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Post by lucidae on Aug 29, 2024 17:40:35 GMT
Surprised at all the "stiff" comments about Neve's voice. To me she sounded guarded and like she was on the job. Honestly the way she spoke sounded like they took heavy inspiration from the acting in film noir movies lol. I love her voice I think she sounds great and it was fun to get more of her personality. them accusing her of ratting them out to the templars and she's just like, you really think that I, A DETECTIVE, would do something so inhibiting to my career? 🤣
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Post by azarhal on Aug 29, 2024 17:43:29 GMT
Ar dirthan'as ir elgara, ma'sula e'var vhenan. Interesting that the phrase to unlock/calm the Eye is the same phrase Solas says to Sera during a banter. I don't know if that means anything. Sera is not an ancient Elf, she's an ancient elven trinket!
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2024 17:43:56 GMT
(...although, I also wouldn't be surprised at all if Elio's Dreamer ancestors had a help from a fellow dreamer roaming the Fade for millennia, who may have had instructed how to make the Eye) That's what I was thinking. Probably it wasn't just the Old Gods who spoke to the Dreamers. Of course, it is possible that the latter were the ones guiding his ancestor and they instructed the language to use in the incantation. It was also a bit creepy Solas chose to use an old chamber where blood magic sacrifices were carried out. Okay, so the Veil was thin there but there must have been other places he could have used that did not have such bad associations. If Elio ended up crossing into the Fade, clearly the ritual wasn't intended to strengthen the Veil.
I am intrigued to discover what Solas is up to though. It made sense he would want it taken into safe keeping so the Venatori couldn't get their hands on it but it seems his purpose went beyond that. Do you suppose it has any connection with the item Solas prevented the Venatori from getting in the Missing?
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 29, 2024 17:59:02 GMT
Ar dirthan'as ir elgara, ma'sula e'var vhenan. " I speak more spiritually, my song(?)/joy (from the) heart." I think that is roughly what it means. He explained it to her as: " I'd hoped, well, our people can sometimes feel the rhythm of the language despite lacking the vocabulary." So, it may be he was just speaking an old incantation to see if she recognised it subconsciously. Perhaps its real purpose was to attract spirits lingering near the Veil, or to sooth them or he was trying to connect with Sera's spirit self. It seemed to calm the relic, so perhaps there was more to that than he let on. Or they just chose to use a random phrase that Solas had used before.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 29, 2024 18:12:51 GMT
So, since all companions are romancable. I don't think Elio is going to make it...
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 29, 2024 20:23:59 GMT
(...although, I also wouldn't be surprised at all if Elio's Dreamer ancestors had a help from a fellow dreamer roaming the Fade for millennia, who may have had instructed how to make the Eye) That's what I was thinking. Probably it wasn't just the Old Gods who spoke to the Dreamers. Of course, it is possible that the latter were the ones guiding his ancestor and they instructed the language to use in the incantation. It was also a bit creepy Solas chose to use an old chamber where blood magic sacrifices were carried out. Okay, so the Veil was thin there but there must have been other places he could have used that did not have such bad associations. If Elio ended up crossing into the Fade, clearly the ritual wasn't intended to strengthen the Veil.
I am intrigued to discover what Solas is up to though. It made sense he would want it taken into safe keeping so the Venatori couldn't get their hands on it but it seems his purpose went beyond that. Do you suppose it has any connection with the item Solas prevented the Venatori from getting in the Missing? I even remember us speculating that some of the teachings/musings of Koslun are from Solas, and that he's mostly pissed off at the Qun because they completely misinterpret his words and ideas And while people joke about Solas just marching into the Dalish camps and lecturing them, truth of a matter is that (as we know from Trespasser) he spent all of his time in the Fade and woke up maybe a year before the events in the Temple of Sacred Ashes - and I assume he wasn't wasting his time on lecturing the Dalish. So, over years, he probably mostly contacted people via dreams - heck, we even have a Dalish folk tale about Fen'Harel being chased away by the Keeper's dog. Anyhoo... I think Solas chose that place specifically because the Veil was damaged there by those terrible rituals, and - just like the Breach - things need to be fixed precisely in the the places where they were damaged.
Also - Elio ended up crossing the Fade, because ultimately got overwhelmed (or something pulled him once he got overwhelmed), but despite the cave falling apart, we can't really say whether the ritual was successful or not (or, perhaps, despite it pulling Elio to the Fade, things can still ultimately be mended).
As for connection with other items Solas prevented the Venatori from getting... hard to say? It may as well be that the Venatori had designs both for the artifact AND that place, which is why Solas found it prudent to fix it. Either way, since the Venatori are a bunch of blood mages that often toy with things far beyond their understanding, it may as well be that Solas has to keep stuff away from them just because they keep being like a bull in china shop and damaging the Veil enough to imperil Solas' delicate operation.
Or it could be that the artifacts store power - like the Orb - and since the Orb got destroyed, both Solas and the Venatori seek alternatives. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Venatori tried to repeat what Magisters Sidereal did (even if at smaller scale) and make another trip to the Black City.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 29, 2024 20:24:41 GMT
So, since all companions are romancable. I don't think Elio is going to make it... But... since when Nadia is a companion?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 29, 2024 20:41:41 GMT
So, since all companions are romancable. I don't think Elio is going to make it... But... since when Nadia is a companion? I fucked up. I confused Nadia with Neve for some reason.
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Post by AlleluiaElizabeth on Aug 29, 2024 20:54:19 GMT
That was so cool! I loved it! Will expresscoherent thoughts when I have time. Lol
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 30, 2024 2:50:41 GMT
Wait, Nadia Carcosa is Katara?
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Post by SomberXIII on Aug 30, 2024 3:56:51 GMT
I don't get why they call it a podcast, it's an audio drama. There are now many podcasts which are essentially audio dramas. The genre blending happened long ago.
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Post by midnight tea on Aug 30, 2024 6:53:21 GMT
Btw. anyone finds it interesting that Elio’s surname is Andante (with his ancestor being An’Dante). Immediately brings to my mind Dante’s Infrerno
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Post by colfoley on Aug 30, 2024 7:37:18 GMT
So just finished listening and honestly pretty good start to it, didn't think I would enjoy it this much or it would be as good. Just I do kind of like the little mini cliff hangers they put in here and there that would encourage one to continue listening to it. So pretty good. Though there was at least one moment that I found to be unintentionally hillarious. Paraphrasing. Neve: Have you heard of the Dread Wolf? Half the Fandom: *Groans from the shadows* I would say though that exchange is probably a lot of the interesting implications for this. I did have the conversation where I did wonder where this happened in the timeline...this conversation actually presupposes it happens pretty late given that Neve already knows of the Dread Wolf and the implication here is that she is actively working with the Inquisition. So, right around the same time as the Missing. Would almost have to be. Doubt its after though. Secondly here seems that the Venatori have infiltrated, or has enough influence to be able to use them, the Tevinter Templars which is also something I have been actively wondering since the Gameplay Reveal in June. Other then that though pretty standard stuff and this feels like...an interesting piece of marketing given where we are. Like the Marketing until this June was telling a story, setting up themes, and given its extended nature we basically had a lot of repitition of these things going on...but given the context we also have a lot of stuff we haven't seen in awhile. Hunting for an artifact with a heist being the big one. Also at this point they really have to be setting up some sort of thematic significance with Solas. A. Solas has ambitious plan. B. Solas says it is going to do something good. C. Solas does not provide any details. D. Disaster ensues. And he even commented on this in the past with Sera. Compartmentalizing information. It does make some sense for a rebellion against ancient gods and what not so a signle person or group can't compromise the entire operation, but in this case not giving out fairly basic pieces of info just continues to freak people out. Though shame on Nadia and Ellio for not asking in the first place.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 30, 2024 7:52:43 GMT
I don't get why they call it a podcast, it's an audio drama. The genre blending happened long ago. I guess I'm not as hip with the times as I thought I was.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2024 8:13:42 GMT
Though shame on Nadia and Ellio for not asking in the first place. Nadia was asking questions though and advising against blindingly going along with his plan. It was she who spotted the fact that Solas had said something he should not have known and threatened him over it. Then after she deduces her recruitment was no accident because of her connection to Elio, Solas suggested her sharp mind was her weakness. It was Elio who behaved like an idiot and just accepted everything Solas told him because he wanted to do good in the world and now he was a renegade this seemed the only way left open to him. Why was it Nadia, the non mage, who detected the bad vibes about the cavern? Then Solas admits it was once used for blood sacrifices and Elio doesn't request more information as to why they have to perform the ritual right there simply because Solas says it will help fix the vibes of the place "more or less"? Nadia is the one who questions the safety of the process, she is the one who intuitively realises it is a bad idea but Elio seems to place more trust in the assurances of some shifty elf he has only just met than his girlfriend he has presumably known for some time. He might be a "good" Magister but he is an idiot.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 30, 2024 8:15:38 GMT
Though shame on Nadia and Ellio for not asking in the first place. Nadia was asking questions though and advising against blindingly going along with his plan. It was she who spotted the fact that Solas had said something he should not have known and threatened him over it. Then after she deduces her recruitment was no accident because of her connection to Elio, Solas suggested her sharp mind was her weakness. It was Elio who behaved like an idiot and just accepted everything Solas told him because he wanted to do good in the world and now he was a renegade this seemed the only way left open to him. Why was it Nadia, the non mage, who detected the bad vibes about the cavern? Then Solas admits it was once used for blood sacrifices and Elio doesn't request more information as to why they have to perform the ritual right there simply because Solas says it will help fix the vibes of the place "more or less"? Nadia is the one who questions the safety of the process, she is the one who intuitively realises it is a bad idea but Elio seems to place more trust in the assurances of some shifty elf he has only just met than his girlfriend he has presumably known for some time. He might be a "good" Magister but he is an idiot.
Yeah you're actually right. I was initially going to mention just Elio because thought Elio being a mage and not being like 'hole up a minute' was weird...but then roped Nadia in last minute.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2024 8:29:55 GMT
Also, anyone else think the "Eye of Kethisca" sounds like an orb? It draws magic from Elio that boosts its power. Elio is a Rift mage with a powerful connection to the Fade. Then it gives magical blow back like a sonic boom that flattens those near it. Neve warned him not to use magic near it, so she either knows or suspects what it is. And it can be controlled by elven incantations. Dorian said there were pictures of Dreamers using foci in the Archives of Minrathous. It makes sense that one of those foci might still be there. I wouldn't be surprised if Elio's ancestor didn't actually create the artifact but merely found and reactivated it, binding it to his bloodline with magic. Hence Elio doing the same when he used magic near it.
Elio apparently also knew more. He says he was told the Eye would destroy the world. Neve only said it would destroy "you", not the world. So, perhaps he was holding something back from Nadia too.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 30, 2024 10:29:26 GMT
Also, anyone else think the "Eye of Kethisca" sounds like an orb? It draws magic from Elio that boosts its power. Elio is a Rift mage with a powerful connection to the Fade. Then it gives magical blow back like a sonic boom that flattens those near it. Neve warned him not to use magic near it, so she either knows or suspects what it is. And it can be controlled by elven incantations. Dorian said there were pictures of Dreamers using foci in the Archives of Minrathous. It makes sense that one of those foci might still be there. I wouldn't be surprised if Elio's ancestor didn't actually create the artifact but merely found and reactivated it, binding it to his bloodline with magic. Hence Elio doing the same when he used magic near it.
Elio apparently also knew more. He says he was told the Eye would destroy the world. Neve only said it would destroy "you", not the world. So, perhaps he was holding something back from Nadia too. It's a literal eye.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2024 12:56:49 GMT
Btw. anyone finds it interesting that Elio’s surname is Andante (with his ancestor being An’Dante). The "An" being separate in the original name once again points to his ancestor perhaps being an elf or elf bloodied. The word means a place or location, so the location of "Dante" whoever or whatever that might be. (House of Dante perhaps?) Also the first name of one of the Talons in Eight Little Talons was Dante. So, perhaps there is some link there. His family name was Balazar and who knows how far back that might trace but it could well link back to Tevinter origins as the empire once spread across the entirety of Thedas and as Dorian recounted to Trevelyan, if you go back far enough you can find family connections. If it is anything like our world then families sometimes retain a family link to a female line by giving their surname to subsequent generations as a first or second name, so that could have been the origin of Dante's name. (I doubt it has anything to do with Dante's Inferno but may be that was the inspiration for using that particular name).
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2024 13:13:40 GMT
Where did you get that idea? It seems more likely it could be a round object that links or "sees" into the Fade or can reveal ancient mysteries. Corypheus got much of his information from the orb, so it wasn't just a power source but also a sort of lore storage. I suppose it would help if we knew who in the hell Kethisca was. No doubt all will be made clear over time. Nadia was heading for the Hinterlands at the end of the episode, so I assume that is where she meets up with Harding, who is meant to feature in episode 2. I still find it amusing how the writers treat distances like they do in the game, in other words they ignore just how significant they ought to be. Nadia says to her horse "We've got a long ride ahead of us". I should say so. I assume that they didn't go far from Minrathous when they met up with Solas, probably just down the coast. Then she had to return to the city, or somewhere just outside it, to question the bloke who originally gave her the job. So presumably she now has to ride the length of Thedas to get from there to Ferelden, either going round the Waking Sea or taking a ship across it. That is a very long journey or ought to be. Meanwhile, Solas will just go express by eluvian, so it is hardly surprising if she finds him gone when she gets there.
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Post by theascendent on Aug 30, 2024 13:52:36 GMT
I am curious as to who/what Kethisca is/was. A person? A place? An event? It is important enough to have such a powerful artefact named for them, yet hidden away in the Archives of the Magisterium to gather dust until the Venatori learns of it and cause a reaction from Solas to obtain it before they do.
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Post by apollexander on Aug 30, 2024 14:37:16 GMT
SOLAS: The Eye was made from a rare gem mined here in the caves beneath us. It was crafted centuries ago by a powerful dreamer.
ELIO: So, it's connected to the Fade.
SOLAS: Do you feel a connection to the Fade, Magister?
ELIO: You know who I am.
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ELIO: Why me?
SOLAS: Because you are a powerful Rift Mage and your bloodline is tied to this relic. The dreamer that forged the eye bore the name of An’Dante.
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ELIO: And the Eye will help us fix that? SOLAS: More or less.
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NADIA: Save Elio!
SOLAS: He has crossed over. ------------------------------------- ------------------------------------- The Eye sounds like an orb from Titan. And Solas intends to use it to strengthen the seal imprisoning the Elven Gods. When Rook interrupts the ritual, the Eye makes his blood tie to the Fade. And Solas also crosses over.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 30, 2024 14:51:19 GMT
Where did you get that idea? It seems more likely it could be a round object that links or "sees" into the Fade or can reveal ancient mysteries. Corypheus got much of his information from the orb, so it wasn't just a power source but also a sort of lore storage. I suppose it would help if we knew who in the hell Kethisca was. No doubt all will be made clear over time. Nadia was heading for the Hinterlands at the end of the episode, so I assume that is where she meets up with Harding, who is meant to feature in episode 2. I still find it amusing how the writers treat distances like they do in the game, in other words they ignore just how significant they ought to be. Nadia says to her horse "We've got a long ride ahead of us". I should say so. I assume that they didn't go far from Minrathous when they met up with Solas, probably just down the coast. Then she had to return to the city, or somewhere just outside it, to question the bloke who originally gave her the job. So presumably she now has to ride the length of Thedas to get from there to Ferelden, either going round the Waking Sea or taking a ship across it. That is a very long journey or ought to be. Meanwhile, Solas will just go express by eluvian, so it is hardly surprising if she finds him gone when she gets there. It's a joke.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2024 15:56:04 GMT
The Eye sounds like an orb from Titan. And Solas intends to use it to strengthen the seal imprisoning the Elven Gods. When Rook interrupts the ritual, the Eye makes his blood tie to the Fade. And Solas also crosses over. Not such a daft idea. Remember how Solas said that the original plan with his orb was to enter the Fade and then tear it down from the other side? So, his plan was to change the prison of the gods, enter the Fade and remove the Veil. When Rook releases the gods, Solas thinks "Oh shit, I don't want to have to deal with them", so he nips into the Fade and leaves Rook to clear up the mess. Once that is done, he can continue with his plan.
Idea number two. Rook mages get the option to use an orb and blade attack no matter which specialism they choose. So, perhaps the orb is this eye which we find in the Lighthouse.
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