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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 24, 2024 20:19:10 GMT
I just don’t think it’s necessarily a Wynne or Anders repeat. There’s more ways to tell a story and this is not all there is to Lucanis. He’s also a non-mage, presumably unwilling host to this spirit (via Zara, probably) and with the Veil so thin and his backstory, what a chance to shine a light upon the subject of spirits and demons again, but showing different angles and nuances. I’m open to it. My interest in Lucanis as a character has not waned, and his combat skills seem cool AF also.
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Post by jennica on Aug 24, 2024 20:20:21 GMT
The new gameplay video has Lucanis's description as "Swift and precise assassin with a demonic aura". So I guess that confirms there is indeed some actual demon connection.
Also, one of his abilities is called 'Abominate".
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2024 20:21:18 GMT
I just don’t think it’s necessarily a Wynne or Anders repeat. There’s more ways to tell a story and this is not all there is to Lucanis. He’s also a non-mage, presumably unwilling host to this spirit (via Zara, probably) and with the Veil so thin and his backstory, what a chance to shine a light upon the subject of spirits and demons again, but showing different angles and nuances. I’m open to it. My interest in Lucanis as a character has not waned, and his combat skills seem cool AF also. oooh I like this idea that he is an unwilling host. Might blow some of my initial ideas to the Void but could be interesting. Also dangerous. Hmm.
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 25, 2024 0:34:33 GMT
The thing is that non-mages cannot survive sustained possession, even over short periods of time. That's why demons prefer to ignore them in favor of mages. Is this another thing that changed with the Breach?
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Post by colfoley on Aug 25, 2024 0:54:38 GMT
The thing is that non-mages cannot survive sustained possession, even over short periods of time. That's why demons prefer to ignore them in favor of mages. Is this another thing that changed with the Breach? I didn't know that was a thing.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 25, 2024 8:30:08 GMT
The thing is that non-mages cannot survive sustained possession, even over short periods of time. That's why demons prefer to ignore them in favor of mages. Is this another thing that changed with the Breach? I didn't know that was a thing. Same here. I thought they just preferred mages because it was easier to make contact with their mind. Plus there is the whole issue of the Seeker's relationship to the Faith Spirit that grants them their powers. It seems inconceivable to me that just one mind touch grants them extraordinary abilities, several of which seem very similar to some blood magic spells (like the ability to set lyrium aflame in the target being) and the constant protection from possession and mind control, that would thus would need sustained spiritual power to do so. So, whilst Cassandra may not have appreciated or be willing to admit the implications, it does seem as though Seekers are in some way linked mentally with the Faith Spirit, which is to all intents and purposes, possession. Some sort of similar relationship would also seem to underlie the Spirit Warrior specialism, where a spirit agrees to offer certain abilities in return for a "glimpse at the world" through the eyes of the mortal. Morrigan explained back in DAO that it was easier for the possessing spirit to bed in the more similar the host was to the original being they came from. Thus a mage and a blood relative would be a better vessel for Flemeth/Mythal to transfer to. However, I assume it would not be impossible to maintain a similar bond with a non-mage but perhaps it would more likely result in a simple abomination rather than a co-operative partnership. As I've said previously, perhaps it all comes back to terminology. The definitions we have been supplied with up to now have all been influenced by the attitude to magic and the spirit world of the southern Chantry. Because of their prejudices, we have negative words associated with partnerships with spirits and a negative perception of the outcome of such a relationship. Even the categorisation into spirits and demons is too simplistic a way of regarding such beings as evidenced by Cole. So, now we are moving to a more magically sympathetic part of the world, perhaps we will have the opportunity to regard such relationships in a different light. That said, when Tevinter mages regard a mundane as a demon that isn't encouraging. What I think will be really interesting and illuminating will be Solas' reaction to Lucanis. I am sure he will want to venture his opinion as he normally does on such matters.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 25, 2024 8:53:23 GMT
Me three, didn't know. I remember something in DAO like "it's unknown why spirits prefer mages, whether it's because of their awareness in the Fade or the powers they'd have at their disposal in a mage's body" - along the lines of that. But regardless, can't and haven't spirits / demons inhabited non-mages, before? I can think of a few occasions (one being in the Wigmaker's Job), but Sophia Dryden also came to mind. Couldn't there have been similar circumstances for Lucanis... especially if he did die (or nearly did, was revived by the spirit... etc etc) + whatever else might be going on with the Veil in DAV? Even more so, if a powerful and resourceful mage such as Zara wanted it to happen?
Even if it's canonically unusual, rare... difficult, I don't think it's impossible. A million ways something like this could be explained away... starting with Lucanis' apparent sensitivity to magic, for one. We don't fully know what that's about.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 25, 2024 9:11:40 GMT
Ever since I saw the purple wings on Lucanis I had to think of Dorian's necromancy (also... purple btw ), since they look rather spirit-y. I doubt they'd go for Lucanis being actually dead and brought back to life by a spirit. But maybe it's possible for him having been on the brink of death and being saved by binding? A spirit/demon connection could be interesting in any case. I admit I have not yet read his story in Tevinter Nights, but it's actually the next one I'm reading since I bought the book recently. I also hope for something like this. I am not a big fan of he faked his death theory. That would doesn't feel right for me and his character.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 25, 2024 9:13:07 GMT
Even if it's canonically unusual, rare... difficult, I don't think it's impossible. A million ways something like this could be explained away... starting with Lucanis' apparent sensitivity to magic, for one. We don't fully know what that's about.This is why I am hopeful that whatever his relationship with the spirit it was already there in that story because he seemed to have uncanny abilities and not just sensitivity to the presence of magic. His hearing and analysis of what was occurring in the bar downstairs is way beyond what a normal human should be capable of and, as I previously pointed out, Illario did not seem to possess similar awareness despite having had the same training. So, if Lucanis already had this relationship with a spirit back then, he seemed relatively "normal" with it. Also, it wasn't something that came about because of his alleged death. I think it might also explain his determination to continue doing what he always had rather than being ambitious for promotion or taking Illario's offer that he could live an easier life under him as First Talon. "Death is my calling" but specifically aimed at certain elements in society. That seems very much the attitude of a spirit with a particular motivation and perhaps they are working very much in agreement on the matter.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 25, 2024 9:17:33 GMT
I also hope for something like this. I am not a big fan of he faked his death theory. That would doesn't feel right for me and his character. I'm not too enthused by the "spirit revived" him theory either. That suggests more an enforced partnership on the part of the spirit (which would be particularly disturbing if it is a demon) rather than Lucanis choosing to co-operate in a shared venture. If he did this earlier than Tevinter Nights, then his death in the short story after those events could have been a genuine attempt on his life that Illario thought was fatal but the cohabiting spirit prevented that outcome.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 25, 2024 10:53:43 GMT
I also hope for something like this. I am not a big fan of he faked his death theory. That would doesn't feel right for me and his character. I'm not too enthused by the "spirit revived" him theory either. That suggests more an enforced partnership on the part of the spirit (which would be particularly disturbing if it is a demon) rather than Lucanis choosing to co-operate in a shared venture. If he did this earlier than Tevinter Nights, then his death in the short story after those events could have been a genuine attempt on his life that Illario thought was fatal but the cohabiting spirit prevented that outcome. That would be also okay. As long as the death isn't any plan of one of them, i am okay with that.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 25, 2024 12:58:06 GMT
Check out this still shot of Lucanis doing a high leap to land on the darkspawn before Rook gets there. Whilst he is mostly obscured by Rook, you can see his legs which seem to have a purple aura that matches his wings. Presumably the weird red miasma is connected with the special ability he is using, unless it is someone attacking him. Are those red bolts coming from him or are directed at him?
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 25, 2024 13:11:43 GMT
Me three, didn't know. I remember something in DAO like "it's unknown why spirits prefer mages, whether it's because of their awareness in the Fade or the powers they'd have at their disposal in a mage's body" - along the lines of that. But regardless, can't and haven't spirits / demons inhabited non-mages, before? I can think of a few occasions (one being in the Wigmaker's Job), but Sophia Dryden also came to mind. Couldn't there have been similar circumstances for Lucanis... especially if he did die (or nearly did, was revived by the spirit... etc etc) + whatever else might be going on with the Veil in DAV? Even more so, if a powerful and resourceful mage such as Zara wanted it to happen? Even if it's canonically unusual, rare... difficult, I don't think it's impossible. A million ways something like this could be explained away... starting with Lucanis' apparent sensitivity to magic, for one. We don't fully know what that's about. Sophia was only possessed post-mortem, which is still less preferable than a living mage.
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Post by athras on Aug 26, 2024 13:45:53 GMT
But regardless, can't and haven't spirits / demons inhabited non-mages, before? In the book Asunder, Evangeline (a templar) was also revived by having a spirit transferred into her after she died.
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Post by athras on Aug 26, 2024 14:02:19 GMT
Are those red bolts coming from him or are directed at him? It seemed like his ability in the video. I've noticed in the video that his attacks seem to give pink/magenta sparkles of magic and he has a pink aura/effects around him rather than the purple of his wings. It also makes me wonder, if it's connected to the colour of the demon (and therefore it might not be Pride?).
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Post by theascendent on Aug 26, 2024 14:27:17 GMT
I wonder who/what kind of spirit is possessing him. What if it's the Formless One? The last of the Forbidden Ones? The reason he is so focused on killing Venatori is that they are keeping the seals keeping it imprisoned and each death of a particular Venatori member weakens it's prison.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 26, 2024 14:29:15 GMT
It also makes me wonder, if it's connected to the colour of the demon (and therefore it might not be Pride?). I'm not familiar with the colours associated with demons. I have to admit I thought purple was more associated with spirit magic generally (particularly offensive spirit spells), not just Pride demons, and purple now seems to be the brand colour for Veilguard both with Bioware marketing and in game with the faction. If the red/pink is associated with his demon then perhaps it is a new demon we haven't encountered before. Also, could it be in anyway associated with the symbol that is revealed when the staff explodes. We've assumed it is associated with Zara and her blood magic but perhaps it was something to do with his spirit manifesting its power.
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Post by athras on Aug 26, 2024 16:14:20 GMT
It also makes me wonder, if it's connected to the colour of the demon (and therefore it might not be Pride?). I'm not familiar with the colours associated with demons. I have to admit I thought purple was more associated with spirit magic generally (particularly offensive spirit spells), not just Pride demons, and purple now seems to be the brand colour for Veilguard both with Bioware marketing and in game with the faction. If the red/pink is associated with his demon then perhaps it is a new demon we haven't encountered before. Also, could it be in anyway associated with the symbol that is revealed when the staff explodes. We've assumed it is associated with Zara and her blood magic but perhaps it was something to do with his spirit manifesting its power. Yeah, it can definitely be purple is generally spirit magic. I was just thinking some demons and spirits in the past had different colours, though that was mostly related to their elemental damage, I suppose: Pride (purple - electricity), Rage (orange and red - fire), Despair (blue - ice), Wraiths are green.
But it got me to remember the Desire demons with their magenta aura around their head - I think perhaps that could be another candidate for Lucanis? Everyone has some kind of desires and they were usually the one making bargains in the past games.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 26, 2024 18:37:56 GMT
But it got me to remember the Desire demons with their magenta aura around their head - I think perhaps that could be another candidate for Lucanis? Everyone has some kind of desires and they were usually the one making bargains in the past games. It is likely a specific named demon rather than a generic one. There have been a number of different named demons in game, many of them associated with Pride or Desire. However, it could be a different attribute. I seem to recall Lord Woolsley was a Rage demon if attacked but had been very helpful to the family whose goat he had possessed. In view of the fact that demons can be helpful and benign spirits can be burdensome if they carry their obsession to excess, it may not be a clear cut spirit/demon distinction. I was looking through the spirits and demons that appear as possibilities on the DA Wiki and the Spirit of Duty took my eye. When thinking about duty, Lucanis has been burdened with his grandmother's expectations for him. When young he didn't want to disappoint her and then later couldn't refuse her. He hated her for the way she had abused him as a child, yet realised she was preparing him to survive as an assassin, which gave him a grudging sense of loyalty to her as a result. Then looking at some of the synonyms for Duty, I saw an alternative suggestion of "Calling". That immediately made me think of Lucanis stating "Death is my Calling." So a Spirit of Duty could have been attracted to him because he is so committed to his profession as an assassin and feels duty bond to his grandmother but has not the desire for power or prestige that would go with being First Talon. Feeling duty bound isn't necessarily a positive thing but can make you feel trapped. May be the spirit sensed he was conflicted and wanted to find a way to help him by giving him a sense of duty/calling towards something else. Further clue, the latest information is that his daggers deal "necrotic" damage. I hope that means his blows are deadly and deal damage that isn't easily healed rather than he is really dead.
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“Lucanis is an expert assassin for whom the Antivan Crows are a family business. He is poised & pragmatic, but he’d rather not be the center of attention. His focus is usually on his work. Lucanis specializes in executing powerful mages and has earned himself the title Demon of Vyrantium.”
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”Lucanis stylishly deals necrotic damage in battle with his dual-daggers, whilst supporting his companions with potions and buffs.”
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Post by jennica on Aug 27, 2024 1:22:31 GMT
I like how Lucanis wears a sweater under his armor. It makes his outfit look kinda cozy.
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Post by Syv on Aug 27, 2024 2:07:46 GMT
mmh, there is another one of Lucanis, with another facial expression
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 27, 2024 7:57:41 GMT
Further clue, the latest information is that his daggers deal "necrotic" damage. I hope that means his blows are deadly and deal damage that isn't easily healed rather than he is really dead. They said we can kiss a skeleton but not manfred.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 27, 2024 8:00:49 GMT
I like how Lucanis wears a sweater under his armor. It makes his outfit look kinda cozy. He looks older than I thought. Maybe it is the beard. But this picture looks different than the other we got. At least for me.
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