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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 13, 2024 14:52:47 GMT
Compared with Vivienne her choice of head wear is quite tame. It is stylish and sophisticated as befits her as a mage in Tevinter who has class but doesn't run with the elite establishment. Mind you her early concept art, which I assume was meant to be her, had a more "traditional" style witches hat type design with a difference, which I rather liked, but they clearly wanted something more original and distinctive. May be that was meant to be someone else since they don't have the prosthetic leg and the outfit is completely different too. ![](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SByEZxx8pRmHJxNbtCCmzb-1200-80.jpg)
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Post by Little Bengel on Jun 17, 2024 20:57:49 GMT
Compared with Vivienne her choice of head wear is quite tame. It is stylish and sophisticated as befits her as a mage in Tevinter who has class but doesn't run with the elite establishment. Mind you her early concept art, which I assume was meant to be her, had a more "traditional" style witches hat type design with a difference, which I rather liked, but they clearly wanted something more original and distinctive. May be that was meant to be someone else since they don't have the prosthetic leg and the outfit is completely different too. ![](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SByEZxx8pRmHJxNbtCCmzb-1200-80.jpg) It's plausible that this could also be concept art for some kind of Venatori character. Her clothes share the same color scheme with those of the Venatori cultists in the gameplay reveal.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 17, 2024 21:08:47 GMT
More I think more I think those were the concept arts for our Rooks. Afterall that does not look like Neve and then Crow lady.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jun 17, 2024 21:51:18 GMT
Compared with Vivienne her choice of head wear is quite tame. It is stylish and sophisticated as befits her as a mage in Tevinter who has class but doesn't run with the elite establishment. Mind you her early concept art, which I assume was meant to be her, had a more "traditional" style witches hat type design with a difference, which I rather liked, but they clearly wanted something more original and distinctive. May be that was meant to be someone else since they don't have the prosthetic leg and the outfit is completely different too. ![](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/SByEZxx8pRmHJxNbtCCmzb-1200-80.jpg) It's plausible that this could also be concept art for some kind of Venatori character. Her clothes share the same color scheme with those of the Venatori cultists in the gameplay reveal. It's giving "witch" in a traditional sense, but elevated, stylish and even sophisticated, befitting of a Tevinter mage and the world of DA.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jun 17, 2024 21:54:51 GMT
On a different note: so, Neve is the "Ice Mage" of the group. Do we know if that's a definitive thing, ex: could we respec or steer her more towards fire, or healing, for instance?
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Post by midnight tea on Jun 17, 2024 22:08:50 GMT
On a different note: so, Neve is the "Ice Mage" of the group. Do we know if that's a definitive thing, ex: could we respec or steer her more towards fire, or healing, for instance? AFAIK each character has a personal skill tree - whether Neve can have more than ice spells remains to be seen, but I don't think we'd be able to re-spec her to not be predominantly an ice mage.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 17, 2024 22:15:26 GMT
On a different note: so, Neve is the "Ice Mage" of the group. Do we know if that's a definitive thing, ex: could we respec or steer her more towards fire, or healing, for instance? The answer is not really. From a preview last week. Busche: So each follower, each companion has five core abilities. There are decisions you can make along the way that add mechanical changes to each ability.
Now, going back to your question - Neve and Bellara are both Mages, so they share two core Mage abilities between each other, right? However, the other three are class or character-unique. Neve is an ice mage, Bellara is not - so Neve is going to have ice-specific abilities that are unique to her.
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Post by eaglepursuit on Jun 17, 2024 22:15:57 GMT
They said Neve is the only ice mage, so that's certainly her personal spec. But they also said that companions also have access to core class abilities. So, if heal spells are a core mage ability - and it sounds like they are - then Neve should be able to cast them.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jun 17, 2024 23:10:21 GMT
So perhaps her Specialization is Elemental(Ice)-focused, and her tree is unique, but she has access to other spells that are common to all mages. Or it's all Ice beyond those two initial abilities? Sounds a little limiting. But then again, if they're following a Mass Effect kind of style, companions (in ME, squadmates) have a limited number of abilities/powers, compared to Shepard or Ryder. And we can't control them either.
Well. I hope we get more on Spells/Abilities soon.
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Post by azarhal on Jun 17, 2024 23:34:22 GMT
So perhaps her Specialization is Elemental(Ice)-focused, and her tree is unique, but she has access to other spells that are common to all mages. Or it's all Ice beyond those two initial abilities? Sounds a little limiting. But then again, if they're following a Mass Effect kind of style, companions (in ME, squadmates) have a limited number of abilities/powers, compared to Shepard or Ryder. And we can't control them either. Well. I hope we get more on Spells/Abilities soon. They have 5 abilities it didn't seems to be a random example from the game director:
RPG Site: And how about the party members?
Busche: They all have unique skill trees, too. Now, those ones – we don’t want to overwhelm the players. So their skill trees are organized around their individual abilities. So when you unlock their full suite of abilities, each one has a skill tree full of choices where you can get autonomous usage, or lower the cooldowns, or add additional effects to the ability.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jun 17, 2024 23:34:57 GMT
So perhaps her Specialization is Elemental(Ice)-focused, and her tree is unique, but she has access to other spells that are common to all mages. Or it's all Ice beyond those two initial abilities? Sounds a little limiting. But then again, if they're following a Mass Effect kind of style, companions (in ME, squadmates) have a limited number of abilities/powers, compared to Shepard or Ryder. And we can't control them either. Well. I hope we get more on Spells/Abilities soon. I imagine it’s like DA2, where there are basic skill trees that everyone in that class have access to, but then they have one tree that’s unique only to them. Like how Merrill is the only one able to use Dalish magic.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jun 18, 2024 7:31:03 GMT
That's the way I see it. They rolled it back a little with DAI but Solas started off as an ice/spirit mage, whilst Dorian started as more of a fire mage. It would seem that they decided to revert to the DA2 system since it wasn't just the specialism where Merrill was different to Anders or Bethany. Merrill: Elemental, primal, spirit, arcane, entropy (no healing spells) Anders: Elemental, primal, spirit, arcane, creation (no entropic spells) Bethany: Elemental, spirit, creation, entropy (no earth based or lightning spells)
The only person who had access to all these mage schools was Hawke. May be they decided to mix it up a little this game so a companion who specialises in ice cannot do fire (sort of logical really and they are complete opposites) but Neve may be able to do some primal magic. Since Dorian was a necromancer who started with fire spells, perhaps Emmrich will be the same but will only be able to do fire based ones, although of course his main spell school is likely to be spirit based. Bellara may have a focus on spirit magic or possibly primal.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jun 18, 2024 7:57:01 GMT
Yeah, but (until we learn more) it does feel like kind of a step back. Calpernia was a "Fire Mage", too, and maybe that's something she's specialized in or prefers, but I doubt that's all she could do. For one, enemies have different elemental resistances.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 18, 2024 9:41:12 GMT
So perhaps her Specialization is Elemental(Ice)-focused, and her tree is unique, but she has access to other spells that are common to all mages. Or it's all Ice beyond those two initial abilities? Sounds a little limiting. But then again, if they're following a Mass Effect kind of style, companions (in ME, squadmates) have a limited number of abilities/powers, compared to Shepard or Ryder. And we can't control them either. Well. I hope we get more on Spells/Abilities soon. They have 5 abilities it didn't seems to be a random example from the game director:
RPG Site: And how about the party members?
Busche: They all have unique skill trees, too. Now, those ones – we don’t want to overwhelm the players. So their skill trees are organized around their individual abilities. So when you unlock their full suite of abilities, each one has a skill tree full of choices where you can get autonomous usage, or lower the cooldowns, or add additional effects to the ability.
So the final Fantasy skill tree is only for our HC. That is sad.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 18, 2024 11:37:20 GMT
They have 5 abilities it didn't seems to be a random example from the game director:
RPG Site: And how about the party members?
Busche: They all have unique skill trees, too. Now, those ones – we don’t want to overwhelm the players. So their skill trees are organized around their individual abilities. So when you unlock their full suite of abilities, each one has a skill tree full of choices where you can get autonomous usage, or lower the cooldowns, or add additional effects to the ability.
So the final Fantasy skill tree is only for our HC. That is sad. Might be a lot to keep track of though if we had the same system for companions? Just musing.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2024 11:38:39 GMT
I hope that if they take anything from FF its actually good. I get really worried every time I hear they might be taking its levelling system. Oof.
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Post by sloth on Jun 18, 2024 11:44:24 GMT
They said Neve is the only ice mage, so that's certainly her personal spec. But they also said that companions also have access to core class abilities. So, if heal spells are a core mage ability - and it sounds like they are - then Neve should be able to cast them. I think so too, yeah basically, they showed something related to ice in everything that Neve appeared, so that must be her personal spec and just noticed recently: in my language, "Neve" means "Snow", so... that's cool
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 18, 2024 11:58:20 GMT
So the final Fantasy skill tree is only for our HC. That is sad. Might be a lot to keep track of though if we had the same system for companions? Just musing. That what i love in Final fantasy X, where they where so far away from each other and the builds where very clear. As opposed to Final Fantasy XII, where it is all a pretty mess. At least that was what i feel while playing both games.
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 18, 2024 12:00:42 GMT
They said Neve is the only ice mage, so that's certainly her personal spec. But they also said that companions also have access to core class abilities. So, if heal spells are a core mage ability - and it sounds like they are - then Neve should be able to cast them. I think so too, yeah basically, they showed something related to ice in everything that Neve appeared, so that must be her personal spec and just noticed recently: in my language, "Neve" means "Snow", so... that's cool But i want play as Ice mage as well. Does that mean elementary mage is only fire, earth, storm and water? I take water then.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 18, 2024 12:03:37 GMT
Might be a lot to keep track of though if we had the same system for companions? Just musing. That what i love in Final fantasy X, where they where so far away from each other and the builds where very clear. As opposed to Final Fantasy XII, where it is all a pretty mess. At least that was what i feel while playing both games. Where should I jump in if I wanted to attempt the Final Fantasy series?
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 18, 2024 12:05:15 GMT
That what i love in Final fantasy X, where they where so far away from each other and the builds where very clear. As opposed to Final Fantasy XII, where it is all a pretty mess. At least that was what i feel while playing both games. Where should I jump in if I wanted to attempt the Final Fantasy series? Do you like action or tactical combat? If tactical start wit Final Fantasy VII. But please not the remake. If action Final Fantasy XII is a good game, only the skill system isn't really the best. I haven't played anything after that.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 18, 2024 12:06:05 GMT
That what i love in Final fantasy X, where they where so far away from each other and the builds where very clear. As opposed to Final Fantasy XII, where it is all a pretty mess. At least that was what i feel while playing both games. Where should I jump in if I wanted to attempt the Final Fantasy series? God you go from Pike to the Fourth Doctor. SOmehow fitting.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 18, 2024 12:12:51 GMT
Where should I jump in if I wanted to attempt the Final Fantasy series? Do you like action or tactical combat? I can do both but I was toying with either 10 or 12 because Corinne Busche said they borrowed from both for this Veilguard. I guess I prefer tactical but I am not hard set on either. Where should I jump in if I wanted to attempt the Final Fantasy series? God you go from Pike to the Fourth Doctor. SOmehow fitting. Child of the 70s, lol. I am more a Doctor Who guy. Tom Baker was my Doctor as The Robot was the first serial I ever saw on PBS way back when (1978). Of the more modern Doctors I like Tennant a lot and Matt Smith. Also liking the new guy, Gatwa, as well. Did not care for the Moffat era as much as the writing fell off (opinion) from Russell T. Davies so glad Davies is back as showrunner!
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Post by fairdragon on Jun 18, 2024 12:17:24 GMT
Do you like action or tactical combat? I can do both but I was toying with either 10 or 12 because Corinne Busche said they borrowed from both for this Veilguard. I guess I prefer tactical but I am not hard set on either. God you go from Pike to the Fourth Doctor. SOmehow fitting. Child of the 70s, lol. I am more a Doctor Who guy. Tom Baker was my Doctor as The Robot was the first serial I ever saw on PBS way back when (1978). Of the more modern Doctors I like Tennant a lot and Matt Smith. Also liking the new guy, Gatwa, as well. Did not care for the Moffat era as much as the writing fell off (opinion) from Russell T. Davies so glad Davies is back as showrunner! 10 is the way better game. I played 7, 10, 12. 10 is my favorite. So buy the remaster package X and X2. Such a good story.
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Post by The Loyal Nub on Jun 18, 2024 12:24:13 GMT
I can do both but I was toying with either 10 or 12 because Corinne Busche said they borrowed from both for this Veilguard. I guess I prefer tactical but I am not hard set on either. Child of the 70s, lol. I am more a Doctor Who guy. Tom Baker was my Doctor as The Robot was the first serial I ever saw on PBS way back when (1978). Of the more modern Doctors I like Tennant a lot and Matt Smith. Also liking the new guy, Gatwa, as well. Did not care for the Moffat era as much as the writing fell off (opinion) from Russell T. Davies so glad Davies is back as showrunner! 10 is the way better game. I played 7, 10, 12. 10 is my favorite. So buy the remaster package X and X2. Such a good story. Ok definitely on my get list! Thanks!
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