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Post by godkingsarevok on Sept 21, 2024 22:34:17 GMT
Real talk, though: there is a conversation to be had about, for example, armors/clothing that are a bit more feminine and not so ill-fitting and shapeless; and other stuff like, the fact that our protagonist always uses male animations (it’s claimed to be “neutral”, but we all know it’s really not) - that, unless it’s a game with a female protagonist by default (Tomb Raider, Control…) - very generally speaking, it always seems to favor the straight white male player yada yada. That’s my honest feeling about it, my experience playing these games for like over a decade now. I just don’t know if this thread is the place to have that convo, I don’t really trust the intent of it, no offense. How does a game using combat animations first rigged on a masculine body type and then transferred to a feminine body type favor "straight white males". You say you don't trust the intent of this thread, but you speak in the same way. But yes that's always been the BioWare way, female Hawke and female Shepard both ran like men.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 21, 2024 22:53:06 GMT
Real talk, though: there is a conversation to be had about, for example, armors/clothing that are a bit more feminine and not so ill-fitting and shapeless; and other stuff like, the fact that our protagonist always uses male animations (it’s claimed to be “neutral”, but we all know it’s really not) - that, unless it’s a game with a female protagonist by default (Tomb Raider, Control…) - very generally speaking, it always seems to favor the straight white male player yada yada. That’s my honest feeling about it, my experience playing these games for like over a decade now. I just don’t know if this thread is the place to have that convo, I don’t really trust the intent of it, no offense. How does a game using combat animations first rigged on a masculine body type and then transferred to a feminine body type favor "straight white males". You say you don't trust the intent of this thread, but you speak in the same way. But yes that's always been the BioWare way, female Hawke and female Shepard both ran like men. I'm speaking in a very general sense (and you know how generalizations go?), but I'm not gonna list down specific examples one by one because that'd take a whole page, and also because I don't feel like it, how about that - and while there *has* been progress over the years, it is still a thing (and I'm not talking about just BioWare). And no, I don't speak the same way. Girl, bye.
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Post by godkingsarevok on Sept 21, 2024 23:09:17 GMT
How does a game using combat animations first rigged on a masculine body type and then transferred to a feminine body type favor "straight white males". You say you don't trust the intent of this thread, but you speak in the same way. But yes that's always been the BioWare way, female Hawke and female Shepard both ran like men. I'm speaking in a very general sense (and you know how generalizations go?), but I'm not gonna list down specific examples one by one because that'd take a whole page, and also because I don't feel like it, how about that - and while there *has* been progress over the years, it is still a thing (and I'm not talking about just BioWare). And no, I don't speak the same way. Girl, bye. Why not just say men? Why add the straight and white? Just like the original post could have just mentioned the lack of curvy female options instead of also attacking other options, you could have brought up lack of feminine animations, instead you attack another group. How do you fail to see that you are the same, your intent is identical, it's not to have a conversation it's just to attack.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 21, 2024 23:12:22 GMT
Ugh. Somebody stab me with a spatula.
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Post by duskwanderer on Sept 21, 2024 23:28:55 GMT
I'm speaking in a very general sense (and you know how generalizations go?), but I'm not gonna list down specific examples one by one because that'd take a whole page, and also because I don't feel like it, how about that - and while there *has* been progress over the years, it is still a thing (and I'm not talking about just BioWare). And no, I don't speak the same way. Girl, bye. Why not just say men? Why add the straight and white? Just like the original post could have just mentioned the lack of curvy female options instead of also attacking other options, you could have brought up lack of feminine animations, instead you attack another group. How do you fail to see that you are the same, your intent is identical, it's not to have a conversation it's just to attack. It's truly funny, because there are ways to have conversations about such things. Armor should look different on a male Rook and a female Rook because male bodies and female bodies are different and there's a lot to say about dimorphism. It's not just the movement animations. It's posture, and all. But those who are interested are only willing to attack the other groups. Because truly, that's what it was about for them. It's not about female bodies running incorrectly, it's attacking male bodies.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 21, 2024 23:46:45 GMT
Real talk, though: there is a conversation to be had about, for example, armors/clothing that are a bit more feminine and not so ill-fitting and shapeless; and other stuff like, the fact that our protagonist always uses male animations (it’s claimed to be “neutral”, but we all know it’s really not) - that, unless it’s a game with a female protagonist by default (Tomb Raider, Control…) - very generally speaking, it always seems to favor the straight white male player yada yada. That’s my honest feeling about it, my experience playing these games for like over a decade now. I just don’t know if this thread is the place to have that convo, I don’t really trust the intent of it, no offense. How does a game using combat animations first rigged on a masculine body type and then transferred to a feminine body type favor "straight white males". You say you don't trust the intent of this thread, but you speak in the same way. But yes that's always been the BioWare way, female Hawke and female Shepard both ran like men. Clearly, white men have a particular "walk" Or the poster is just racist.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 21, 2024 23:47:45 GMT
The wokes oppressed the male bodies.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 21, 2024 23:53:11 GMT
How does a game using combat animations first rigged on a masculine body type and then transferred to a feminine body type favor "straight white males". You say you don't trust the intent of this thread, but you speak in the same way. But yes that's always been the BioWare way, female Hawke and female Shepard both ran like men. Clearly, white men have a particular "walk" Or the poster is just racist. That's exactly what I was saying. You are very, very astute. I am so impressed. Now, I'm bored. Goodbye.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 21, 2024 23:57:33 GMT
Gamers will complain about 'Mary Sues' and 'self-inserts' in movies but then think the entire point of playing an rpg is to create one. No. At least, not GOOD rpgs. The purpose of a GOOD rpg is to create a character who rises to a challenge, who struggles, perhaps fails occasionally, but ultimately finds a way (ideally, one of several possible ways) to defeat the Big Bad. And these characters need not be anything like the person playing them. A man can play as a woman. A blonde can play as a redhead. An honest player can be a backstabbing rogue. And so on. Many people don't even play as "themselves" but as someone they might like to be. Or as someone they can't be. Or just someone they might find interesting. Playing as "yourself" is bush league role-playing. Mary-Sues don't struggle. You might as well be playing with console commands if that's how you roll. What gamers are complaining about here is that the cc, despite claims to being robust and has something for everyone, appears to be, well, not. And is extremely limiting to anyone who wants to play a "feminine" character. I find that a valid point of concern, whether that's how YOU want to play or not. (myself, I rarely play a female character, though it has been known to happen)
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Post by duskwanderer on Sept 21, 2024 23:58:47 GMT
Getting back to focusing on the character creator, I cannot help but wonder how much time the Rook would spend nude/mostly undressed so much that these top surgery scars would be relevant.
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Post by MeadKnight on Sept 22, 2024 0:01:15 GMT
Gamers will complain about 'Mary Sues' and 'self-inserts' in movies but then think the entire point of playing an rpg is to create one. No. At least, not GOOD rpgs. The purpose of a GOOD rpg is to create a character who rises to a challenge, who struggles, perhaps fails occasionally, but ultimately finds a way (ideally, one of several possible ways) to defeat the Big Bad. And these characters need not be anything like the person playing them. A man can play as a woman. A blonde can play as a redhead. An honest player can be a backstabbing rogue. And so on. Many people don't even play as "themselves" but as someone they might like to be. Or as someone they can't be. Or just someone they might find interesting. Playing as "yourself" is bush league role-playing. Mary-Sues don't struggle. You might as well be playing with console commands if that's how you roll. What gamers are complaining about here is that the cc, despite claims to being robust and has something for everyone, appears to be, well, not. And is extremely limiting to anyone who wants to play a "feminine" character. I find that a valid point of concern, whether that's how YOU want to play or not. (myself, I rarely play a female character, though it has been known to happen) Pookie, just because you can't give your Rook triple H boobs doesn't mean the character creator isn't robust. From what I've seen there is a very big amount of variation between everyone's Rooks. That is what makes it robust.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 0:11:08 GMT
A woman's femininity is defined by her breast and butt size.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 0:12:21 GMT
Getting back to focusing on the character creator, I cannot help but wonder how much time the Rook would spend nude/mostly undressed so much that these top surgery scars would be relevant. Chest tattoos: Chest scars:
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Post by smilesja on Sept 22, 2024 0:17:00 GMT
No. At least, not GOOD rpgs. The purpose of a GOOD rpg is to create a character who rises to a challenge, who struggles, perhaps fails occasionally, but ultimately finds a way (ideally, one of several possible ways) to defeat the Big Bad. And these characters need not be anything like the person playing them. A man can play as a woman. A blonde can play as a redhead. An honest player can be a backstabbing rogue. And so on. Many people don't even play as "themselves" but as someone they might like to be. Or as someone they can't be. Or just someone they might find interesting. Playing as "yourself" is bush league role-playing. Mary-Sues don't struggle. You might as well be playing with console commands if that's how you roll. What gamers are complaining about here is that the cc, despite claims to being robust and has something for everyone, appears to be, well, not. And is extremely limiting to anyone who wants to play a "feminine" character. I find that a valid point of concern, whether that's how YOU want to play or not. (myself, I rarely play a female character, though it has been known to happen) Pookie, just because you can't give your Rook triple H boobs doesn't mean the character creator isn't robust. From what I've seen there is a very big amount of variation between everyone's Rooks. That is what makes it robust. I mean the CC is robust definitely a massive improvement over the already excellent DAI CC. I mean are we really going to disparage a game like BG3 because they don’t allow you to be some big breasted and big butt character? (Though admittedly I haven’t tested the CC of BG3 so I might have missed it lol.)
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Post by godkingsarevok on Sept 22, 2024 0:30:18 GMT
Getting back to focusing on the character creator, I cannot help but wonder how much time the Rook would spend nude/mostly undressed so much that these top surgery scars would be relevant. One scene per companion at least would be my guess, if there is a Zevran/Isabella/Iron Bull companion perhaps 2. Maybe an option to remove certain clothing and walk around like BG3, of course no running around with your dick out. And with transmogrify, maybe you can set the armor to not appear and you can around bare chested. Probably not as a female though.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 22, 2024 0:43:53 GMT
No. At least, not GOOD rpgs. The purpose of a GOOD rpg is to create a character who rises to a challenge, who struggles, perhaps fails occasionally, but ultimately finds a way (ideally, one of several possible ways) to defeat the Big Bad. And these characters need not be anything like the person playing them. A man can play as a woman. A blonde can play as a redhead. An honest player can be a backstabbing rogue. And so on. Many people don't even play as "themselves" but as someone they might like to be. Or as someone they can't be. Or just someone they might find interesting. Playing as "yourself" is bush league role-playing. Mary-Sues don't struggle. You might as well be playing with console commands if that's how you roll. What gamers are complaining about here is that the cc, despite claims to being robust and has something for everyone, appears to be, well, not. And is extremely limiting to anyone who wants to play a "feminine" character. I find that a valid point of concern, whether that's how YOU want to play or not. (myself, I rarely play a female character, though it has been known to happen) Pookie, just because you can't give your Rook triple H boobs doesn't mean the character creator isn't robust. From what I've seen there is a very big amount of variation between everyone's Rooks. That is what makes it robust.
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Post by githcheater on Sept 22, 2024 0:44:04 GMT
Here I was happy as a clam with a larger female body size & caboose in SWTOR, but did not realize how important it is to create grotesque, but scarless female shapes in DAVe.
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Post by godkingsarevok on Sept 22, 2024 0:48:48 GMT
Here I was happy as a clam with a larger female body size & caboose in SWTOR, but did not realize how important it is to create grotesque, but scarless female shapes in DAVe. I love body 4 in SWTOR, especially the female version. My trooper definitely wanted a piece of Garza's ass.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 22, 2024 0:49:14 GMT
A woman's femininity is defined by her breast and butt size. Yes I'm a GamerTM, why do you ask
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Post by smilesja on Sept 22, 2024 0:57:04 GMT
Can this thread be closed already?
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Post by MeadKnight on Sept 22, 2024 1:03:43 GMT
Pookie, just because you can't give your Rook triple H boobs doesn't mean the character creator isn't robust. From what I've seen there is a very big amount of variation between everyone's Rooks. That is what makes it robust. I find it weird that you seem to be white-knighting a woman's ability to play a "feminine" Rook (I'm not getting into the fact that femininity is not determined by your body type) despite multiple women in this very thread saying that they do not see a problem with with their ability to do so in this game. You might be trying to hide your rhetoric behind logic and being sensible, but it's obvious that your arguments are not being made in good faith.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 22, 2024 1:04:54 GMT
female Shepard both ran like men. In ME3, she ran like a fullback. I'm trying to get my team to talk to Bioware about recruiting femshep for the backfield to help with the running game
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Post by Iakus on Sept 22, 2024 1:06:55 GMT
I find it weird that you seem to be white-knighting a woman's ability to play a "feminine" Rook (I'm not getting into the fact that femininity is not determined by your body type) despite multiple women in this very thread saying that they do not see a problem with with their ability to do so in this game. You might be trying to hide your rhetoric behind logic and being sensible, but it's obvious that your arguments are not being made in good faith. First, you don't have to be a woman to want to play a female character. Stop being so sexist. Second, you don't represent all women's opinions any more than I do. There are also women in this thread who DO see a problem. So who's arguments aren't being made in good faith?
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Post by Iakus on Sept 22, 2024 1:07:42 GMT
female Shepard both ran like men. She ran like she was a fullback. I'm trying to get my team to talk to Bioware about recruiting femshep for their backfield to help with their running game I don't think that's what they mean by "fight like a krogan"
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 1:29:29 GMT
Oh no not the fallacy memes
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