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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 6, 2024 8:19:53 GMT
On that note to I think it said that Nadia is an Elf and that is something I did not get from the first episode...so I am either unobservant or unobservant or they didn't write it to well. But in that case again further explains why she felt so reticient about her and Ellio's realation. It is noticeable in a lot of associated media content that there is an assumption that if you were once a slave (as Nadia was as she was described in the first episode as a Liberati), then you must be an elf and that all slaves are elves. That would have been a case back in the ancient Imperium when the majority of slaves were elves, although not exclusively, but not since the Long March meant the Imperium lost a whole chunk of their elven slaves and made up the difference with other races, particularly humans. World of Thedas stated that today the split between humans and elves in the slave workforce is around 50/50. However, if the Devs are happy to ignore WoT when it suits them, why would they expect other writers to keep to it? So, if the writers were running with the idea that all slaves are elves and their listeners would assume this, then the fact that Nadia was a Liberati ought to have alerted them to the fact she was an elf. Whether an elf or not, naturally a Magister marrying a Liberati would be a big deal in Tevinter because Liberati are non citizens and very much restricted in what they can do. Having her as a mistress would not be a problem. Using the inferior classes in that way is almost expected. You just don't marry them. It would probably be considered bad enough marrying a Soporati or even a Laetans, even though they are citizens, because the majority of Altus think the bloodlines should be maintained and power kept consolidated in the top echelons of society, but a Liberati and a non mage at that! So, elf or not, Nadia was entirely correct in saying that Elio was just pasting a large target on her back by suggesting marriage.
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Post by TabithaTH on Sept 6, 2024 13:49:00 GMT
Also her and Drayden didn't seem to have the best chemistry other then Drayden's set up and pay off with 'elfroot'. Maybe it’s just me, but I felt like they were setting up a ‘Pride and Prejudice’ trope with the two. I would be very surprised if they do not get together at some point in the story.
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Post by lucidae on Sept 6, 2024 17:45:08 GMT
Caught up on episode 2 today. Can't help but wonder if Nadia will become likable over the series 🤔
She's an insufferable hot head lol
Glad there's Drayden to be a balancing foil to her character.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 6, 2024 18:13:09 GMT
Saw some theories that Drayden might be a Solas agent, or even Solas himself. (I doubt that second one, his disguises aren't that good lol.) Thoughts?
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Post by merane on Sept 6, 2024 21:09:23 GMT
I preferred the first episode but I can't wait to listen to the following episodes. Nadia is not very likeable in this episode. I hope they just forced the line for this episode because they don't have much time to develop her character and her journey. I think the idea of the scenario was nice, although super classic, it's just that 45 minutes was too short to develop the story well. Again small problem of time. Some words and expressions were strangely modern.
On the other hand, I really liked the character of Drayden and his relationship with Nadia. Let's hope he stays on the good side! And alive! The bad guy was funny and the name of his cult doesn't help but I liked it. Voice acting and sound design are still as good, on a more technical level nothing to complain about.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 6, 2024 21:19:19 GMT
I preferred the first episode but I can't wait to listen to the following episodes. Nadia is not very likeable in this episode. I hope they just forced the line for this episode because they don't have much time to develop her character and her journey. I think it's more that she's rightfully distraught and in a rush - on a mission to save her man from potentially a horrible fate (who also appears to be a good influence on her) after all. Yet, despite that, she helped Harding and then stayed to help the villagers. Vexed as she was at this, IMO it was to establish that she can care about more than her main mission (plus, we see some more insight into her backstory).
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Post by sloth on Sept 6, 2024 21:55:29 GMT
yeah, I'm liking the podcast so far but still not liking Nadia too much. In the first episode thought she was ok, but in the second really thought she was kind of annoying. Not sure if the way she talks "makes sense" in the context, and I guess that's my main problem with the character. I agree with how strange it feels to hear the "modern dialogue and expressions", but I think it is most noticeable when Nadia is talking. Didn't really get this feeling while hearing the other characters, actually. Really liked the way Neve, Elio and Solas sounded in the first episode and Drayden in the second, for example. Also, I understand that this is a podcast/audio drama, and during action scenes it would be weird to just hear "grunts" and "punching noises", but those dialogues, trash talks and jokes during fights... they are not good... Overall the setups were good and both episodes were fun, even if they pulled another "Attack at Nightfall"... I always liked those kind of stories
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 8, 2024 0:48:39 GMT
So Nadia travelled from Minrathous to the Hinterlands, and is now off to the Anderfels. That'll take a minute. And judging by the episode list, she's going to be crisscrossing the entire continent. How many months/years is this series spanning? Her "rescue" mission feels... a little impractical.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 8, 2024 1:14:04 GMT
So Nadia travelled from Minrathous to the Hinterlands, and is now off to the Anderfels. That'll take a minute. And judging by the episode list, she's going to be crisscrossing the entire continent. How many months/years is this series spanning? Her "rescue" mission feels... a little impractical. I'm not sure episode 2 is supposed to be set in the Ferelden Hinterlands. When Harding tells Nadia she's part of the Inquisition this is Nadia's answer: " What in damnation you doing all the way out here?" Which seems something weird to tell to anyone from the Inquisition when they basically took over the Ferelden Hinterlands for 2-3 years and their main base was next door.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 8, 2024 1:17:21 GMT
So Nadia travelled from Minrathous to the Hinterlands, and is now off to the Anderfels. That'll take a minute. And judging by the episode list, she's going to be crisscrossing the entire continent. How many months/years is this series spanning? Her "rescue" mission feels... a little impractical. I'm not sure episode 2 is supposed to be set in the Ferelden Hinterlands. When Harding tells Nadia she's part of the Inquisition this is Nadia's answer: " What in damnation you doing all the way out here?" Which seems something weird to tell to anyone from the Inquisition when they basically took over the Ferelden Hinterlands for 2-3 years and their main base was next door. Well, we were told she was going to the Hinterlands in Ep1, and afaik they haven't said anything to refute it. The Hinterlands is huge, they may just be in some remote location in it.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 8, 2024 1:46:23 GMT
So Nadia travelled from Minrathous to the Hinterlands, and is now off to the Anderfels. That'll take a minute. And judging by the episode list, she's going to be crisscrossing the entire continent. How many months/years is this series spanning? Her "rescue" mission feels... a little impractical. I'm not sure episode 2 is supposed to be set in the Ferelden Hinterlands. When Harding tells Nadia she's part of the Inquisition this is Nadia's answer: " What in damnation you doing all the way out here?" Which seems something weird to tell to anyone from the Inquisition when they basically took over the Ferelden Hinterlands for 2-3 years and their main base was next door. Given that the graveyard where Lace and Nadia met is in some neglected corner of Ferelden (it's so remote that the neighboring Ravensbrook seems resigned to nobody aiding them with a literal murderous cult problem) - so, even if this place IS in Ferelden, I think Nadia is right to ask what is the member of illustrious Inquisition doing on some forgotten ancient graveyard, especially since it's 12 years after Inky dealt with Corypheus, Inquisition got disbanded or reduced in size, and I'm quite sure any remaining noticeable chunk of Inquisition isn't holed anywhere near that place.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 8, 2024 1:57:02 GMT
I'm not sure episode 2 is supposed to be set in the Ferelden Hinterlands. When Harding tells Nadia she's part of the Inquisition this is Nadia's answer: " What in damnation you doing all the way out here?" Which seems something weird to tell to anyone from the Inquisition when they basically took over the Ferelden Hinterlands for 2-3 years and their main base was next door. Well, we were told she was going to the Hinterlands in Ep1, and afaik they haven't said anything to refute it. The Hinterlands is huge, they may just be in some remote location in it. But Ferelden wasn't mentioned and hinterlands is just a geographical land descriptor. And the place should actually be called the Arling of Redcliffe anyway. Even worst, she was to check every burial grounds in there. Just that would have taken her years, if she could even find them, since a lots was lost and abandonned in that region after the 5th Blight. I think we can conclude that the audio drama is being driven by stupid...
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Post by azarhal on Sept 12, 2024 11:59:41 GMT
3 episodes in and two of Solas's plans goes to shit and he runs off instead of helping his hirelings...
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Updated the OP with Episode 3 & transcript.
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Post by jennica on Sept 12, 2024 12:36:23 GMT
3 episodes in and two of Solas's plans goes to shit and he runs off instead of helping his hirelings... Tbh, we don't know what was Solas' goal in the first episode. Maybe the ritual was a success, even if Elio got trapped as a result. It's not like Solas would have warned him about it. He's still a jerk, of course, regardless if the ritual went as intended or not.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 12, 2024 12:38:29 GMT
3 episodes in and two of Solas's plans goes to shit and he runs off instead of helping his hirelings... Tbh, we don't know what was Solas' goal in the first episode. Maybe the ritual was a success, even if Elio got trapped as a result. It's not like Solas would have warned him about it. He's still a jerk, of course, regardless if the ritual went as intended or not. Solas pannicked in the first episode, things don't appear to have go like he planned them there, even if it worked. His plan seems to have actually worked in the second one, and he let all his hirelings get killed. Jerk isn't the word I would use for that.
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Post by SomberXIII on Sept 12, 2024 12:42:41 GMT
3 episodes in and two of Solas's plans goes to shit and he runs off instead of helping his hirelings... Does he ever enjoy being successful in his life? He's always carried that sad, beautiful and tragic energy around.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 12, 2024 13:42:32 GMT
Tbh, we don't know what was Solas' goal in the first episode. Maybe the ritual was a success, even if Elio got trapped as a result. It's not like Solas would have warned him about it. He's still a jerk, of course, regardless if the ritual went as intended or not. Solas pannicked in the first episode, things don't appear to have go like he planned them there, even if it worked. His plan seems to have actually worked in the second one, and he let all his hirelings get killed. Jerk isn't the word I would use for that. You're saying this as if Inquisitor didn't delegate or outsource missions that turned out to have had cost in human life, regardless of what we did? Even elven gods may not be able to be everywhere all at once. And Thedas is quite big. And considering he's quite convinced he's trying to save the world (and, judging what we saw in what was reveal already - he may be on to something) it's quite likely important (from his perspective) matters may have kept him very busy elsewhere. Maybe he even tries to do something about that Elio situation, which is why Nadia keeps getting those strange seizures.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 12, 2024 13:50:00 GMT
Tbh, we don't know what was Solas' goal in the first episode. Maybe the ritual was a success, even if Elio got trapped as a result. It's not like Solas would have warned him about it. He's still a jerk, of course, regardless if the ritual went as intended or not. Apart from the first episode where Nadia actually saw Solas, is there any evidence to link him in the subsequent two other than people claiming a connection? To be honest it seems a lot like the Missing to me. Nadia is running around looking for Solas and allegedly he is always there just one step ahead of her. Stuff happens and she moves on to the next location because someone heard Solas mention he was going there, the Inquisition sent her a "clue" or she uses an eluvian. If the Inquisition thought Solas was in the Anderfels, why wasn't one of their agents there with her and Drayden (or is Drayden really an agent of the Inquisition?) I thought that was the whole point of the Inquisition now, to track down Solas. Surely they have more than just Harding and Charter doing this?
Also, I note we get nothing new about the companions from this. Last episode she met Harding and learned she was from the Inquisition, plus something of her skills and character. Established fans already knew that. Next she meets Davrin and learns he is from the Wardens. Plus he is clearly committed to his role, is loyal to his fellow Wardens and Drayden fancied him. Also, as a Dalish elf he's heard of the Dread Wolf, surprise, surprise. Now she has met up with Bellara in Aralthan Forest and the Veil Jumpers ready for the next episode. Will we actually learn anything about either the Veil Jumpers or Bellara that we didn't know already? I doubt it. I can see now why the podcast is not essential listening to play DAV.
There is also another issue. Time wise when is it meant to be set in relation to the Missing and DAV? (Is it actually happening at the same time as the Missing so that is why Harding is otherwise engaged after the second episode and couldn't stay with Nadia?) Is the suitability of the companions for the Veilguard meant to be based on their appearance here? You see, I'm struggling to understand why these particular individuals are recruited as opposed to anyone else but then I assume that is being kept for the game. So, the podcast is really fluff. (To be honest I nodded off during this episode.)
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Post by azarhal on Sept 12, 2024 14:07:29 GMT
Solas pannicked in the first episode, things don't appear to have go like he planned them there, even if it worked. His plan seems to have actually worked in the second one, and he let all his hirelings get killed. Jerk isn't the word I would use for that. You're saying this as if Inquisitor didn't delegate or outsource missions that turned out to have had cost in human life, regardless of what we did? Even elven gods may not be able to be everywhere all at once. And Thedas is quite big. And considering he's quite convinced he's trying to save the world (and, judging what we saw in what was reveal already - he may be on to something) it's quite likely important (from his perspective) matters may have kept him very busy elsewhere. Maybe he even tries to do something about that Elio situation, which is why Nadia keeps getting those strange seizures. I'm impressed how hard you defend a narcissic who has no issues to let his hired helpers die at work because he didn't care to tell them to stop working after he got what he wanted because he really really needs to destroy the world. It's really impressive.
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Post by OhDaniGirl on Sept 12, 2024 14:10:00 GMT
It's not like Solas would have warned him about it. But he did warn them about the ritual. They asked Solas if it was safe, and he told them it's as safe as they make it. During the ritual, Solas asked, repeatedly, for Nadia to kindly shut up, and for Elio to focus on the ritual and not his squealing girlfriend. Neither of them listened and, predictably, things appeared to go sideways. I think he did his best to keep things from falling apart, but apparently there is only so much ineptitude even he can compensate for. As for the collapse, they all knew the danger they were walking in to. They wanted the coin more than their safety.
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Post by gervaise21 on Sept 12, 2024 14:24:33 GMT
I'm impressed how hard you defend a narcissic who has no issues to let his hired helpers die at work because he didn't care to tell them to stop working after he got what he wanted because he really really needs to destroy the world. I really wouldn't base your character assessment of Solas on this podcast. It is full of plot holes and even more annoying for its contrivances than the Missing. Knowing what you do of Solas and his reluctance to share knowledge with anyone, plus he isn't a total idiot, do you really think he would trust any of these individuals with something important to his future plans? So, don't take it seriously and just hope that the narrative of the Veilguard is better than this.
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Post by jennica on Sept 12, 2024 14:30:20 GMT
It's not like Solas would have warned him about it. But he did warn them about the ritual. They asked Solas if it was safe, and he told them it's as safe as they make it. During the ritual, Solas asked, repeatedly, for Nadia to kindly shut up, and for Elio to focus on the ritual and not his squealing girlfriend. Neither of them listened and, predictably, things appeared to go sideways. I think he did his best to keep things from falling apart, but apparently there is only so much ineptitude even he can compensate for. As for the collapse, they all knew the danger they were walking in to. They wanted the coin more than their safety. I like Solas and all, but come on. He never properly explained what's this ritual about and he never mentioned the possibility of getting trapped in the Fade. Elio had no idea what he was getting himself into.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 12, 2024 14:35:12 GMT
Does anyone know who voices the intro and credits?
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