also pretty similar in this regard. Get in, do a job, get out. Hitman probably best exempliefies this attitude though there are other examples and on the flip side gameplay considerations, like in the Assassins Creed franchise, often makes it difficult to just kill single targets. And while I'm not aware of the Deep Lore on this matter per se, until this point all the major Assassinations I know of that the Crows have participated in historically have pretty much followed this pattern. They are pretty much known for wiping out single targets not in taking collateral damage, whatever their other problems. Which is what makes Lucanis's actions so insanely reckless. He did have cause to feel the way he did but ultimatley let his emotions get in the way of his better judgement and profesioanlism, went insane, and got a lot of people killed who weren't his targets...including the innocent people he was trying to save. Unless his character really has changed over the intervening years or has developped some regret over the stupidity of his actions this is one hell of a black mark to start against him and they don't really seem to match up from a writing standpoint. Though the audacity of it all did have a certain drama to the Wigmaker job.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 3, 2024 11:03:57 GMT
Can't the hot guy be a less shady faction?! I mean, Davrin is right there protecting the world from darkspawn and monsters with his adorable baby griffon. Seems like he's the more solid choice for people who want a smoking hot dude who isn't an assassin!
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 3, 2024 11:37:42 GMT
That is pretty much the whole problem I had with him in TVN and why I despise the character, though I am curious to see if the BioWare writers can change my mind. Assassins by definition and mission type, at least how they are usually portrayed in popular fiction, are entirely precise soldiers. Only going after a single target and killing it no matter what. If others die, even other enemy soldiers, then in most cases the Assassin will have failed to do their mission. Unless they were targets to. Snipers are also pretty similar in this regard. Get in, do a job, get out. Hitman probably best exempliefies this attitude though there are other examples and on the flip side gameplay considerations, like in the Assassins Creed franchise, often makes it difficult to just kill single targets. And while I'm not aware of the Deep Lore on this matter per se, until this point all the major Assassinations I know of that the Crows have participated in historically have pretty much followed this pattern. They are pretty much known for wiping out single targets not in taking collateral damage, whatever their other problems. Which is what makes Lucanis's actions so insanely reckless. He did have cause to feel the way he did but ultimatley let his emotions get in the way of his better judgement and profesioanlism, went insane, and got a lot of people killed who weren't his targets...including the innocent people he was trying to save. Unless his character really has changed over the intervening years or has developped some regret over the stupidity of his actions this is one hell of a black mark to start against him and they don't really seem to match up from a writing standpoint. Though the audacity of it all did have a certain drama to the Wigmaker job. I haven't played any DA game in 9 years and DAO was a looong time ago for me so I have only vague memories of how the crows operate, but I will agree with you that this was an incredibly messy job. But I guess this "emotional side" of him will be what makes people fall for him. Cold blooded killer would be difficult to sell. At least I found him a bit more likeable than his cousin. It did remind me a lot of Assassin's Creed now that you mention it. Get to the target by eliminating all guards on the way. Seems quite inspired by it.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 3, 2024 11:39:03 GMT
Can't the hot guy be a less shady faction?! I mean, Davrin is right there protecting the world from darkspawn and monsters with his adorable baby griffon. Seems like he's the more solid choice for people who want a smoking hot dude who isn't an assassin! But.. but... He's an elf! Nothing good ever comes from romancing an elf. #elfhater #magehater
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Post by colfoley on Jul 3, 2024 11:39:43 GMT
That is pretty much the whole problem I had with him in TVN and why I despise the character, though I am curious to see if the BioWare writers can change my mind. Assassins by definition and mission type, at least how they are usually portrayed in popular fiction, are entirely precise soldiers. Only going after a single target and killing it no matter what. If others die, even other enemy soldiers, then in most cases the Assassin will have failed to do their mission. Unless they were targets to. Snipers are also pretty similar in this regard. Get in, do a job, get out. Hitman probably best exempliefies this attitude though there are other examples and on the flip side gameplay considerations, like in the Assassins Creed franchise, often makes it difficult to just kill single targets. And while I'm not aware of the Deep Lore on this matter per se, until this point all the major Assassinations I know of that the Crows have participated in historically have pretty much followed this pattern. They are pretty much known for wiping out single targets not in taking collateral damage, whatever their other problems. Which is what makes Lucanis's actions so insanely reckless. He did have cause to feel the way he did but ultimatley let his emotions get in the way of his better judgement and profesioanlism, went insane, and got a lot of people killed who weren't his targets...including the innocent people he was trying to save. Unless his character really has changed over the intervening years or has developped some regret over the stupidity of his actions this is one hell of a black mark to start against him and they don't really seem to match up from a writing standpoint. Though the audacity of it all did have a certain drama to the Wigmaker job. I haven't played any DA game in 9 years and DAO was a looong time ago for me so I have only vague memories of how the crows operate, but I will agree with you that this was an incredibly messy job. But I guess this "emotional side" of him will be what makes people fall for him. Cold blooded killer would be difficult to sell. At least I found him a bit more likeable than his cousin. It did remind me a lot of Assassin's Creed now that you mention it. Get to the target by eliminating all guards on the way. Seems quite inspired by it. Don't know if you read the short story 'As We Fly' but also has huge AC vibes AND as an added bonus the Crows actually operate a lot more competently and single mindedly on their target in that one. Plus more stuff in TVN really gave me a new appreciation for the organization as a whole.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 3, 2024 11:53:31 GMT
I mean, Davrin is right there protecting the world from darkspawn and monsters with his adorable baby griffon. Seems like he's the more solid choice for people who want a smoking hot dude who isn't an assassin! But.. but... He's an elf! Nothing good ever comes from romancing an elf. #elfhater #magehater I mean, Zevran, Merrill and Sera's romances are really pretty low on drama and betrayal compared to other options in their respective games. It's not Zevran who dumps you for not being a human noble, or Merrill who blows up the Chantry without telling you, or Sera who turns on you if you don't save the Chargers.* And Fenris's romance has some angst in the middle but a happy end if you stick with it and don't leave Hawke in the Fade. I don't think you should let Solas and his entire deal poison you against elves in general!
*It's true that romancing Sera as an elf is an uphill battle that probably has a bad break-up at the end of it. but this is why you should give the girl what she wants and romance her with a Qunari instead.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 3, 2024 12:08:31 GMT
But.. but... He's an elf! Nothing good ever comes from romancing an elf. #elfhater #magehater I mean, Zevran, Merrill and Sera's romances are really pretty low on drama and betrayal compared to other options in their respective games. It's not Zevran who dumps you for not being a human noble, or Merrill who blows up the Chantry without telling you, or Sera who turns on you if you don't save the Chargers.* And Fenris's romance has some angst in the middle but a happy end if you stick with it and don't leave Hawke in the Fade. I don't think you should let Solas and his entire deal poison you against elves in general!
*It's true that romancing Sera as an elf is an uphill battle that probably has a bad break-up at the end of it. but this is why you should give the girl what she wants and romance her with a Qunari instead.
I also hated the Fenris romance playing mage Hawke, so MALE elf is BAD. *g* Well, Merrill is just stupid getting her clan killed but otherwise sweet I guess... Sara's romance might be good from what I've heard but doing her personal quest did not endear her to me... Girl has anger issues. Like emo Fenris. Zevran tried to kill me, I think. Yeah no I stand by my distrust for all things elven and mages in Thedas. Never ends well. Except for Dorian, the only good mage.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 3, 2024 12:22:20 GMT
OK I finished reading The Wigmaker's Job. Yeah OK I can see he's going to be insanely popular as brooding hitman genius with a soft heart for the innocent and downtrodden. So I assume his whole shtick will be about how he only kills bad people who deserved it, thus allowing even a goody two shoes Rook to romance him, I guess. Still, the dude is a crow and doesn't seem to be bothered by collateral damage. So this faction is still very unappealing to me. Can't the hot guy be a less shady faction?! Really not the bad boy kinda girl. Sigh. At least Cullen was only an addict I guess... Well, his collateral damage in that specific story was made up of blood mages and people who licked the boots of blood mages and Venatori like Forfex, so not much loss for society there from my point of view. And the Crows have had at least one large scale operation hat was also a clusterfuck. Zevran tells a story about how they were contracted to assassinate pretty much an entire wing of the Antivan royal family and it got really messy. I'm fuzzy on the exact details but I think he said it came close to bankrupting the nation or something. As I mentioned before in another thread, the Crows have really good PR to make people forget how messy and cutthroat they can really be. And I'd say Davrin is plenty hot, plus he seems to be more of a knight in shining armor type and has a dog.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 3, 2024 12:35:35 GMT
Which is what makes Lucanis's actions so insanely reckless. He did have cause to feel the way he did but ultimatley let his emotions get in the way of his better judgement and profesioanlism, went insane, and got a lot of people killed who weren't his targets... including the innocent people he was trying to save. Got to defend his actions here. What innocent people did he get killed that he was trying to save? The poor slaves who were chained up in Fortex's secret backroom? They were already mutilated beyond saving and stuffed full a red lyrium. He released them so they could exact their vengeance on the man who had done this to them. The models "naked and dead eyed"? Lucanis noted that despite their "manic smiles" as they took their turn on the catwalk, their "eyes remained lifeless". So, it seems likely they were walking corpses already. The people attending the fashion show? Not only could they see the misuse and abuse of the slaves in front of them but they were specially selected and invited guests and since the Venatori at the end seemed to count them among their own who died, it is entirely possible that everyone there was connected to the Venatori in some way. Plus any mage worth their salt could deduce what Lucanis did, that some really bad magic was at work there and yet they stayed to enjoy the show anyway. The soldiers including the captain of the guards, who was stupid enough to be brow beaten by her employer into wearing totally impractical clothing to fulfill her duties? Well, Effie knew what was going on in the horror chamber, so it is likely the rest of his servants and retainers did too. Effie was glad that Lucanis was going to kill Forfex and I doubt she would shed any tears for the people who had kept him safe and ensured they were unable to escape his clutches. Thus, I would not regard any of them as innocent. That just leaves Forfex's slaves. Lucanis did save them. He not only ordered Illario to do this but remembered to check that he had done so. Also Illario clearly wasn't lying about this because Zara Renata had heard about it. Thus, it would seem that Lucanis wasn't as reckless as might first appear. Whilst he did deviate from the initial brief, which was simply to kill Forfex, he still did it in a methodical manner and completed his mission in the house by making sure the demons had returned to the Fade. I also suspect that possibly his employer knew what Forfex was up to and how Lucanis might react when he discovered the truth, which is why the fee was so generous. They had wanted that result.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 3, 2024 12:56:45 GMT
Still, the dude is a crow and doesn't seem to be bothered by collateral damage. So this faction is still very unappealing to me. Can't the hot guy be a less shady faction?! Really not the bad boy kinda girl. Sigh. See above concerning my reaction to that particular job. We also learned that, like Zevran, he had been trained to be an assassin from a child and physically abused by his grandmother to make him remember her lessons. He was beaten and starved. It was probably worse being her grandson, being groomed for leadership, than it was for someone like Zevran, who admitted he quite liked his gilded cage, having come to appreciate it having spent a short time among the Dalish. Ditto Teia who was also a street rat who worked her way up the ranks. It was only after they ordered him to kill the love of his life and lied about her to get him to do it that Zevran finally realised what a life he was trapped in. He admitted he took the job against the Wardens because he was hoping they would kill him. This is why I am interested to discover what exactly did lie behind Lucanis' fake death. He clearly wanted to stop being Caterina's puppet or even avoid becoming the puppet master, yet he hadn't rejected his profession entirely. What did he mean when he said "Death is my Calling?" So, if he was just a ruthless assassin I wouldn't care how hot he is but I think there is more to it. Zevran is still my favourite romance to date because of what you slowly discover about him and how devoted he becomes to you in the end. If you do the ultimate sacrifice he is genuinely heartbroken and the epilogue says that he never loves again. If you don't and you both survive, he leaves you temporarily to exact his vengeance on House Arainai after which you are reunited out in the west, presumably never to leave you again. I'll take that over Fenris (the writers shafted me on that one) or even Dorian (he better be involved in DAV or he abandoned me for nothing). Alistair was okay but he won't marry you if you are an elf and he is King, which was disappointing (so I kept him as a Warden) and with Cullen I just don't know what all the fuss was about as he never interested me. Neither did Blackwall or Iron Bull. Don't get me started on Solas; I really got burned by that one. As for Anders, him turning out a murderous terrorist (and lying in order to get you to help him) does somewhat take the shine off that one. So, I'll take the sexy assassin who has never known love and see what we can do for each other. If the signs aren't good, there is always Davrin.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 3, 2024 13:36:21 GMT
I am curious what other people who have read Tevinter Nights make of the statement at the end of Eight Little Talons, when Viago is commenting that Caterina will wipe out House Kortez in vengeance for what Emil did he says: "Mark my words...she'll bring her demon of a grandson back from Tevinter to do the job personally."
A couple of things are niggling me about this. Firstly, Viago calls him a demon, yet I thought he was only just starting to be called that by the Venatori, except they call him the Demon. So, does his reputation go before him to such an extent that people regard him as demonic in his actions or was Viago implying something more?
Secondly, was Lucanis on something like a semi-permanent posting to Tevinter if he needed to be specifically called back to do a job in Antiva? That might indicate that the reason he is called the Mage killer in the trailer is that he was specifically trained to kill mages and thus the majority of contracts would likely to be in Tevinter. It might also explain his magic sensitivity if his training had been geared that way. However, it would beg the question, why, if he was ultimately intended to be Caterina's heir? Surely, he would be better off back in Antiva learning the social skills that apparently he lacks? Also, Lucanis had been summoned to return to Antiva presumably before the events of Eight Little Talons because the Wigmaker Job appears first in the anthology. Illario would appear to have been Caterina's personal messenger. No doubt this was because of the growing threat from the Antaam but since Lucanis delayed his return in order to do the Wigmaker contract, clearly he hadn't been sent there just to do that job. The story also mentions at least one of his other contracts in Minrathous. So, that does point to him being based for a period of time in Tevinter. Was that just for his one wealthy client with a number of jobs they wanted completing or just generally for hire? (At least at first). So many questions.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 3, 2024 14:09:43 GMT
Time is rather fucky in Tevinter Nights, indeed, there's no really good way of knowing when the stories take place relative to one another. Some could be at the same time, they could be out of order, they could be days apart or months apart. I don't remember much detail about the passage of time or events referenced between each other besides Solas and the Qunari invasion. Hunger mentions Antoine and Evka were recalled to Weisshaupt but it's not clear if it's because of what Ramesh found in Horrors of Hormak or another reason, Luck in the Gardens and The Streets of Minrathous both happen in Minrathous but there's no specific way to know when they take place in relation to one another, so a lot of questions I think will be around until the game comes out.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 3, 2024 14:24:27 GMT
Time is rather fucky in Tevinter Nights, indeed, there's no really good way of knowing when the stories take place relative to one another. Some were definitely all over the place when it came to continuity. In Herold Had the Plan the invasion by the Antaam of Tevinter had already begun, yet at the end Bharv gives the amulet to Vaea to take north. I checked with Nuncio, the author of the comic stories featuring Vaea and this would have been on her first journey north heading for Ventus. Yet when she got there the invasion hadn't yet happened. The very first story in Tevinter Nights also occurred after the attack on Ventus. The comic series Deception came out just before Tevinter Nights but you would think the writers at Bioware would know what was going to be in there, or why did the author of Herold Had the Plan even bother mentioning Vaea? They could have used any random Inquisition agent or even Charter would have made more sense.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 3, 2024 14:49:53 GMT
Conspiracy theory: BioWare is trying to uglify Lucanis because he’s just so insanely hot and ridiculously good-looking that insecure man-child players will feel threatened and inferior and this will affect sales. DISCUSS! It never works like that. No one ever has a problem with objectifying the male characters and playing on their sexual appeal, at least not unless something has changed recently. In video games perhaps? Don't know which country you are from but here in the U.K. with TV dramas it has often been observed that whilst a lot of complaints are made when this is done with female actors, somehow no one ever objects to Darcy in a wet shirt or Ross Poldark needing to remove his shirt entirely to do a bit of manual labour (that I'm pretty sure a gentleman would not have ever done in that era having plenty of people he could employ to do it for him). Purists might mutter how it was not in the spirit the era in which the work of fiction was set but the female viewers got really upset if anyone tried to prevent it. Also, it isn't just the ladies who appreciate a nicely honed masculine torso if you know what I mean. Remember Dorian's butt?
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 3, 2024 18:53:47 GMT
Conspiracy theory: BioWare is trying to uglify Lucanis because he’s just so insanely hot and ridiculously good-looking that insecure man-child players will feel threatened and inferior and this will affect sales. DISCUSS! It never works like that. No one ever has a problem with objectifying the male characters and playing on their sexual appeal, at least not unless something has changed recently. In video games perhaps? Don't know which country you are from but here in the U.K. with TV dramas it has often been observed that whilst a lot of complaints are made when this is done with female actors, somehow no one ever objects to Darcy in a wet shirt or Ross Poldark needing to remove his shirt entirely to do a bit of manual labour (that I'm pretty sure a gentleman would not have ever done in that era having plenty of people he could employ to do it for him). Purists might mutter how it was not in the spirit the era in which the work of fiction was set but the female viewers got really upset if anyone tried to prevent it. Also, it isn't just the ladies who appreciate a nicely honed masculine torso if you know what I mean. Remember Dorian's butt? Haha. I know, I was joking around!
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Post by colfoley on Jul 3, 2024 19:25:27 GMT
Which is what makes Lucanis's actions so insanely reckless. He did have cause to feel the way he did but ultimatley let his emotions get in the way of his better judgement and profesioanlism, went insane, and got a lot of people killed who weren't his targets... including the innocent people he was trying to save. Got to defend his actions here. What innocent people did he get killed that he was trying to save? The poor slaves who were chained up in Fortex's secret backroom? They were already mutilated beyond saving and stuffed full a red lyrium. He released them so they could exact their vengeance on the man who had done this to them. The models "naked and dead eyed"? Lucanis noted that despite their "manic smiles" as they took their turn on the catwalk, their "eyes remained lifeless". So, it seems likely they were walking corpses already. The people attending the fashion show? Not only could they see the misuse and abuse of the slaves in front of them but they were specially selected and invited guests and since the Venatori at the end seemed to count them among their own who died, it is entirely possible that everyone there was connected to the Venatori in some way. Plus any mage worth their salt could deduce what Lucanis did, that some really bad magic was at work there and yet they stayed to enjoy the show anyway. The soldiers including the captain of the guards, who was stupid enough to be brow beaten by her employer into wearing totally impractical clothing to fulfill her duties? Well, Effie knew what was going on in the horror chamber, so it is likely the rest of his servants and retainers did too. Effie was glad that Lucanis was going to kill Forfex and I doubt she would shed any tears for the people who had kept him safe and ensured they were unable to escape his clutches. Thus, I would not regard any of them as innocent. That just leaves Forfex's slaves. Lucanis did save them. He not only ordered Illario to do this but remembered to check that he had done so. Also Illario clearly wasn't lying about this because Zara Renata had heard about it. Thus, it would seem that Lucanis wasn't as reckless as might first appear. Whilst he did deviate from the initial brief, which was simply to kill Forfex, he still did it in a methodical manner and completed his mission in the house by making sure the demons had returned to the Fade. I also suspect that possibly his employer knew what Forfex was up to and how Lucanis might react when he discovered the truth, which is why the fee was so generous. They had wanted that result. I will certainly keep this in mind when I read it next however the last bit is where things fall apart because demons don't just return to the Fade. Things should've been a lot worse. But weren't.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jul 3, 2024 19:29:13 GMT
I'm really desperate to re-read Tevinter Nights, but I still haven't located my copy. I've seen it somewhere relatively recently, but alas! No doubt it'll suddenly appear out of nowhere after the game has been released when I don't have an ardent desire to peruse the stories with the Veilguard characters like I do now.
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