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Post by sloth on Jun 12, 2024 13:36:01 GMT
I do like that she disapproved when Rook told Varric that they "weren't there to talk" to Solas. Maybe we can be friends. ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) I found that interaction curious. Rook endorses the violent approach; Neve disapproves, but Harding approves. Harding obviously doesn't want old man Varric taking excessive risks. That makes sense. But Neve; does she prefer the diplomatic route for moral reasons? Surely she doesn't care about Solas's personal well-being. She has probably never met him before. Does she believe he can be a potential ally against the Venatori? I am interested in her perspective. Also, does this exemplify the team dynamic? Is Rook going to end up having to side with either Harding or Neve on decisions because they usually can't please both of them at the same time? Are the two going to be friendly rivals? maybe she didn't think it would be wise to disrupt the ritual and thought it would be less dangerous to speak to Solas? She does mention something about the danger of the ritual being interrupted before this decision Edit: while I was typing, gervaise said the same thing with better words ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/RebJidSPcxyF0U0Rr0uW.png) that's what I meant
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Post by lk13 on Jun 12, 2024 15:55:43 GMT
But Neve; does she prefer the diplomatic route for moral reasons? Surely she doesn't care about Solas's personal well-being. She has probably never met him before. Does she believe he can be a potential ally against the Venatori? I am interested in her perspective. Being a mage perhaps she realised that killing him mid ritual might not be the best approach. I can't remember but I think toppling the statue was just meant to disrupt the spell, not actually kill Solas, or am I remembering that wrong? Yeah I feel like, knowing the Dragon Age setting, spililng blood during a powerful magic ritual is very dangerous. Maybe especially so if it's Solas' blood.
And yeah, the statues falling was a way to (at least temporarily) interrupt him. At this point early in the game, the team doesn't really have any way to actually stand up to Solas in a fight without getting insta-petrified. They can only attempt diplomacy... but I feel that may change at some point.
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Post by jediguardian on Jun 12, 2024 16:03:35 GMT
I hope player can get short staff like the one she use in prologue. If not, I will swap it from her ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/CeRUIfXurYhaBmWjMBkt.png)
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Post by lk13 on Jun 12, 2024 16:10:40 GMT
I'm obsessing over that shadow on the left of the tarot card. Is it a demon? A magister??? It has got a dragon-looking staff...
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Post by sloth on Jun 12, 2024 16:23:23 GMT
I'm obsessing over that shadow on the left of the tarot card. Is it a demon? A magister??? It has got a dragon-looking staff... could be an Arcane Horror? it looks like one ![](https://i.pinimg.com/236x/8e/cb/a6/8ecba689f3b2fbdf904b3aa45aec29bc.jpg)
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 12, 2024 16:35:37 GMT
Neve seems to be a fine character but i would lying if i wouldn´t prefer Calpernia over her instead.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 12, 2024 17:40:07 GMT
Neve seems to be a fine character but i would lying if i wouldn´t prefer Calpernia over her instead. Calpernia did have an interesting backstory but she did seem to buy into the Venatori ideals originally even if she did want to elevate the slaves as proper citizens in her new world order. Neve is interesting because she seems somewhat cynical about the establishment in Tevinter and wants to see a change in the status quo but not replacing one set of Altus mages with another. I'm really looking forward to hearing her backstory. Also, I like the fact she seems pretty astute when it comes to assessing people and doesn't give up easily if she thinks it is important. She was really tenacious in the Streets of Minrathous story and kept going initially when she could have just taken her fee and left it at that. Then when I discovered she was connected with the Shadow Dragons that raised her status even more with me. However, I think you are probably right and she is a substitute for Calpernia. Perhaps they felt using her wouldn't be appropriate.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Jun 12, 2024 17:53:33 GMT
Calpernia did have an interesting backstory but she did seem to buy into the Venatori ideals originally even if she did want to elevate the slaves as proper citizens in her new world order. Neve is interesting because she seems somewhat cynical about the establishment in Tevinter and wants to see a change in the status quo but not replacing one set of Altus mages with another. I'm really looking forward to hearing her backstory. Also, I like the fact she seems pretty astute when it comes to assessing people and doesn't give up easily if she thinks it is important. She was really tenacious in the Streets of Minrathous story and kept going initially when she could have just taken her fee and left it at that. Then when I discovered she was connected with the Shadow Dragons that raised her status even more with me. However, I think you are probably right and she is a substitute for Calpernia. Perhaps they felt using her wouldn't be appropriate. In short Neve is less radical and therefore less interessting for me. Calpernia has one interessting detail which Neve doesn´t have. As a former villian she wouldn´t work that great with characters like Harding at first. By the way i don´t think that Calpernia has ever saw as true Venatori because as former slave without Corypheus support she won´t survive the hierarchy within the Venatori.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jun 12, 2024 21:41:24 GMT
I see the DA trend of unflattering mage hats has made a comeback... Could be worse, though. We could have gotten the tea cosy ones from the earlier games instead. Neve's hat also has a VEIL *badam-tish* Okay, I better go to bed now.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jun 12, 2024 21:45:23 GMT
Neve seems to be a fine character but i would lying if i wouldn´t prefer Calpernia over her instead. Calpernia did have an interesting backstory but she did seem to buy into the Venatori ideals originally even if she did want to elevate the slaves as proper citizens in her new world order. Neve is interesting because she seems somewhat cynical about the establishment in Tevinter and wants to see a change in the status quo but not replacing one set of Altus mages with another. I'm really looking forward to hearing her backstory. Also, I like the fact she seems pretty astute when it comes to assessing people and doesn't give up easily if she thinks it is important. She was really tenacious in the Streets of Minrathous story and kept going initially when she could have just taken her fee and left it at that. Then when I discovered she was connected with the Shadow Dragons that raised her status even more with me. However, I think you are probably right and she is a substitute for Calpernia. Perhaps they felt using her wouldn't be appropriate. I forget: does Calpernia survive the events of Inquisition regardless of player choices? One explanation for why she isn't in the game would be if she can die, but I sort of have a mental image that she skedaddles even if you fight her. On the other hand, maybe we'll see Calpernia, Maevaris and Dorian else where in game, just not as party members.
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Post by theascendent on Jun 12, 2024 21:56:23 GMT
Is she an Altus or Laetan? She is a Mage but working as a PI means she must have some history in legal matters. I also wonder which Circle of Magi she went to.
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Post by Hrungr on Jun 13, 2024 2:17:38 GMT
Calpernia did have an interesting backstory but she did seem to buy into the Venatori ideals originally even if she did want to elevate the slaves as proper citizens in her new world order. Neve is interesting because she seems somewhat cynical about the establishment in Tevinter and wants to see a change in the status quo but not replacing one set of Altus mages with another. I'm really looking forward to hearing her backstory. Also, I like the fact she seems pretty astute when it comes to assessing people and doesn't give up easily if she thinks it is important. She was really tenacious in the Streets of Minrathous story and kept going initially when she could have just taken her fee and left it at that. Then when I discovered she was connected with the Shadow Dragons that raised her status even more with me. However, I think you are probably right and she is a substitute for Calpernia. Perhaps they felt using her wouldn't be appropriate. I forget: does Calpernia survive the events of Inquisition regardless of player choices? One explanation for why she isn't in the game would be if she can die, but I sort of have a mental image that she skedaddles even if you fight her. On the other hand, maybe we'll see Calpernia, Maevaris and Dorian else where in game, just not as party members. Calpernia does survive, confirmed by the DA Keep. Even if you fight her, she throws herself off a waterwall at the end... but no body. With the Venatori still around, I wouldn't be surprised to see her again. Maybe even with a twist and she's joined the Shadow Dragons.
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jun 13, 2024 6:15:24 GMT
Is she an Altus or Laetan? She is a Mage but working as a PI means she must have some history in legal matters. I also wonder which Circle of Magi she went to. I wonder if the Circles are still active. Depending who becomes Divine in DAI will have implications on what becomes of them. Perhaps in the nine years since Trespasser things have changed drastically.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 13, 2024 6:28:01 GMT
Is she an Altus or Laetan? She is a Mage but working as a PI means she must have some history in legal matters. I also wonder which Circle of Magi she went to. I wonder if the Circles are still active. Depending who becomes Divine in DAI will have implications on what becomes of them. Perhaps in the nine years since Trespasser things have changed drastically. that pretender on the sunburst throne has no business dictating imperial affairs. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png)
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 13, 2024 6:47:44 GMT
With the Venatori still around, I wouldn't be surprised to see her again. Maybe even with a twist and she's joined the Shadow Dragons. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Calpernia turns out to be the leader of the Shadow Dragons, the Viper. So far as I can tell from Tevinter Nights, the anti-slavery faction only came into being after the elimination of Corypheus and several Altus who wished to distance themselves from past association with the Venatori would appear to have supported it, giving helpful financial assistance. In fact it was revealed that the mage Neve had been asked to investigate by his family only joined the Venatori because he thought they were going to end slavery. That sounds like he was recruited by Calpernia. When he discovered the truth, that the majority had no intention of doing so, he tried to get out and ended up being murdered by one of their number. So, it makes sense to me that the anti-slavery faction eventually consolidated into the group known as the Shadow Dragons under the leadership of the Viper and that this could be the code name of Calpernia. Naturally they are absolutely opposed to the Venatori because they know the truth about them. Also, it would explain how the mysterious sponsor of Lucanis knew exactly who to tell him to target. He was specifically hired to go after leading Venatori but the person providing the very generous fee wished to remain anonymous. According to what Illario said, this was not normal practice among the Crows. The standard operatives lower down the line may not know who hired them but the person taking on the contract would. Hardly surprising as they would want to know who to go after if they subsequently betrayed them. Reading through Lucanis' story again, it would seem he was the one who took on the contract personally. It was not something that came from his grandmother. As he put it to Illario: "If someone wants to pay me top coin to kill a bunch of racist blood mages, who have it coming, I'm not going to complain." Or ask questions about who was behind that top coin. Thus, whilst Neve may not be aware of the connection, nor Lucanis himself, I think there is a link between her and Lucanis through the Shadow Dragons.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 13, 2024 6:59:16 GMT
I wonder if the Circles are still active. Depending who becomes Divine in DAI will have implications on what becomes of them. Perhaps in the nine years since Trespasser things have changed drastically. I imagine it will be pretty much academic what is happening down south since the Imperium became independent of them centuries ago. Besides, it seemed likely from the epilogue to Trespasser that one way or another the Circles did return under the rule of Grand Enchanter Vivienne (or Divine Vivienne) and that it was her loyalist faction that gained the upper hand in mage affairs down south. In the majority of endings the College of Enchanters seemed cowed by her and only survived because they enjoyed the protection of Divine Cassandra or Divine Leliana. that pretender on the sunburst throne has no business dictating imperial affairs. Exactly. We are now in a completely different set up. Mages rule in the Imperium and the two leading mages are the Archon and the Imperial Divine. The latter has always enjoyed true political power in his own right but the current Imperial Divine (only called Black by those down south) is a particularly ruthless political schemer and, according to Lambert before Cole killed him, not averse to a bit of blood magic or protecting his blood mage cronies from the laws against its use. It wouldn't surprise me if he was now in cahoots with the Venatori now they no longer have a proclaimed "god" as their leader who would have been a direct challenge to the power of the Imperial Divine. It might explain how they now seem to be operating with impunity within Tevinter itself and people opposing them even seem to get into trouble with the law. By contrast, I imagine he is utterly opposed to the Shadow Dragons and would want to kill or capture their leading members. Probably why the paymaster for Lucanis wished to remain anonymous and why their leader goes under the code name the Viper.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jun 13, 2024 11:26:02 GMT
Neve is my favourite character in Tevinter Nights, I'm so pleased she's a companion! I see the DA trend of unflattering mage hats has made a comeback... Oh, i dunno, it looks like something people would actually wear to say, the Melbourne cup, where as usually the mage hats look like something no one would willingly wear to anywhere. Is she an Altus or Laetan? She is a Mage but working as a PI means she must have some history in legal matters. I also wonder which Circle of Magi she went to. She's Laetan, comes from a family of Tevinter Templars if i remember correctly, part of why she's so cynical about the system probably. With the Venatori still around, I wouldn't be surprised to see her again. Maybe even with a twist and she's joined the Shadow Dragons. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/uYQYVMAupPAfTXFFwWlB.png) To be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if Calpernia turns out to be the leader of the Shadow Dragons, the Viper. So far as I can tell from Tevinter Nights, the anti-slavery faction only came into being after the elimination of Corypheus and several Altus who wished to distance themselves from past association with the Venatori would appear to have supported it, giving helpful financial assistance. In fact it was revealed that the mage Neve had been asked to investigate by his family only joined the Venatori because he thought they were going to end slavery. That sounds like he was recruited by Calpernia. When he discovered the truth, that the majority had no intention of doing so, he tried to get out and ended up being murdered by one of their number. So, it makes sense to me that the anti-slavery faction eventually consolidated into the group known as the Shadow Dragons under the leadership of the Viper and that this could be the code name of Calpernia. Naturally they are absolutely opposed to the Venatori because they know the truth about them. Also, it would explain how the mysterious sponsor of Lucanis knew exactly who to tell him to target. He was specifically hired to go after leading Venatori but the person providing the very generous fee wished to remain anonymous. According to what Illario said, this was not normal practice among the Crows. The standard operatives lower down the line may not know who hired them but the person taking on the contract would. Hardly surprising as they would want to know who to go after if they subsequently betrayed them. Reading through Lucanis' story again, it would seem he was the one who took on the contract personally. It was not something that came from his grandmother. As he put it to Illario: "If someone wants to pay me top coin to kill a bunch of racist blood mages, who have it coming, I'm not going to complain." Or ask questions about who was behind that top coin. Thus, whilst Neve may not be aware of the connection, nor Lucanis himself, I think there is a link between her and Lucanis through the Shadow Dragons. This is my thinking aswell, even if she's not the leader, the shadow dragons are where i most expect to find her and the venatori ex slaves that remain loyal to her.
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Post by sloth on Jun 13, 2024 12:25:31 GMT
can someone explain what exactly they meant by "cynic"?
in my language, the word "cynic" translates to something that often means as a bad trait
considering Neve's personality, does it mean something like "sarcastic"?
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I must be some kind of weirdo in that I actually like her outfit.
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Post by ergates on Jun 13, 2024 13:00:20 GMT
can someone explain what exactly they meant by "cynic"? in my language, the word "cynic" translates to something that often means as a bad trait considering Neve's personality, does it mean something like "sarcastic"? Cynic - to hold a cynical outlook. You believe that most people are motivated by self interest, and that nobody does any kind of kindness without expecting something in return. You're skeptical about how others think the world works, and are assuming that ulterior or darker motives are at play.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Jun 13, 2024 13:00:52 GMT
can someone explain what exactly they meant by "cynic"? in my language, the word "cynic" translates to something that often means as a bad trait considering Neve's personality, does it mean something like "sarcastic"? I take it to mean that she is mistrustful, which isn't necessarily a bad trait. She's not going to accept things at face value. But I can also see her being sarcastic.
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Post by sloth on Jun 13, 2024 13:05:55 GMT
can someone explain what exactly they meant by "cynic"? in my language, the word "cynic" translates to something that often means as a bad trait considering Neve's personality, does it mean something like "sarcastic"? Cynic - to hold a cynical outlook. You believe that most people are motivated by self interest, and that nobody does any kind of kindness without expecting something in return. You're skeptical about how others think the world works, and are assuming that ulterior or darker motives are at play. thank you! yep, "cynic" in my language means something different, indeed to use in an example, in my country we often say that, when someone is "acting as he was a good person right after doing something bad", he is being "cynic"
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Post by RelevantRevenant on Jun 13, 2024 13:32:26 GMT
I must be some kind of weirdo in that I actually like her outfit. I like her outfit too. But I'm not sure about the prostethic leg. Unless it can be cleverly disguised, she has a hard time going undercover or hiding her identity.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Jun 13, 2024 13:36:39 GMT
I also like her outfit. To me, it has noir film vibes. Particularly, the hat with the veil. I could see her exchanging tense quips with Humphrey Bogart.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 13, 2024 13:38:04 GMT
I must be some kind of weirdo in that I actually like her outfit. I like it too.
And while people are acting like the hat is outlandish, it's just a cocktail hat (style that dates back to the 20s and still in use by the British Royal family ladies).
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