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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 6, 2016 3:28:37 GMT
Um, what is QEC? The more appropriate question is, what story purpose is served by having us call home to the Milky Way? How does that drive the Andromeda plot forward -- the plot about finding a new home for everyone in Andromeda? That plot isn't served by calling our old home, in my opinion. It isn't necessarily hurt, though it could be. It just isn't helped in any way. It would be needless clutter, and the first thing to hit the cutting room floor. I agree. Anyone getting on an Ark is flipping the finger to the Milky Way. It's got to be a one-way ticket. Even if communication was possible, with the Reaper threat imminent, information exchange is too risky. Why let them know where you are going? Or risk the Reapers uploading a virus to your Ark and blowing it to kingdom come? So, it's a one-way ticket and everyone on the Arks are expendable, by definition. But by the same token, they are also the purest form of colonists. This is not traditional colonialism, where the mother country gets the cream of the crop, so to speak. This is more of a biological imperative colony. Open a new niche, survive, reproduce, conquer. That could be an interesting narrative hook right there. Some small fraction of the crew understands this and rejects the core mission of exploration. It's conquest, and top dog gets to rule the new galaxy. Internal conflict galore!
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Post by xassantex on Nov 6, 2016 3:32:45 GMT
no matter the secrecy...we'll learn that Remnants are all indoctrinated. They look like flying Keepers .
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Post by melbella on Nov 6, 2016 3:49:34 GMT
Or, even more likely, they just ignore the Reapers altogether. The Reapers weren't always a known threat. There is plenty of timeline in which to work that is Reaper-free. I'd use that time, were I writing this story. I'd ignore them and never bring them into this story at all. That would feel forced though. A news as big as galaxy-spanning megawar would be huge for Andromeda colonists or at least the government, even if it happened centirues ago and was delt with. To have no one mention it would be just obvious sidetracking. It makes no sense to me to even have an Andromeda Initiative if the Reapers aren't known about yet. If no one knows about the Reapers, what is the motivation of finding humanity a new home? Would they really be that concerned about the Batarians? Quantum entanglement communicator
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 6, 2016 6:19:09 GMT
There's a big difference between moving far away, which people do on a daily basis, and having zero contact with the "roots". Also, Asari & Krogan 1000 years lifespan says hi. And for every 10 people who will not care about "calling home", there will inevitably happen to be someone who cracks down and wants to go back or at the very least goes obsessed with what was left behind. That's how it works when you ship a lot of people somewhere, different things happen and they react differently, regardless of prior training and conviction to leave. We're not talking a mission with 5 carefully selected austronauts who know they will return 3 months later and can call home anyday. No it doesn't drive the plot forward, but the issue of roots is always an integral part of any expedition. Humans ain't robots who can switch on a flip to be 100% solely focused on forward. It would siply be realistic to raise Milky Way questions because it would happen in a situation like this, at least to a certain degree with some section of the colonists/people involved in the project. Do we want a plausible setting or one that circles around obvious topics just not to tickle bad memories of ME3 ending drama? It seems we are speaking past one another. You and I are approaching this from entirely different angles, still. I am speaking as a (theoretical) Lead Writer/Creative Director, working on the game's plot, avoiding material we have collectively agreed non grata (ME3 endings controversy), and trimming needless fat from the game. You've been approaching it from an in-game viewpoint, getting into the heads of the thousands of NPCs, feeling like they'd want to call home; even if it's not exactly home as they knew it. Its almost like we're both writing the game, just working on different parts. If I were Lead Writer/CD, I'd theoretically cut any stuff tied to the Milky Way, for all the reasons I've already explained, and you'd be pissed and think I was an idiot for doing it. We'd move on and make more cool games. You think including details about 29C Milky Way in some fashion, as well as some history like the Reaper War, would enrich the plot. I think it's risky to include with limited payoff, and should probably be avoided as either minutiae or sideshow distractions. (They could totally blow me away, though, with a well written idea that includes it all.) I don't think either of us will be quick to change our respective opinion on this, but it's been fun talking about it. Whatever the real professional writers choose to include, I hope it sets a new standard for storytelling in this IP.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 6, 2016 6:20:21 GMT
no matter the secrecy...we'll learn that Remnants are all indoctrinated. They look like flying Keepers . This made me laugh. The emoticon sealed the deal.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 6, 2016 6:25:49 GMT
That would feel forced though. A news as big as galaxy-spanning megawar would be huge for Andromeda colonists or at least the government, even if it happened centirues ago and was delt with. To have no one mention it would be just obvious sidetracking. It makes no sense to me to even have an Andromeda Initiative if the Reapers aren't known about yet. If no one knows about the Reapers, what is the motivation of finding humanity a new home? Would they really be that concerned about the Batarians? You know why we're going to Andromeda: because of the ME3 endings. I wouldn't try to force a perfect "in-game" reason or explanation onto everything. This Ai is too big a fork in the road, years after the trilogy is set in stone, to allow for a perfectly smooth transition. Why have the Ai? They've been driving home the "Exploration isn't an option. It's an imperative," type of lingo. I think that's going to be it. Yes, it's a pill to swallow, but at least it's a fresh start. The Reapers are dead and gone. Let's let them stay that way. Edit: Sorry, PapaCharlie9 . I tried to just quote melbella, but you are not so easily expunged.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 6, 2016 6:33:45 GMT
Um, what is QEC? The more appropriate question is, what story purpose is served by having us call home to the Milky Way? How does that drive the Andromeda plot forward -- the plot about finding a new home for everyone in Andromeda? That plot isn't served by calling our old home, in my opinion. It isn't necessarily hurt, though it could be. It just isn't helped in any way. It would be needless clutter, and the first thing to hit the cutting room floor. I agree. Anyone getting on an Ark is flipping the finger to the Milky Way. It's got to be a one-way ticket. I hope our reaction to the trip isn't limited to just that. I figure many people would have many different feelings on the matter.
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Post by meplayer on Nov 6, 2016 6:39:37 GMT
I think it takes place way before mass effect 1 may be 5 or 10 years after the first contact war similar to the time period as star trek enterprises...All I know is Bioware is trying to avoid the mass effect trilogy history as much as possible... by making Mass Effect: Andromeda's timeline way before ME1 and by the time they get to Andromeda it will be way past mass effect 3 timeline... we will see in 1 more days it's interesting, to say the least.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 6, 2016 7:12:44 GMT
Um, what is QEC? I agree. Anyone getting on an Ark is flipping the finger to the Milky Way. It's got to be a one-way ticket. I hope our reaction to the trip isn't limited to just that. I figure many people would have many different feelings on the matter. Waking up from a 600 year nap would be "interesting", to understate things, as would moving to a new galaxy. This is definitely something that could be explored via dialogue, both PC/NPC, as well as NPC-only conversations. I really hope MEA takes what DAI did well, in this regard, and improves it even more. We'll see. I'm keeping expectations in check.
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Post by dagless on Nov 6, 2016 9:29:55 GMT
You think including details about 29C Milky Way in some fashion, as well as some history like the Reaper War, would enrich the plot. I think it's risky to include with limited payoff, and should probably be avoided as either minutiae or sideshow distractions. (They could totally blow me away, though, with a well written idea that includes it all.) I don't think either of us will be quick to change our respective opinion on this, but it's been fun talking about it. Whatever the real professional writers choose to include, I hope it sets a new standard for storytelling in this IP. Details about the Milky Way are unavoidable if you want actual characters in the game. Half the conversations you have in role playing games is about characters' history and motivations. The alternative is crew conversations like this: "So tell me about yourself" "I woke up 4 days ago in pod 4367, and I am chief navigation officer for the AI" "I should go" Imagine if Wrex didn't care about or even mention the Genophage, or his run in with his father. He would just be a mussel squadmate who charges into enemy lines. Later he become the clan leader who cares more about uniting the Krogan and rebuilding than any of the others, just because. Even minor characters like Ken and Gabby tell us a bit about their history. The same would happen with characters on the Ark if we don't find out the backstories that lead them to joining the initiative in the first place. They'd just be cardboard cutouts in the shape of the various races. Actually, if we are taking the Krogan along to colonise a new galaxy, it seems important to know if they are infected with the genophage (and likely unable to sustain a population) or cured (where numbers are likely to spiral out of control). Either way presents a bit of a problem that IMO should be explained, instead of just having them there because they're pretty cool. However past events need to be worked into the story so it stays relevant and doesn't distract too much from the new Andromeda stuff. It should be quite challenging to get the balance right.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 6, 2016 12:29:46 GMT
You think including details about 29C Milky Way in some fashion, as well as some history like the Reaper War, would enrich the plot. I think it's risky to include with limited payoff, and should probably be avoided as either minutiae or sideshow distractions. (They could totally blow me away, though, with a well written idea that includes it all.) I don't think either of us will be quick to change our respective opinion on this, but it's been fun talking about it. Whatever the real professional writers choose to include, I hope it sets a new standard for storytelling in this IP. Actually, if we are taking the Krogan along to colonise a new galaxy, it seems important to know if they are infected with the genophage (and likely unable to sustain a population) or cured (where numbers are likely to spiral out of control). Either way presents a bit of a problem that IMO should be explained, instead of just having them there because they're pretty cool. Well, If I were a writer I'd turn them into tank-breeded species, that would solve both extinction and overpopulation problems, but I guess BW will come up with something else.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 6, 2016 15:57:04 GMT
You think including details about 29C Milky Way in some fashion, as well as some history like the Reaper War, would enrich the plot. I think it's risky to include with limited payoff, and should probably be avoided as either minutiae or sideshow distractions. (They could totally blow me away, though, with a well written idea that includes it all.) I don't think either of us will be quick to change our respective opinion on this, but it's been fun talking about it. Whatever the real professional writers choose to include, I hope it sets a new standard for storytelling in this IP. Details about the Milky Way are unavoidable if you want actual characters in the game. Half the conversations you have in role playing games is about characters' history and motivations. The alternative is crew conversations like this: "So tell me about yourself" "I woke up 4 days ago in pod 4367, and I am chief navigation officer for the AI" "I should go" Imagine if Wrex didn't care about or even mention the Genophage, or his run in with his father. He would just be a mussel squadmate who charges into enemy lines. Later he become the clan leader who cares more about uniting the Krogan and rebuilding than any of the others, just because. Even minor characters like Ken and Gabby tell us a bit about their history. The same would happen with characters on the Ark if we don't find out the backstories that lead them to joining the initiative in the first place. They'd just be cardboard cutouts in the shape of the various races. Actually, if we are taking the Krogan along to colonise a new galaxy, it seems important to know if they are infected with the genophage (and likely unable to sustain a population) or cured (where numbers are likely to spiral out of control). Either way presents a bit of a problem that IMO should be explained, instead of just having them there because they're pretty cool. However past events need to be worked into the story so it stays relevant and doesn't distract too much from the new Andromeda stuff. It should be quite challenging to get the balance right. You've taken this entirely beyond the context of the conversation we were actually having. I don't disagree with anything you've said, but in no way is my original thought represented or addressed by what you've said above. I never suggested "ignoring the past", essentially creating a new IP; nor did I ever suggest writing characters without character. I suggested, "Maybe it would be best to avoid the Reapers, and needless to involve the Milky Way once we are in Andromeda." (I explained why, if you read my posts.) I've pretty much said my piece about it. I could elaborate further, if we're just having fun; but I don't feel like debating it or getting people all ruffled about it as if it's important or even "factually debatable". (We've just been spitballing ideas, after all. We aren't dealing in facts.) I'm far more interested in seeing what the actual writers have chosen to do than in spinning my own theories, at this point. It isn't June, anymore. N7 Day is tomorrow.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 6, 2016 16:06:44 GMT
Its all a dream. At the end of MEA, Shepard takes the breath and says, What the heck dream was that? hahaha. glorious
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Post by shechinah on Nov 6, 2016 16:08:51 GMT
Its all a dream. At the end of MEA, Shepard takes the breath and says, What the heck dream was that? hahaha. glorious and then turns to loving wife, Liara, and tells her and their asari children all about it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 16:15:44 GMT
Its all a dream. At the end of MEA, Shepard takes the breath and says, What the heck dream was that? hahaha. glorious and then turns to loving wife, Liara, and tells her and their asari children all about it. Almost, but not quite ...
Liara wakes up, the sun shining in the bedroom window of her Thessian villa ...
Hears the shower running, concerned, because the kids are asleep the rooms next door ...
She rises, goes to the shower, sees a familiar, yet impossible silhouette ...
Opens the shower door, Shepard turns to her, smiles and says, "good morning dear, sleep well?"
*Fade to Black*
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Post by dalinne on Nov 6, 2016 16:53:48 GMT
and then turns to loving wife, Liara, and tells her and their asari children all about it. Almost, but not quite ...
Liara wakes up, the sun shining in the bedroom window of her Thessian villa ...
Hears the shower running, concerned, because the kids are asleep the rooms next door ...
She rises, goes to the shower, sees a familiar, yet impossible silhouette ...
Opens the shower door, Shepard turns to her, smiles and says, "good morning dear, sleep well?"
Then themikefest wakes up for real, looks at his Cerberus insignia on the wall, his Terra Firma Manifesto on his deck, and sighs out of relief because all that alien love BS was just a nightmare. Then in Andromeda his Ryder falls for an alien and Andromeda explodes.
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Post by ddraigcoch123 on Nov 6, 2016 17:04:09 GMT
lol Someone should totally do a 'Dallas style showerscene' in comic form
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Post by themikefest on Nov 6, 2016 17:04:16 GMT
Its all a dream. At the end of MEA, Shepard takes the breath and says, What the heck dream was that? hahaha. glorious and then turns to loving wife, Liara, and tells her and their asari children all about it. After your Shepard finishes with the story, the asorry children tell Shepard that smurfette mom is teaching them how to take armor from dead bodies
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Post by themikefest on Nov 6, 2016 17:07:39 GMT
Then themikefest wakes up for real, looks at his Cerberus insignia on the wall, his Terra Firma Manifesto on his deck, and sighs out of relief because all that alien love BS was just a nightmare. Ha. No falling for an alien. Only an alien falling off a cliff
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Post by dalinne on Nov 6, 2016 17:21:16 GMT
Then themikefest wakes up for real, looks at his Cerberus insignia on the wall, his Terra Firma Manifesto on his deck, and sighs out of relief because all that alien love BS was just a nightmare. Ha. No falling for an alien. Only an alien falling off a cliff Well, ACTUALLY... ... the only being we have seen falling off a cliff is a HUMAN
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Post by themikefest on Nov 6, 2016 17:30:19 GMT
Well, ACTUALLY... ... the only being we have seen falling off a cliff is a HUMAN Falling? Looks more like being dropped off a cliff
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2016 17:38:15 GMT
Hey, RyDad is just trying to learn the lessons from "Frozen" ... and maybe some others ... *What'd you do with Sully?*
*I let him go*
And then, there's this ...
Shepard wakes up, the sun shining in the bedroom window of her Intai'sei villa ...
Hears the shower running, concerned, because the kids are asleep in the rooms next door ...
She rises, goes to the shower, sees a familiar, yet impossible male silhouette ...
Opens the shower door, Shepard turns to her, smiles and says, "good morning dear, sleep well?"
*Fades to Black*
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Post by melbella on Nov 6, 2016 18:05:30 GMT
It makes no sense to me to even have an Andromeda Initiative if the Reapers aren't known about yet. If no one knows about the Reapers, what is the motivation of finding humanity a new home? Would they really be that concerned about the Batarians? You know why we're going to Andromeda: because of the ME3 endings. I wouldn't try to force a perfect "in-game" reason or explanation onto everything. This Ai is too big a fork in the road, years after the trilogy is set in stone, to allow for a perfectly smooth transition. Why have the Ai? They've been driving home the "Exploration isn't an option. It's an imperative," type of lingo. I think that's going to be it. Yes, it's a pill to swallow, but at least it's a fresh start. The Reapers are dead and gone. Let's let them stay that way. Edit: Sorry, PapaCharlie9 . I tried to just quote melbella, but you are not so easily expunged.
Yes, I know the real-universe reason. I just hope the ME-universe reason makes a modicum of sense.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 6, 2016 18:28:15 GMT
I tell you: I got the feeling the people going to Andromeda (volunteers, adventurers, explorers, scientists... and a bunch of criminals) went before ME1 events.
They know is one way ticket, but they hoped they can communicate with Milky Way (that's why there is sponsorship from the MW, because they want to know some results).
The problem is 600 years later, when the Ai people finally arrive to Andromeda, they discover there are no communication with Milky Way.
The last message was the Council/Hackett/whoever telling to the Ai head project about the massive attack they suffered in Milky Way, how the Reapers are harvesting and destroying all advanced species. Earth and Palaven are occuppied, Thessia has just fallen. You are the last (unintentional) survivors of all Milky Way.
Because that is the last log and info they have, Ai people actually think they are the last of their dangered species.
Meanwhile, the MW doesn't care because 600 years have passed since the Reaper Wars, a lot of destruction was involved, so nobody remembers and there is no much recording data about those geeks who left to Andromeda before the Citadel Attack and the Reaper Wars.
I know my theory is not perfect, but since a writer point of view: 1) Things are simplified for old ME players and new ME players. 2) You don't put the focus in the Reapers per se, not for leaving. But at the same time, you put the results of the Reapers menace: we are in Andromeda not only for Science and Exploring and a new home, BUT ALSO the survival of all especies remaining in theUniverse is all on us.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Nov 6, 2016 20:57:34 GMT
Ha. No falling for an alien. Only an alien falling off a cliff Well, ACTUALLY... ... the only being we have seen falling off a cliff is a HUMAN "I told you to feed my fish and clean my hamster's cage in my cabin while i was off-shore, now you pay Lt.!"
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