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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 27, 2024 8:37:57 GMT
He looks older than I thought. Maybe it is the beard. But this picture looks different than the other we got. At least for me. Exactly my thoughts. Perhaps it the fact he is frowning or the look in his eyes, sort of world weary. He looks anything but demonic there, just...sad? Like he has seen too much death and it weighs on him. Or perhaps it reflects his isolation and loneliness. That picture definitely makes me want to give him a big hug and tell him he's not alone. I really am a sucker for the dark, broody, mysterious ones.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 27, 2024 8:52:04 GMT
I like how Lucanis wears a sweater under his armor. It makes his outfit look kinda cozy. Typical medieval undergarment for wearing beneath armour, which shows he is practical not flashy like Davrin with his bare chested look. It may also reflect their respective characters. For Lucanis being an assassin is just a job that he was trained for from childhood, so he finds it hard to see himself as anything else but he isn't in it for the glory, doesn't see himself as a hero and keeps his real self hidden, discouraging intimacy. Davrin would appear to be the complete opposite. He wants to noticed and is actively seeking adventure and renown. He wants to be remembered as a hero and monster slayer. He is open, inviting and encouraging the onlooker to be intimate with him.
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Post by Syv on Aug 27, 2024 17:24:55 GMT
Holycrap, Lucanis, looks fucking good
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Post by lucidae on Aug 27, 2024 17:37:10 GMT
I love that his pauldrons have an eye pattern that's been tooled into the leather
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Aug 28, 2024 1:54:33 GMT
Holycrap, Lucanis, looks fucking good “The kind of man you couldn’t look away from - until he looked at you.”
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Post by colfoley on Aug 28, 2024 2:13:25 GMT
That blurb makes me wonder if we will recruit him IN Vyrantium.
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Post by athras on Aug 28, 2024 12:38:27 GMT
I was looking through the spirits and demons that appear as possibilities on the DA Wiki and the Spirit of Duty took my eye. You're right, I can definitely see Duty as a big possibility. I like that and it could be interesting, if his quest involves him deciding whether he fulfills his duty to the Crows or not. I would be interesting to see the consequences of that on this possible pact.
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Post by theascendent on Aug 28, 2024 13:25:50 GMT
Who hired Lucanis to kill all these Venatori members? Being an assassin is his job, not a charity. So someone with deep pockets and an extensive information network is paying for Lucanis' services and pointing them towards the correct targets.
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Post by jupitermoon on Aug 28, 2024 14:04:37 GMT
I was wondering if a nice clear in-game image of his face was too much to ask!
I love his look. I feel like he is a sweetheart deep down, and his eyes are indicating that. He has an amazing beard as well. I would say he's around 35 yrs old. No scars on his face that I can see, which indicates that he is really good at his job and likely kills his targets before they can fight back.
One thing that I have noticed. He has several spots/freckles on his forehead. Could that be another nod to his possible pride demon possession? How many eyes does a pride demon have on its forehead?
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 28, 2024 14:49:19 GMT
Who hired Lucanis to kill all these Venatori members? Being an assassin is his job, not a charity. So someone with deep pockets and an extensive information network is paying for Lucanis' services and pointing them towards the correct targets. The "Wigmaker's Job" suggests it's... Solas Someone may argue that it's maybe Inquisition, but Lucanis and Illario heading through a secret magical tunnel (which Lucanis calls a perk from his mysterious benefactor) hidden under a statue of a vhenadahl and guarded by a mysterious elf? Smells like Solas' shenanigans to me. Even more so that we know that this wouldn't be a singular event - Solas does hire people (who may not know who they're working for) to do jobs for him. And given that it is 95% Solas that hired Lucanis to get rid of the Venatori... then despite suggestion that Neve may help us find companions, Lucanis may as well be brought to the party by Solas himself. And given that Lucanis may have met his demise (or "demise") because of the jobs he was doing for Solas... well, then perhaps he may also have something to do with the whole potential demonic possession predicament?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 17:34:21 GMT
Who hired Lucanis to kill all these Venatori members? Being an assassin is his job, not a charity. So someone with deep pockets and an extensive information network is paying for Lucanis' services and pointing them towards the correct targets. The "Wigmaker's Job" suggests it's... Solas Where did you get that idea? Has Solas suddenly come into money? The fact the tunnel is hidden under a vhenadahl tree could just as easily point to the Shadow Dragons. Given they are in Tevinter, it is hardly surprising there is a magical tunnel. Also as the elf helping him was dressed in red that might suggest the Jennies being involved. I thought it more likely to be Dorian. He is on the Venatori hit list and they killed his father. According to his introduction at the Winter Palace he is also a member of the Vyrantium Circle, so might well know about magical tunnels through his time spent in the city. Thus there are plenty of reasons for him to be the one hiring a master assassin to pick them off and he has the money to do so. If the Jennies were working for him too, well he got on well with Sera so she would likely be happy to help him out. In any case, Dorian might well be working with the Shadow Dragons and since he freed all his slaves, he probably has a good reputation with them and city elves generally. I would add that I think Lucanis was aware who his mysterious benefactor was but was not prepared to divulge the information to Illario. As he said, he was being paid very well and "Silence is golden". I just don't see Solas being his sponsor. He would use his own people, not rely on Lucanis, particularly as the job was merely to kill Forfex, not rescue the slaves and end the suffering of the abused ones. That was something Lucanis decided to do on the spur of the moment. If Solas knew what Forfex was doing, I think he would have killed him himself.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 17:38:24 GMT
One thing that I have noticed. He has several spots/freckles on his forehead. Could that be another nod to his possible pride demon possession? How many eyes does a pride demon have on its forehead? I think that might be pushing it a litte. Harding has freckles and Lucanis has spots; it is just indicative of their realism. For the record, though, the usual number is six.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 17:41:57 GMT
No scars on his face that I can see, which indicates that he is really good at his job and likely kills his targets before they can fight back. He hasn't always had a beard, though. He joked in Tevinter Nights he could grow one if his face became too well known. I once met an undercover detective who had grown a beard to hide the scar where some criminals tried to cut his throat, so the beard on Lucanis could be hiding something similar. His high necked undergarment, combined with his beard may hide an old wound. I don't think the beard would be much of disguise when his armour is so distinctive.
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Post by eskiya on Aug 28, 2024 17:51:08 GMT
No scars on his face that I can see, which indicates that he is really good at his job and likely kills his targets before they can fight back. He hasn't always had a beard, though. He joked in Tevinter Nights he could grow one if his face became too well known. I once met an undercover detective who had grown a beard to hide the scar where some criminals tried to cut his throat, so the beard on Lucanis could be hiding something similar. His high necked undergarment, combined with his beard may hide an old wound. I don't think the beard would be much of disguise when his armour is so distinctive. His high collar could just be fashion, though.
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Post by MeadKnight on Aug 28, 2024 18:09:36 GMT
Lucanis from the Art book!
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Post by Liepsnele on Aug 28, 2024 18:13:36 GMT
Lucanis from the Art book! The pose at the bottom left, oh my! Also love the fact that he's drinking a cup of coffee in one of the drawings.
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Post by MeadKnight on Aug 28, 2024 18:21:00 GMT
I'm hoping that the fact there seems to be a mask means there'll be another ball. Hopefully one where we can actually choose our attire and the companions aren't in those horrible red uniforms lol
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Post by eskiya on Aug 28, 2024 18:30:59 GMT
Lucanis from the Art book! Look at that cute curly cue on his forehead!
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 18:35:25 GMT
His high collar could just be fashion, though. Oh of course. I've already explained the symbolism that might lie behind the designers choice of fashion for him. It is noticeable how he stays covered up even with his casual wear. Again, that could indicate his reserved, introvert nature, as opposed to Davrin with his open shirt and bare chest indicating he is far more outgoing and wanting to be the centre of attention, but it could be hiding something like a scar.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 18:38:21 GMT
Lucanis from the Art book! Glad they went with the long flowing locks rather than the bun or pony tail. I love it when he twists round and his hair flows in the wind.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 28, 2024 19:20:40 GMT
Who hired Lucanis to kill all these Venatori members? Being an assassin is his job, not a charity. So someone with deep pockets and an extensive information network is paying for Lucanis' services and pointing them towards the correct targets. The "Wigmaker's Job" suggests it's... Solas Where did you get that idea? Has Solas suddenly come into money? We've known that Solas has A LOT of money since Trespasser, when we've found his un-plundered hidden old sanctuary ruins the basements of which were filled with piles of gold coins, Scrooge McDuck style. Solas being a poor apostate hobo was always a ruse. The guy has resources to further his plans - and I don't see how he wouldn't be able to get these resources, even if he didn't own a number of hidden castles with piles of treasures hidden within. Solas can also easily get money either by pawing a few ancient magical artifacts he knows of but doesn't need, or by spying on people through dreams (and eluvians) and arranging things so he's has all the resources he needs. Jennies? In Tevinter? Using a hidden tunnel that's very likely something that's a leftover from Elvenhan, given its clearly ancient and magical nature and requiring someone who knows how it works? I'm definitely putting my bet over the elf being Solas' agent, way more than a Shadow Dragon or a Jenny. Dorian is a viable option, but we know that Solas was methodically eliminating Venatori even before they did anything to Dorian. Don't forget that his plan to give Corypheus the orb was supposed to be a "two birds with one stone" kind of plan, that wasn't just meant to open the orb, but get rid of the Venatori (or at least its leader). And we know he's eliminating enemies he either doesn't like or consider a nuisance - like he did with the Qunari in Trespasser, by... making Inquisitor do most of the job for him. Not judging what Lucanis says and thinks in that story. He's rather frank about being paid handsomely for the job, with an added perk of eliminating targets he personally dislikes (for being racist blood mages). That's enough for him, it seems. Also - Solas at this point is well-established to be working with people who are not his agents (and mostly using his agents to basically nudge people he works with/uses to positions they need to be, to do what he wants them to do). It's clearly part of his preferred modus operandi. Heck, tomorrow we're going to get a whole podcast story series about - and I quote - "a retired thief unknowingly working for the Dread Wolf". If the job was "merely to kill Forfex" why would he risk his agents and thus risk exposure? Isn't it better to outsource this kind of job, if it's "merely" to kill a few arseholes, probably just for being arseholes? And he more then likely hired Lucanis specifically because he knows what kind of character he is, and he knew that Lucanis didn't just take the job because he got paid well, but because he is morally opposed to what the Venatori do. Just like he's let Inquisitor eliminate the Qunari threat *specifically* because he knew he could trust (even the disliked) Inquisitor to follow the clues he's left. I know Solas had several f*ck-ups (granted, when it comes to Corypheus he misjudged what kind of creature Cory was, rather than his character), but Solas is well-established as a pretty good judge of character (and his f*ck ups may actually be attributed to the fact that he's so good at it, at times he grows too confident - too prideful! - about it). Even Evanuris notice this about him (as evidenced by the pamphlet warning against him we find in Vir Dirthara) and the fact that he knows so much about Inquisition is the main reason cited why the Inner Circle needs to hire new people.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 28, 2024 19:51:59 GMT
Heck, tomorrow we're going to get a whole podcast story series about - and I quote - "a retired thief unknowingly working for the Dread Wolf". Yes, and I did raise my eyebrows a bit at that. Considering they changed the title of the game so the focus wouldn't be on Solas, it is rather odd they want to involve him in the podcast as well as the Missing. I'm still going with Dorian as Lucanis' sponsor until proven otherwise. It made sense to me and it would be good if Solas wasn't involved in everything going on across Thedas. The things he has done up to now have not been without purpose. He despises the Qunari and wanted the south to be free of them but they had also invaded his eluvian network and were working on strengthening the Veil, so two birds with one stone. He involved the Inquisitor whether he approved of them or not. In fact, he could have despised them but still used them. Another aspect of him getting involved is that the Antaam promptly transferred their attention back up north and invaded Tevinter mainland instead. I imagine he had anticipated that would be the case and he wanted that distraction where he was most active. Then when his agent hired those two from Tevinter in Half Up Front, it was with the deliberate intent of both destroying the floating Darvaraad and bringing Par Vollen into the war with Tevinter. The Viddasala said they had started their magical research program for strengthening the Veil immediately after the Conclave explosion. Charter admitted the Ben'Hassrath probably knew more about his movements than anyone and he clearly would object to that, plus it may be their magical research was going too well, so focusing their attention away from him and destroying their research was helping his plans. I am struggling to see in what way eliminating Forfex would have aided Solas' plans. He was a vain, stupid, cruel fashion designer but beyond that he didn't seem to be very active in furthering Venatori power, probably only useful for his vote in the Magisterium. Lucanis had done other jobs in Tevinter but there was no way Solas would know for certain he would react in the way he did. After all, Zara Renata was only made away of Lucanis' "weakness" after the events at the fashion show, so if he had been in the habit of taking the jobs because he had moral scruples against the Venatori I think she would already have picked up on that. All that Lucanis' action did was cause the other Venatori to lay low for a while but it likely didn't stop their red lyrium manufacture considering all their soldiers are now equipped with red bladed weapons and they seem even more active in Tevinter at the beginning of DAV than they were when Corypheus was controlling them, so what exactly did Solas achieve if he was behind the killings? I don't know what he was playing at in the Missing but I'm fairly certain he left that trail for Harding and Varric to follow. Now apparently he did that with another group of people. Perhaps all will seem a bit clearer after the podcast has completed. No doubt, if you are right and Solas was Lucanis' paymaster, then it will be revealed there.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 28, 2024 20:35:01 GMT
Heck, tomorrow we're going to get a whole podcast story series about - and I quote - "a retired thief unknowingly working for the Dread Wolf". Yes, and I did raise my eyebrows a bit at that. Considering they changed the title of the game so the focus wouldn't be on Solas, it is rather odd they want to involve him in the podcast as well as the Missing. I'm still going with Dorian as Lucanis' sponsor until proven otherwise. It made sense to me and it would be good if Solas wasn't involved in everything going on across Thedas. They changed the title - not the story. Solas remains a pivotal character of DA, they just want to emphasize that the story is not just about Solas (and that he may have a different role in the plot than what can be assumed from the title). I mean, it's hard for the guy who effectively created modern Thedas and still works on things that will impact the entire world to not be deeply involved it the story and mysteries we're currently unraveling. Okay, and how's that different to him eliminating Venatori - especially that he's tried to eliminate them even before events of Inquisition? Thing is, aside from major events like Trespasser, there are all kinds of minor events he likely either hires people to complete for him, or to mess with factions he considers a threat or a nuisance, for whatever reason. It may even be because his trusted agents are involved in so many things that he actually HAS to outsource tasks to external parties and people. Forfex wasn't just some arsehole Venatori - he was doing some extremely shady things with Red Lyrium (so, the Blight) that were actively thinning the Veil, and who knows what else. That itself could've been the issue - and given that we know that Forfex was using one of Solas' "scrying tools", it's likely Solas could directly asses just how dangerous things Forfex was doing, aside from them being deranged. I mean, if Solas motivation for stopping the Qunari - aside from messing with eluvians - was to give Southerners some relief and peace of mind from hostile forces (regardless of his future plans involving the Veil) then I don't see how he wouldn't want to spare the mortals in Vyrantium being swarmed by Red Lyrium/Blight-induced monstrosities, and maybe even prevent a regional collapse of the Veil. After all, we know from Inquisition that the Veil can't just collapse in a chaotic fashion - otherwise why would Solas rush to try to fix and strengthen it during events of DAI? He wants to do something specific to the Veil, in a specific manner that requires long preparations and careful, practically surgical precision (as shown in gameplay reveal), and it's likely that anyone who messes with the Veil beforehand also messes with his plans. But Zara Renata is Zara Renata. Solas is Solas - a god-like being who's also an extremely powerful Dreamer, observing the world through the Fade, spirits, eluvians and who knows how many secret agents of his (of which we don't know that much *specifically because* he does little to expose himself in this area - this is why spymasters outsource things; to not get tracked). They're not in the same ballpark, power or influence-wise, so why even compare them? Also - if Venatori are still that powerful, maybe this is exactly why Solas found it prudent to cull their numbers? (also, we don't know how active the Venatori were in Tevinter; all what we see may have already been prepared when Cory was alive, specifically to help quickly take over Tevinter after Corypheus claims godhood and conquers the South) Maybe it will be revealed in Lucanis' segment, though IMO this may be something we'll find out in the game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2024 7:34:07 GMT
I mean, it's hard for the guy who effectively created modern Thedas and still works on things that will impact the entire world to not be deeply involved it the story and mysteries we're currently unraveling. If this is the case then it would suggest that they have changed direction slightly from how Solas' plans were presented in Trespasser. There it did just seem a case of wanting to reverse what he had done regardless of the cost. He fully anticipated that the majority of citizens were going to die as a result of his actions and he warned the Inquisitor specifically so they could enjoy what time they had left. Players reacted quite badly to that. Far more people turned against Solas as a result rather than felt sympathy for him. So, by Tevinter Nights PW had started softening the outcome a little in his words to Charter, even though it still implied only elves would survive. Then in the game play trailer he told Varric he had taken steps to mitigate the damage. Why couldn't he have told the Inquisitor he was going to do that back in Trespasser? Why didn't he tell Varric that he wasn't taking down the Veil at that moment in time but changing the prison of the gods? I still don't understand why he left the eluvian network open and had nobody guarding his ritual site. It is almost as though he wanted Varric and company to find him, or someone else did, Mythal perhaps? She wanted a reckoning that "would shake the very heavens", but that was unlikely if they were just locked away somewhere different. Anyway, my point is that whilst Solas was perfectly prepared to criticise our companions in DAI, it seemed rather hypocritical at the time to suggest, for example, that Dorian should devote himself to ending slavery, if in a few years everyone was going to die anyway. For the same reason, why would Solas involve himself too deeply in Tevinter politics. As he says to an Inquisitor who accuses him of not doing more for the elves, what could he achieve politically that the Inquisitor could not if it were possible? I don't see how he wouldn't want to spare the mortals in Vyrantium being swarmed by Red Lyrium/Blight-induced monstrosities, and maybe even prevent a regional collapse of the Veil. If that was Solas' motive, I repeat my assertion that he would have dealt with it himself if the danger of Veil collapse was that great because it would have messed with his plans. When he wanted to recover the idol he did this himself, acting either physically himself or via his alter ego in the Fade to stop its use in threatening the Veil. If what Forfex was doing had anything but local implications, he would not have entrusted it to Lucanis and if it did have only local implications he would not have bothered with it. If he was concerned about the red lyrium production he would have had Lucanis trace it back to its source not simply eliminate an end user. Besides, as you point out, Solas is a powerful Dreamer mage with ways of observing the world through the Fade, so he likely can detect where the main lyrium production is taking place and put an end to it. In the Missing Solas dealt with that Venatori in Vyrantium himself. By contrast, Dorian having Lucanis systematically pick off high ranking (from a Tevinter perspective) Ventori would make sense. He was trying to eradicate corruption in the Magisterium. He and Maevaris had managed to gather a small group of young Magisters to their Lucerni faction but he admitted they were not yet in a position to make a big impact. Then the Antaam attacked mainland Tevinter, Ventus/Qarinus, their home city, was attacked and destroyed and the Antaam swept down the eastern side of Tevinter virtually unopposed, which Trespasser said was down to the Imperium being already politically unstable. If the Venatori were the ones blocking or hampering the war effort, it would need urgent action. Thus, it would make sense that Dorian would hire an outside assassin to reduce their numbers in the Magisterium but ensure it couldn't be traced back to him. Remember the Forfex job wasn't the first one that Lucanis had been involved in. It said at the beginning of the story that the Crows (which would have been Lucanis or those working for him) had already killed eight others (which was all part of his contract for the rich, anonymous paymaster) and Lucanis did have enough of a reputation that when told it was specifically Lucanis coming for him that Forfex actually felt worried. Lucanis was systematically killing Venatori but there seemed no other reason that he had been told other than they were "racist blood mages" (I think the author should have used nationalistic or mage supremist but real world language was creeping in) and there does not seem any real evidence that it was anything other than that as the reason he was hired. Solas would not be involving himself in such a random way unless he did want to involve himself in Tevinter politics and given his goals which were about to come to fruition, why bother?
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