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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 3, 2024 11:45:21 GMT
🤔... What if someone romances Emmrich, and for some reason he can't (yes, I know the man has raised bigger things from the dead, and I'm also not age-shaming him)... perform? So Manfred steps in/up, no pun intended, and that's what the Devs were referring to about players boning a skeleton, potentially? Could be a funny scene, sure, but also kind of effed up. For one, the dead can't give consent. Ask that cute guy from Saltburn. My eyes are still burning. #SayYES2Necromancers #SayNO2Necrophilia It would be a bold move on the dev's part, if nothing else. Honey, after the bear thing went through (again, not a pun) with flying colors, people loving it - nothing surprises me anymore. lol I'm all for a ballsy Dev, tho. Don't wanna discourage anyone. Let your muses guide you, BioWare! By all means, shock the sh*t out of us! xD
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 3, 2024 12:35:19 GMT
Maybe Manfred is his little brother, and Emmrich sacrificed his right arm to bind his brother’s soul to a skeleton. And is now trying to find a way to get their original bodies back. I assume you're thinking about Absolution with this. Pretty sure Hanako was making a Full Metal Alchemist reference. 🤔... What if someone romances Emmrich, and for some reason he can't (yes, I know the man has raised bigger things from the dead, and I'm also not age-shaming him)... perform? So Manfred steps in/up, no pun intended, and that's what the Devs were referring to about players boning a skeleton, potentially? Could be a funny scene, sure, but also kind of effed up. For one, the dead can't give consent. Ask that cute guy from Saltburn. My eyes are still burning. #SayYES2Necromancers #SayNO2Necrophilia Why you gotta put that thought in my head?! There's other ways to pleasure someone without penetration or resorting to questionable consent. The bear situation in BG3 was weird but at least consent was involved.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 3, 2024 13:56:28 GMT
On the topic of blood magic: never liked it. Never took it on any character, with the exception of Merril who was already balls deep into it by the time we met. And Jowan, but unbeknownst to me, so he doesn't count. Necromancers, hell yeah (except for that one dude). Blood mages... hard pass. Yikes! >.< Well if you believe Solas, blood magic is no better or worse than any other type of magic. It is all down to the individual mage. I seem to recall he made some sort of analogy with a dagger; you know, it depends on who is holding it rather than the dagger being inherently immoral. That is true of a lot of magical adjacent stuff too. Take the Seeker ritual. Ameridan said how they discovered by accident what happens to the mage with a failed Seeker ritual. You can see why they might perform it because it makes you immune to possession but the failed one was the origin of the Rite of Tranquility. The Templar Order swore to him that they would never abuse their knowledge of this but then they they obviously did. Cassandra says that the person in the Seeker ritual is effectively made tranquil from which they are recalled by the faith spirit touching their mind, although it didn't involve any marking of the forehead with lyrium as the later Rite did but you can see how they used the knowledge as a starting point. I guess the same is true with a lot of magic, except where the knowledge was specifically handed down from the ancients or found in their writings, Necromancy included.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 3, 2024 22:24:42 GMT
Well if you believe Solas... I don't.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2024 10:15:02 GMT
Neither do I now. Don't trust his word on anything. I think my Rook's relationship with him is going to be prickly to say the least. Mind you I am a bit wary of all our mage companions. Emmrich is apparently a sweety but that doesn't rule out him engaging in some dodgy stuff, whilst I am suspicious about the Veil Jumpers generally and thus Bellara by association. Neve seems okay from what I know of her from Tevinter Nights but her tarot card is a bit suspect. I am probably going to play a mage first run, so I don't really have to rely on any of them if I don't want to. At present I view my most trustworthy potential team to be Davrin, Harding and Rook, closely followed by Davrin, Lucanis and Rook. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that any magic/spirit connections with Lucanis are benign ones and that if I can get him on my side he will be loyal. Taash is something of a wild card at present but she could turn out to be the most dependable of them all.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 4, 2024 11:43:02 GMT
Neither do I now. Don't trust his word on anything. I think my Rook's relationship with him is going to be prickly to say the least. Mind you I am a bit wary of all our mage companions. Emmrich is apparently a sweety but that doesn't rule out him engaging in some dodgy stuff, whilst I am suspicious about the Veil Jumpers generally and thus Bellara by association. Neve seems okay from what I know of her from Tevinter Nights but her tarot card is a bit suspect. I am probably going to play a mage first run, so I don't really have to rely on any of them if I don't want to. At present I view my most trustworthy potential team to be Davrin, Harding and Rook, closely followed by Davrin, Lucanis and Rook. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that any magic/spirit connections with Lucanis are benign ones and that if I can get him on my side he will be loyal. Taash is something of a wild card at present but she could turn out to be the most dependable of them all. Davrin apparently has some secret too.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 4, 2024 14:04:53 GMT
Davrin apparently has some secret too. Really? Where did it say that? Perhaps they all have their own secrets, even Harding. After all, it is eight years since Trespasser. Plenty for her to have experienced in that time. Up to now I thought Davrin was the only exception, so it doesn't really surprise me that he isn't. Of course, with any of them it depends on what that secret might be how shocking it is to us. Perhaps Davrin bonded with Assan without permission. I imagine Emmrich might have any number of secrets bearing in mind his line of work but then that wouldn't be much of a surprise should we discover he has one. It probably does have something to do with Manfred. Incidentally, do you think it is Emmrich in this picture? Clearly, the non-skeletal figure is wearing some sort of creepy mask and ceremonial robes but the arms are similar and he seems to have more than one skeleton assisting him.
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Post by azarhal on Jul 4, 2024 14:29:48 GMT
Davrin apparently has some secret too. Really? Where did it say that? One of the Community Council member mentioned it (that Davrin had a secret, they didn't say what it was). They thought the GI article was going to spoil it, but it did not (so far). Incidentally, do you think it is Emmrich in this picture? Clearly, the non-skeletal figure is wearing some sort of creepy mask and ceremonial robes but the arms are similar and he seems to have more than one skeleton assisting him. It could be any Mortalitasi working in the Grand Necropolis. The place use undead guards and workers. Cassandra mention in a banter in DAI (with Sera I think) that her uncle kept an undead in their living quarters and he was reading books to it.
I'm more interested by the fact that they seems to mummify dragons, which means undead Dragons might be a thing...
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Post by Perovskite on Jul 6, 2024 10:31:58 GMT
Who do you think Emmrich might end up with if we don't romance him? Since he seems to be the romantic sort, I do hope he finds someone else if we don't go for him.
I don't think BW will go for a huge age gap themselves, and Davrin and Bellara look pretty young. Idk how old Lucanis and Neve are but they seem to be past their 20s, so if it's a companion it might be either of them. But I kinda think it will be an NPC we don't know about yet, if anyone. Maybe Johanna, but then again they've already known each other for so long.
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Post by theascendent on Jul 6, 2024 10:50:09 GMT
I am curious why the Mourn Watch has been dispatched outside of the borders of Neverra, especially in such times when the succession is uncertain and we might get another civil war between the Pentaghasts and the Van Markhams. The Veil being disrupted on such a scale will probably have dire ramifications on the legions of undead housing spirits in the Grand Necropolis. No matter how well meaning the Mortalitasi seem, they scream ulterior motive or meddling with forces they know nothing about.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 6, 2024 10:55:44 GMT
I am curious why the Mourn Watch has been dispatched outside of the borders of Neverra, especially in such times when the succession is uncertain and we might get another civil war between the Pentaghasts and the Van Markhams. The Veil being disrupted on such a scale will probably have dire ramifications on the legions of undead housing spirits in the Grand Necropolis. No matter how well meaning the Mortalitasi seem, they scream ulterior motive or meddling with forces they know nothing about. Think a lot of the characters and vibes speak to a lot of them having some sort of ulterior motive at this point. Pretty sus of all of them at this point.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 6, 2024 11:10:31 GMT
It might depend more on the other party members reaction to him and his profession. Bellara seems young in appearance but she could be an ancient elf and thus who knows how old? You don't necessarily stop wanting to make new discoveries when you start to mature in outlook, you just have the wisdom to be more discerning about which you accept and which you do not. Her enthusiasm and inquisitive mind would I think make her attractive to Emmrich, so if this was reciprocated it is not beyond the bounds of possibility they could hook up. As friends, I think they could have hours of fun comparing magical knowledge they have gained and this could then lead to something more intimate.
As for the other three, I am less confident about how they might react to him. Neve could have prejudices against necromancers because of her experiences with them in Tevinter. If she didn't start with these then I suppose it could be a case of opposites attract, because I think she is probably more reserved than Emmrich but we shall see. With Davrin I don't feel it is so much of an age thing as his outlook on life. I wonder whether he would view Manfred as a monster and thus by association Emmrich as well? On the other hand, the Wardens have been historically less picky about the mages they recruit than other organisations, so that might make Davrin more open minded about his aspect of Emmrich. When it comes to Lucanis, I don't want to assume anything until we get to know a bit more about him and what that whole purple wings thing means. If he does have some sort of bond with a spirit, then it may have objections to Emmrich's use of necromancy (after all Cole did) and I have mentioned on the Lucanis thread how he may be rather hard work just befriending him, let alone having a romance, so I'm not sure how much the other companions would want to invest time and effort in doing this. Whilst the Devs said other companions may hook up with each other if we don't, that doesn't necessarily mean they all will.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 6, 2024 11:15:42 GMT
It might depend more on the other party members reaction to him and his profession. Bellara seems young in appearance but she could be an ancient elf and thus who knows how old? You don't necessarily stop wanting to make new discoveries when you start to mature in outlook, you just have the wisdom to be more discerning about which you accept and which you do not. Her enthusiasm and inquisitive mind would I think make her attractive to Emmrich, so if this was reciprocated it is not beyond the bounds of possibility they could hook up. As friends, I think they could have hours of fun comparing magical knowledge they have gained and this could then lead to something more intimate. As for the other three, I am less confident about how they might react to him. Neve could have prejudices against necromancers because of her experiences with them in Tevinter. If she didn't start with these then I suppose it could be a case of opposites attract, because I think she is probably more reserved than Emmrich but we shall see. With Davrin I don't feel it is so much of an age thing as his outlook on life. I wonder whether he would view Manfred as a monster and thus by association Emmrich as well? On the other hand, the Wardens have been historically less picky about the mages they recruit than other organisations, so that might make Davrin more open minded about his aspect of Emmrich. When it comes to Lucanis, I don't want to assume anything until we get to know a bit more about him and what that whole purple wings thing means. If he does have some sort of bond with a spirit, then it may have objections to Emmrich's use of necromancy (after all Cole did) and I have mentioned on the Lucanis thread how he may be rather hard work just befriending him, let alone having a romance, so I'm not sure how much the other companions would want to invest time and effort in doing this. Whilst the Devs said other companions may hook up with each other if we don't, that doesn't necessarily mean they all will. Right now we have Harding and Taash confirmed to have hooked up, or will if we don't hook up with either of them. BioWare seems to like that particular trope. But otherwise I do agree, probably most of the companions won't actually form relationships. Lucanis and Emmrich for instance probably won't. And really...don't know a lot about the other three to really judge.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 6, 2024 11:25:31 GMT
I am curious why the Mourn Watch has been dispatched outside of the borders of Neverra, especially in such times when the succession is uncertain and we might get another civil war between the Pentaghasts and the Van Markhams. The Veil being disrupted on such a scale will probably have dire ramifications on the legions of undead housing spirits in the Grand Necropolis. No matter how well meaning the Mortalitasi seem, they scream ulterior motive or meddling with forces they know nothing about. It could be a follow up to what occurred in Tevinter Nights in the Dread Wolf Take You. A member of the Mortalitassi died at Solas' hands in that meeting, when they were co-operating with the Inquisition in their search for current information on the Dread Wolf. So, in view of what also happened in that ritual she was involved in, plus the aftermath at the meeting, it might make them all the more determined to join the cause against him. After all, at the ritual Fen'Harel did declare " From this moment, should you ever bind a spirit, then your life is mine." Was that threat against just the mages involved in the ritual or the Mortalitassi generally? Then, as you say, his ritual may have disrupted things at the Grand Necropolis, so even more reason for a senior member of the Mourn Watch to want to co-operate with the Inquisition. The screen shots of the Grand Necropolis seem to confirm that at least part of the narrative will take us there. Whether at the request of Emmrich or in order to seek him out remains to be seen. The other reason that Nevarra generally may wish to involve themselves in northern affairs is the threat from the Antaam. This is the reason the Mortalitassi were prepared to engage in the ritual with the Tevinter mage in the first place as they predicted the Antaam would soon have conquered the entire eastern side of Tevinter. In the Missing the Antaam had reached Vyrantium at the southern most point of the Nocen Sea and if they succeeded in conquering that city, they could decide to turn south-west for Nevarra instead of north against the west side of the Imperium, particularly if they did feel threatened by the presence of the Grand Necropolis, so it is entirely possible that the King of Nevarra was prepared to drop their former hostility to Tevinter and make and alliance with them against the Qun, particularly once news reached him that the Antaam had attacked Antiva. So, plenty of reasons for the Mortalitassi and the Mourn Watch to be found in the north. Also, it is quite possible that the leadership are more concerned about the Antaam than they are about Solas, except for Emmrich.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 7, 2024 14:13:30 GMT
Really? Where did it say that? One of the Community Council member mentioned it (that Davrin had a secret, they didn't say what it was). They thought the GI article was going to spoil it, but it did not (so far). Incidentally, do you think it is Emmrich in this picture? Clearly, the non-skeletal figure is wearing some sort of creepy mask and ceremonial robes but the arms are similar and he seems to have more than one skeleton assisting him. It could be any Mortalitasi working in the Grand Necropolis. The place use undead guards and workers. Cassandra mention in a banter in DAI (with Sera I think) that her uncle kept an undead in their living quarters and he was reading books to it.
I'm more interested by the fact that they seems to mummify dragons, which means undead Dragons might be a thing... Wouldn' tb esurprised if we got to ride one a tthis point lik ewhen Riordan rode the Archdemon in the cutscene in Origins.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 7, 2024 14:16:36 GMT
Well if you believe Solas... I don't. After DAI I don' tthink anyon ewill o rat leas tbe slow to
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 8, 2024 5:22:31 GMT
Karin West-Weekes @karinww.bsky.social 23d “Emmrich: Investigate weirdness”
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Post by colfoley on Jul 9, 2024 0:58:36 GMT
After DAI I don' tthink anyon ewill o rat leas tbe slow to I mean the thing is he doesen't exactly lie...of course the biggest liars also use the truth.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 9, 2024 1:03:52 GMT
After DAI I don' tthink anyon ewill o rat leas tbe slow to I mean the thing is he doesen't exactly lie...of course the biggest liars also use the truth. Lies of omission are still lies. It’s why in court you swear to tell the whole truth.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 9, 2024 2:27:16 GMT
Karin West-Weekes @karinww.bsky.social 23d “Emmrich: Investigate weirdness” A+ bug title, @shrl.bsky.social ♥️😂 Malcolm @themalcolmtent.bsky.social👀👀 I feel like I'm about to get an email Karin West-Weekes @karinww.bsky.socialAnd it’s gonna be a FUN one! 😂 I wonder how this compares to the DAI bug where Vivienne was wearing Morrigan's skin. One of the infinite reasons I can't wait for the game to be out is that I can't wait to hear about all of the weirdest, funniest bugs.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 9, 2024 2:50:27 GMT
Karin West-Weekes @karinww.bsky.social 23d “Emmrich: Investigate weirdness” A+ bug title, @shrl.bsky.social ♥️😂 Malcolm @themalcolmtent.bsky.social👀👀 I feel like I'm about to get an email Karin West-Weekes @karinww.bsky.socialAnd it’s gonna be a FUN one! 😂 I wonder how this compares to the DAI bug where Vivienne was wearing Morrigan's skin. One of the infinite reasons I can't wait for the game to be out is that I can't wait to hear about all of the weirdest, funniest bugs. I hope they do a "best bugs" video.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 9, 2024 8:16:07 GMT
I mean the thing is he doesen't exactly lie...of course the biggest liars also use the truth. Yes, it is known as equivocation and opens up a whole can of worms. It is what the Jesuits were infamous for, particularly when operating in England where they were officially outlawed and in constant danger of arrest and torture. The Council of Trent had decreed that lying was always a sin. So, what were they to do when questioned about people who had been sheltering them and to refuse to answer was considered a tacit admission of guilt for the person named? The solution was to equivocate, otherwise known at the art of dissimulation, prevarication and evasion to avoid giving an answer that would either incriminate yourself or other people. When used to protect innocent people, who have done nothing more than offer you shelter, from the full penalty of the law it is justifiable but was open to abuse when used to conceal actual treason as was the case when Father Garnet was questioned subsequent to the gunpowder plot. In the end his story was so convoluted he contradicted and incriminated himself. Part of the skill of effective equivocation (or outright lying for that matter) it consistency. Once you know who Solas is, when you play DAI again you can see his conversations are full of it. He never lies outright but he does evade, deflect, use ambiguity in his answers and only gives as much information as he can safely get away with without being accused of concealment or outright falsehood. By Trespasser he isn't even bothering to pretend as he admits he is only telling you as much as it suits him to. You may have questions but he decides which ones he is prepared to give answers to and admits he is withholding information if you ask him directly "Why this world has to die", because that information might harm his cause. Just as with Father Garnet, this reticence eventually backfired on him so on the face of it his plan did fail once again. Unless, of course, what happens in the prologue to DAV was always his intention.
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