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Post by merane on Sept 20, 2024 20:16:45 GMT
Makes sense that Lucanis lives in the pantry...since he's a snack! Eyyyyy! 😎 I've been pondering about his extra passenger. I think I lack imagination but I can't think of an emotion or virtue that corresponds to you-know-what (I can't put in spoilers on my phone, sorry)
Maybe a spirit of benevolence ? kindness ?
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Post by Liepsnele on Sept 20, 2024 20:43:48 GMT
I wonder if Hawke's comment about Justice being and unwilling participant will ring true in this case.  How would that even work? Spite is witnessing everything Lucanis sees and has mean comments about everything too. And it seems that he is able to speak through Lucanis when he gets really agitated? I hope Spite can be exorcised/turned into a benevolent spirit or worst case merge with Lucanis somehow so they are not two separate entities anymore.
It seems every possession is different. Wynne and Cassandra were possessed by a Faith spirit but they were your average person (or at least acted away) with some crazy additional powers. Anders and Justice warped each other over time. Justice would also come out and speak through Anders when he would get upset or if they disagreed on something. I suppose Spite and Lucanis will interact in a similar manner except for the fact that Spite is much more malicious.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 20, 2024 21:01:18 GMT
Poor Lucanis, he's got his very own Johnny Silverhand
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 20, 2024 21:02:54 GMT
Makes sense that Lucanis lives in the pantry...since he's a snack! Eyyyyy! 😎 I've been pondering about his extra passenger. I think I lack imagination but I can't think of an emotion or virtue that corresponds to you-know-what (I can't put in spoilers on my phone, sorry)
Maybe a spirit of benevolence ? kindness ?
Grace or forgiveness is another one.
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Post by fistoffiori on Sept 20, 2024 21:31:12 GMT
Re Lucanis' unique thing... (may as well put it in a spoiler box just in case) Is Zach Mendez doing Spite's voice too? Must have been fun doing 2 different characters/accents that are meant to be the same person. |
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Post by merane on Sept 20, 2024 21:45:05 GMT
Maybe a spirit of benevolence ? kindness ?
Grace or forgiveness is another one. I really like forgiveness !
One thing I like about Lucanis/Spite is that they managed to give us both a new possession story but one that plays out differently. And the bonus is that it's not a mage again.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 20, 2024 22:18:18 GMT
Grace or forgiveness is another one. I really like forgiveness !
One thing I like about Lucanis/Spite is that they managed to give us both a new possession story but one that plays out differently. And the bonus is that it's not a mage again. Same! I'm getting totally different vibes and am looking forward to this storyline! Something I did not expect after Anders/Justice. 
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 21, 2024 1:44:46 GMT
Oh, shite!  More "The Exorcist" than "Casper The Friendly Ghost". Definitely scarier than Justice. But I'm into it, ngl. Wowza!  I got the chance to watch this video.
One of the Rook options definitely come across as ruthless and utilitarian, so that should be reassuring for the crowd worried Rook can only be heroic. And it's also interesting that they're breaking psychic distance and letting us see Spite as Lucanis sees him, instead of what happened with Anders where we never see Justice outside the Fade. The only other DA game that does something like that is Origins, with the cuts to see what Loghain is doing early on.
And I really like how we have multiple companions involved in the scene, problem solving. It's a nice touch.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 21, 2024 3:26:30 GMT
Re Lucanis' unique thing... (may as well put it in a spoiler box just in case) Is Zach Mendez doing Spite's voice too? Must have been fun doing 2 different characters/accents that are meant to be the same person. I was wondering this too! Mendez seems to be doing a lot in Veilguard so it seems likely, I think it was mentioned he voiced Warden Antoine but it wasn't certain if they'd keep his voice for that. |
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 21, 2024 3:32:58 GMT
So, are we thinking that Magister Zara Renata is responsible for Lucanis' unique condition? His Excess Baggage™️ seems to be more hindrance than helpful and she did allude to his nickname The Demon in The Wigmaker Job when she was having ideas on dealing with Lucanis.
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Post by Felya87 on Sept 21, 2024 7:45:07 GMT
I'm gonna speculate that Lucanis condition is a side effect/punishment gone wrong. I think Zara wanted to just make him a full abomination to control, not different than what the Coripheus's agent did to the gray wardens in Inquisition. Either something went wrong with the ritual, or Lucanis was able to fight back (at least in part) the binding. Maybe a mix of being aware of the ritual done on him, and his magic sensitivity? I hope we don't get the Anders treatment anyway. |
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 21, 2024 7:51:23 GMT
I'm gonna speculate that Lucanis condition is a side effect/punishment gone wrong. I think Zara wanted to just make him a full abomination to control, not different than what the Coripheus's agent did to the gray wardens in Inquisition. Either something went wrong with the ritual, or Lucanis was able to fight back (at least in part) the binding. Maybe a mix of being aware of the ritual done on him, and his magic sensitivity? I hope we don't get the Anders treatment anyway. Well I do know that one of the clips I saw has Lucanis mentioning that they have the vial with his blood through which they can control him, so it has to be destroyed.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2024 7:57:30 GMT
Couple of notes from the content event which I have seen and thus have now been made aware of...and really starting to like what I have seen of the character. During the Siege of Weishaupt and the Eluvian crashing down into the dirt Lucanis was like 'you call that being quiet'. Fairly typical line but Zach's line delivery was just terrific there and hilarious as hell.
I did actually see a clip of that one screen capture with Spite so I am picking up what Ice Quinn was putting down...Spite is actually manifesting inside his head. Nice.
Also seems gervaise was right we are recruting him inside Treviso after all. Also though our contact there is Teia. |
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 21, 2024 8:56:53 GMT
Well… I bring thee some spoilers mixed with a healthy dose of speculation: Remember earlier in this thread, there was a bit of speculation linking Lucanis to an underwater location, because of some earlier concept art + some other stuff that I can’t really remember… I think I even talked about it a little myself, but whatever - well: in that scene in which I’m assuming is part of his personal quest, Lucanis talks about returning to a location called “the Ossuary” - because of something to do with Spite, clearly (he mentions walls and chains also, I have to rewatch).
In a different video, the reviewer talked about a beautiful underwater location called the Ossuary, though she didn’t want to spoil what we’re going there for.
I’m thinking we rescue-recruit Lucanis in this Ossuary place! 😱
Snippet of an interview with Matt Rhodes and Francois Chaput (Art Director and Level Design Director):
”That’s a little harder sometimes, but one example of that that you’ve seen in this demo is the Ossuary level. ‘What have we not done? We’ve not gone underwater.’ and ‘What else have we not done? We’ve not stopped ourselves from building the level’ So we just went for it and it was awesome, I’m really happy with how it turned out.”
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 21, 2024 9:01:33 GMT
Couple of notes from the content event which I have seen and thus have now been made aware of...and really starting to like what I have seen of the character. During the Siege of Weishaupt and the Eluvian crashing down into the dirt Lucanis was like 'you call that being quiet'. Fairly typical line but Zach's line delivery was just terrific there and hilarious as hell.
I did actually see a clip of that one screen capture with Spite so I am picking up what Ice Quinn was putting down...Spite is actually manifesting inside his head. Nice.
Also seems gervaise was right we are recruting him inside Treviso after all. Also though our contact there is Teia. I was disproportionately excited to see Teia in the clips.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 21, 2024 9:03:18 GMT
Well… I bring thee some spoilers mixed with a healthy dose of speculation:  Remember earlier in this thread, there was a bit of speculation linking Lucanis to an underwater location, because of some earlier concept art + some other stuff that I can’t really remember… I think I even talked about it a little myself, but whatever - well: in that scene in which I’m assuming is part of his personal quest, Lucanis talks about returning to a location called “the Ossuary” - because of something to do with Spite, clearly (he mentions walls and chains also, I have to rewatch).
In a different video, the reviewer talked about a beautiful underwater location called The Ossuary, though she didn’t want to spoil what we’re going there for.
I’m thinking we rescue-recruit Lucanis in this Ossuary place! 😱
Spoiler about Lucanis recruiting mission beware I believe the overall plot is Neve says she knows about a good assassin in Treviso.
So you go there and learn that assassin been kidnapped a year ago. People thought he was dead. But grandma Crows knows better.
He's held in the underwater prison where some mage is experimenting on demons and such. I think it was an ancient elven temple that sank.
Either way you free Lucanis.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2024 9:07:15 GMT
Couple of notes from the content event which I have seen and thus have now been made aware of...and really starting to like what I have seen of the character. During the Siege of Weishaupt and the Eluvian crashing down into the dirt Lucanis was like 'you call that being quiet'. Fairly typical line but Zach's line delivery was just terrific there and hilarious as hell.
I did actually see a clip of that one screen capture with Spite so I am picking up what Ice Quinn was putting down...Spite is actually manifesting inside his head. Nice.
Also seems gervaise was right we are recruting him inside Treviso after all. Also though our contact there is Teia. I was disproportionately excited to see Teia in the clips. you and me both. |
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 21, 2024 9:08:12 GMT
Well… I bring thee some spoilers mixed with a healthy dose of speculation: Remember earlier in this thread, there was a bit of speculation linking Lucanis to an underwater location, because of some earlier concept art + some other stuff that I can’t really remember… I think I even talked about it a little myself, but whatever - well: in that scene in which I’m assuming is part of his personal quest, Lucanis talks about returning to a location called “the Ossuary” - because of something to do with Spite, clearly (he mentions walls and chains also, I have to rewatch).
In a different video, the reviewer talked about a beautiful underwater location called the Ossuary, though she didn’t want to spoil what we’re going there for.
I’m thinking we rescue-recruit Lucanis in this Ossuary place! 😱
Snippet of an interview with Matt Rhodes and Francois Chaput (Art Director and Level Design Director):
”That’s a little harder sometimes, but one example of that that you’ve seen in this demo is the Ossuary level. ‘What have we not done? We’ve not gone underwater.’ and ‘What else have we not done? We’ve not stopped ourselves from building the level’ So we just went for it and it was awesome, I’m really happy with how it turned out.”
This is a real spoiler but I'll put in here anyway, so don't open if you really don't want to know but The OutsideXbox video I mentioned elsewhere does confirm we rescue Lucanis and that's a quest in the game.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 21, 2024 9:09:45 GMT
Well… I bring thee some spoilers mixed with a healthy dose of speculation: Remember earlier in this thread, there was a bit of speculation linking Lucanis to an underwater location, because of some earlier concept art + some other stuff that I can’t really remember… I think I even talked about it a little myself, but whatever - well: in that scene in which I’m assuming is part of his personal quest, Lucanis talks about returning to a location called “the Ossuary” - because of something to do with Spite, clearly (he mentions walls and chains also, I have to rewatch).
In a different video, the reviewer talked about a beautiful underwater location called The Ossuary, though she didn’t want to spoil what we’re going there for.
I’m thinking we rescue-recruit Lucanis in this Ossuary place! 😱
Spoiler about Lucanis recruiting mission beware I believe the overall plot is Neve says she knows about a good assassin in Treviso.
So you go there and learn that assassin been kidnapped a year ago. People thought he was dead. But grandma Crows knows better.
He's held in the underwater prison where some mage is experimenting on demons and such. I think it was an ancient elven temple that sank.
Either way you free Lucanis. *Got kidnapped* isn't exactly a mark of skill and expertise though. Reminds me of The Magnificent Seven:
"There's one - look at the scars on his face!"
"The man for us is the one who gave him that face."
"Hey, you learn fast."
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Sept 21, 2024 9:12:03 GMT
Spoiler about Lucanis recruiting mission beware I believe the overall plot is Neve says she knows about a good assassin in Treviso.
So you go there and learn that assassin been kidnapped a year ago. People thought he was dead. But grandma Crows knows better.
He's held in the underwater prison where some mage is experimenting on demons and such. I think it was an ancient elven temple that sank.
Either way you free Lucanis. *Got kidnapped* isn't exactly a mark of skill and expertise though. Reminds me of The Magnificent Seven:
"There's one - look at the scars on his face!"
"The man for us is the one who gave him that face."
"Hey, you learn fast." Yes, but maybe he gets pwned by the clever use of plot device 
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 21, 2024 9:20:05 GMT
Well… I bring thee some spoilers mixed with a healthy dose of speculation: Remember earlier in this thread, there was a bit of speculation linking Lucanis to an underwater location, because of some earlier concept art + some other stuff that I can’t really remember… I think I even talked about it a little myself, but whatever - well: in that scene in which I’m assuming is part of his personal quest, Lucanis talks about returning to a location called “the Ossuary” - because of something to do with Spite, clearly (he mentions walls and chains also, I have to rewatch).
In a different video, the reviewer talked about a beautiful underwater location called The Ossuary, though she didn’t want to spoil what we’re going there for.
I’m thinking we rescue-recruit Lucanis in this Ossuary place! 😱
Spoiler about Lucanis recruiting mission beware I believe the overall plot is Neve says she knows about a good assassin in Treviso.
So you go there and learn that assassin been kidnapped a year ago. People thought he was dead. But grandma Crows knows better.
He's held in the underwater prison where some mage is experimenting on demons and such. I think it was an ancient elven temple that sank.
Either way you free Lucanis. Now that you mention, I remember the sunken elven temple in-game screenshot and a concept art of the Veilguard diving underwater, and both contained like a faint silhouette of a halla figure (IIRC?) in the background, and this being the Internet of course, people caught on that instantly! Oh, nice! Lucanis’ missions sound like they’re gonna be fun! |
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Post by Reznore on Sept 21, 2024 9:59:09 GMT
Big Spoiler beware It sounds like Lucanis might have been betrayed. If memory serves there was some shenanigans about who's going to be the next Crows Queen. And Lucanis was the next heir ? Probably someone sold him out. Reddit is betting on the cousin.  |
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Post by fistoffiori on Sept 21, 2024 10:19:41 GMT
Couple of notes from the content event which I have seen and thus have now been made aware of...and really starting to like what I have seen of the character. During the Siege of Weishaupt and the Eluvian crashing down into the dirt Lucanis was like 'you call that being quiet'. Fairly typical line but Zach's line delivery was just terrific there and hilarious as hell.
I did actually see a clip of that one screen capture with Spite so I am picking up what Ice Quinn was putting down...Spite is actually manifesting inside his head. Nice.
Also seems gervaise was right we are recruting him inside Treviso after all. Also though our contact there is Teia. I was disproportionately excited to see Teia in the clips. Same - expected she'd be around because in the release date trailer I was sure the Antivan Crow it shows for a couple of seconds in a battle was Viago - and thought I saw Teia less clearly behind him too.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 21, 2024 10:38:08 GMT
Big Spoiler beware It sounds like Lucanis might have been betrayed. If memory serves there was some shenanigans about who's going to be the next Crows Queen. And Lucanis was the next heir ? Probably someone sold him out. Reddit is betting on the cousin. Viago!  Really say looking forward to a lot of the agent characters between Viago/ Teia and Antoine and Evka. Also re reading Eight Little Talons right now so getting familiarized with how awesome that pair was.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 21, 2024 14:12:48 GMT
It's really convenient, I agree, not having to dig through 150 different videos.
I think I'm right to choose Lucanis as my first romance even if I'm going to end up with a heart attack before the end Well, look at it this way, it can't possibly be worst than how Solas turned out could it?  I'm torn personally. The sort of antics that Spite is pulling were exactly the reason I pulled back from Anders after his threat against Ella in DA2. I want to give Lucanis some love but that demon is definitely giving me some pause for thought. However, I suppose it depends on what aspects of the relationship Spite feeds on. It could end up a reprise of Fenris and him walking out on you straight after sex, because Spite is messing with his head. Thankfully, given the high stakes in Veilguard I don't think we will have to wait 2 years for a reconciliation. There is also just an outside chance that a supportive friend/lover Rook could actually turn the demon back into something more benign, like pity or empathy. After all Anders claimed it was his negative emotions that twisted Justice into Vengeance, so it would cool if by bringing out positive emotions in Lucanis this would change Spite back into a benign spirit. |
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I'm torn personally. The sort of antics that Spite is pulling were exactly the reason I pulled back from Anders after his threat against Ella in DA2. I want to give Lucanis some love but that demon is definitely giving me some pause for thought. However, I suppose it depends on what aspects of the relationship Spite feeds on. It could end up a reprise of Fenris and him walking out on you straight after sex, because Spite is messing with his head. Thankfully, given the high stakes in Veilguard I don't think we will have to wait 2 years for a reconciliation.