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Post by merane on Sept 22, 2024 14:40:54 GMT
Don't remind me. All that stuff still exists in the moderators' sin bin of course... I recall how angry David Gaider was about the whole thing. It's too easy to get sucked up into debates like these, which are arguably circular and won't be changing anything. I trust the participants in this discussion will keep things calm. Such discussions have a habit of melting down and then a lock. just saying. Ahh! That’s the gif I was thinking of when recalling the thread. I remember the OP being obsessed and trying to prove that Cassandra was a man thanks to Anthropology. And yeah, I do remember Gaiders rant lol. I still remember it!! It was one of the most mind-blowing things I've seen on the old forum!! I still can't understand how someone can end up like that, especially for a video game. And I'd rather not try for my own sanity. Poor David Gaider.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 22, 2024 14:47:06 GMT
I thought that Gif was hilarious with the little earrings and everything.
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Post by godkingsarevok on Sept 22, 2024 14:52:29 GMT
Male skull, female skull or monkey skull, Cassandra was still a hottie and her romance was my favorite in Inquisition.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 15:02:53 GMT
Lucanis was nicknamed Short King 3 months ago... The preset most used to complain about the body proportion is the blond lady elf who is 1.5 feet shorter than Solas (you can see them side by side in a spoiler memory cutscene). There is zero conspiracy here, just a character creator where you can change the character height and girth. It's not a question of height but proportion, and proportion of the size of the head to the body. That said, I'm really not wild about people bringing out charts of idealised body proportions, so I'm not saying bodies need to be ideal, but I think they could be a little more realistic. Or not. As others have said, if it's an artistic decision, so be it. There are human with big heads and humans with small heads.Small neck and long neck. Human with broard shoulders and humans with compact shoulders. Some people don't even have symmetrical bodies or faces. Asking for "realistic proportions" is asking for "idealized proportions". And smaller people tend to have bigger heads. You can make assymetrical face in the Veilguard CC (even the ears don't have to be symmetrical) and scale the head scalp, not just make it wider/taller. You can change the shoulder width, so go for it if you prefer broader shoulders. Some people are going to make total monstrousities out of that CC.
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Post by jennica on Sept 22, 2024 15:13:26 GMT
I thought that Gif was hilarious with the little earrings and everything. I didn't even notice earrings, until you pointed it out lmao. He even added a smile to her face. I refuse to believe that it wasn't a troll.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 22, 2024 15:24:40 GMT
This topic is making me self-conscious about how big my head is
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 22, 2024 15:32:02 GMT
I wasn't going to comment because Asmongold content is not worth engaging with, but that Cassandra gif is one of the funniest things I've ever seen.
I was also today years old when I found out what happened to Hepler, which was far less funny to learn about. People blame EA for losing writers, but maybe they should take a look in the mirror on occasion.
The issue is models are slightly smaller than what's industry standard, which is why heads looks slightly off once they're pointed out. They even have a term for it, heroic standard or something, and it's used in comic books as well. I'll adjust to the change in game, but I get why a lot of artists clocked it pretty much immediately.
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Post by dagless on Sept 22, 2024 15:33:59 GMT
This topic is making me self-conscious about how big my head is A great many Hollywood legends have larger than average heads. It’s a whole thing. What you have there is called screen presence.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 15:41:02 GMT
*he had pictures proving it! Don't remind me. All that stuff still exists in the moderators' sin bin of course... The original poster went by 'Brevnau'. Later incarnations people referred to as 'Not-Brevnau'. I recall how angry David Gaider was about the whole thing. It's too easy to get sucked up into debates like these, which are arguably circular and won't be changing anything. I trust the participants in this discussion will keep things calm. Such discussions have a habit of melting down and then a lock. just saying. Oh yeah originally he was Luzarius, and I used to call him Lulzarious. Good times (not really).
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 22, 2024 15:49:53 GMT
Oh yeah originally he was Luzarius Brevnau was even older from the official BSN Prime. It wasn't 100% that it was the same person, but the MO fit. And it's important to let people make their case (within reason) so long as it's not offensive, but it rarely ended well. Anyway, I'm derailing with these recollections, back to the head & shoulders thing...
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 15:50:58 GMT
I wasn't going to comment because Asmongold content is not worth engaging with, but that Cassandra gif is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I was also today years old when I found out what happened to Hepler, which was far less funny to learn about. People blame EA for losing writers, but maybe they should take a look in the mirror on occasion. The issue is models are slightly smaller than what's industry standard, which is why heads looks slightly off once they're pointed out. They even have a term for it, heroic standard or something, and it's used in comic books as well. I'll adjust to the change in game, but I get why a lot of artists clocked it pretty much immediately. This. As an action figure-collecting dork I see it there, too. McFarlane Toys especially uses superhero comic proportions on even their non-superhero figures, and once I noticed how actually undersized the heads were I can't unsee it lol. So not only do we have gamers thinking smaller heads are Achsually rEalIsTiC, it's also the usual nonsense about how a specifically chosen art style that doesn't conform to faux-realism is Objectively Bad (unless its superior eastern anime!).
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 22, 2024 16:00:01 GMT
I wasn't going to comment because Asmongold content is not worth engaging with, but that Cassandra gif is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I was also today years old when I found out what happened to Hepler, which was far less funny to learn about. People blame EA for losing writers, but maybe they should take a look in the mirror on occasion. The issue is models are slightly smaller than what's industry standard, which is why heads looks slightly off once they're pointed out. They even have a term for it, heroic standard or something, and it's used in comic books as well. I'll adjust to the change in game, but I get why a lot of artists clocked it pretty much immediately. This. As an action figure-collecting dork I see it there, too. McFarlane Toys especially uses superhero comic proportions on even their non-superhero figures, and once I noticed how actually undersized the heads were I can't unsee it lol. So not only do we have gamers thinking smaller heads are Achsually rEalIsTiC, it's also the usual nonsense about how a specifically chosen art style that doesn't conform to faux-realism is Objectively Bad (unless its superior eastern anime!). I don't necessarily disagree, but it's worth noting that exaggeration to create a facade of realism is nothing new. It goes all the way back to Kennedy-Nixon debate, where Kennedy's makeup artists did a much better job making him look "normal" in front of a camera. Seeing a theater kid up close, without lighting, after a dress rehearsal is very different from seeing them on a stage.
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Post by dagless on Sept 22, 2024 16:02:41 GMT
Oh yeah originally he was Luzarius Brevnau was even older from the official BSN Prime. It wasn't 100% that it was the same person, but the MO fit. And it's important to let people make their case (within reason) so long as it's not offensive, but it rarely ended well. Anyway, I'm derailing with these recollections, back to the head & shoulders thing... The yellow pages ad? Have you lost your mind (for useless nostalgic trivia)?
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 16:22:04 GMT
Let your fingers do the walking! /imanold
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 22, 2024 16:48:38 GMT
Have you lost your mind (for useless nostalgic trivia)? Quite possibly...
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 22, 2024 17:36:12 GMT
The proportions are off, fact. I’ve said it a hundred times. They went with a big head, and a sort of short and stumpy body that’s kind of bizarre, and does lend itself to a more cartoonish style. Everybody, not just Rook.
MEA had the same style, but it was not as prevalent as in DA:tV, I think. It’s not my favorite.
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Post by dagless on Sept 22, 2024 17:48:34 GMT
Have you lost your mind (for useless nostalgic trivia)? Quite possibly... I believe the 80s reference you are looking for is: “Head and Shoulders? i didn’t know you had dandruff.” “I don’t” BOOM! Oh, damn! Mic drop, etc, etc.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 22, 2024 18:00:43 GMT
That Cassandra gif… was that a thing? For real??? I’m dying 😂🤣😩
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 22, 2024 18:10:03 GMT
Filing this under things nobody would notice or care about until people make it a thing cause that's what we do these days.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 22, 2024 18:13:21 GMT
As you can see, class: greek discus statue good, naked middle-aged but still oddly in really good shape mustachioed 1880s store owner bad. /art ps put bigger boobas on the females Tell me you have no idea who Andrew Loomis is without telling me you have no idea who Andrew Loomis is. *he had pictures proving it! He was sort of a nerdier pioneer of the TERF practice of accusing ciswomen of being trans Oh, we're using slurs now. How regrettable.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 18:16:40 GMT
Filing this under things nobody would notice or care about until people make it a thing cause that's what we do these days. It is telling that after months of footage and screenshots, no one could specifically point out what was supposedly "wrong" with the characters' anatomy until now. It's like since the content creator-recorded videos ended up looking so good, we still had to find something to complain about because what else are we good at.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 22, 2024 18:17:02 GMT
Asking for "realistic proportions" is asking for "idealized proportions". I am quite aware of what "idealised proportions" are, we see them every day in all sorts of media, and I am aware that 95% of people do not fall within those parameters. I'd consider those 95% of people realistic. I'm not talking about the CC, but what we see with our companions, especially Lucanis, is not realistic at all; you will probably never see anyone on earth with head/eye proportions that our companions have. It's obviously a design choice, and I accept it as their artistic vision, but I do wish it wasn't so exaggerated.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 18:17:34 GMT
As you can see, class: greek discus statue good, naked middle-aged but still oddly in really good shape mustachioed 1880s store owner bad. /art ps put bigger boobas on the females Tell me you have no idea who Andrew Loomis is without telling me you have no idea who Andrew Loomis is. *he had pictures proving it! He was sort of a nerdier pioneer of the TERF practice of accusing ciswomen of being trans Oh, we're using slurs now. How regrettable. lmao a "TERF is slur" person encountered in the wild! edit: Oh wait, or is it the muskian "cis is a slur"? Oh my shits, this is great.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 22, 2024 18:32:53 GMT
Yeah, it’s their artistic vision, decision. It’s an odd one but whatever. I don’t love it, personally, I prefer ME Trilogy’s and Inquisition’s style. But I’m embracing it (as if I have a choice).
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 22, 2024 18:37:46 GMT
I'd suggest to stick to the skepticism thread for posts like this. Slightly less chance of a derail-dogpile.
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