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Post by danaxe on Sept 22, 2024 8:51:28 GMT
So I just watched this and went back to check the trailers and.... It does seem to be true.. and boy does it make a difference on the whole uncanny valley feel the characters give. I wish BioWare would fix this but seems a bit too late for that. Hopefully modders will be able to do it. It's really unsettling how much better the characters would look with smaller heads and bigger shoulders.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 22, 2024 10:30:21 GMT
Yes, the issue has been brought up in the skeptics thread too. It's a really weird choice especially since there quite established ways to handle head/body ratios, it's one of the first thing you learn in figure drawing courses. I really hope for modders in that regard too. They can replace heads with chairs for Skyrim, someone will find a way.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 22, 2024 10:39:58 GMT
Just pick the bottle size you're comfortable with. If you're male you may find that the dandruff problem goes away with balding.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 22, 2024 10:41:38 GMT
Good grief people are taking that vid seriously.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 22, 2024 11:18:58 GMT
Good grief people are taking that vid seriously. Video or not, the characters are weirdly proportioned.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 12:13:04 GMT
Good grief people are taking that vid seriously. Unfortunatly yes, it's turning into the new "my face is tired" BS and people are gobbing it up because nobody has the right to be stout and muscled trapezoids/neck are forbidden on women.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 22, 2024 12:26:01 GMT
I mean, unfortunate video choice, but I agree that the proportions are unusual. I noticed Lucanis' head back in the first reveal, for example. I was thinking more recently that they might have wanted to make more people look dwarf-like in keeping with the development of the lore, perhaps? Or maybe they wanted to recreate the popularity of Harding with the other companions. *shrug* I don't know.
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Post by godkingsarevok on Sept 22, 2024 12:30:20 GMT
The big heads are a choice, we've been down this road before though, Artistic Integrity.
Though I do wish I hadn't this clip, it hits a bit different when you actually see what could have been.
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 22, 2024 12:43:46 GMT
Just pick the bottle size you're comfortable with. If you're male you may find that the dandruff problem goes away with balding. I always find it gives the hair a bad texture. Much prefer Timotei
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 13:25:21 GMT
I mean, unfortunate video choice, but I agree that the proportions are unusual. I noticed Lucanis' head back in the first reveal, for example. I was thinking more recently that they might have wanted to make more people look dwarf-like in keeping with the development of the lore, perhaps? Or maybe they wanted to recreate the popularity of Harding with the other companions. *shrug* I don't know. Lucanis was nicknamed Short King 3 months ago... The preset most used to complain about the body proportion is the blond lady elf who is 1.5 feet shorter than Solas (you can see them side by side in a spoiler memory cutscene). There is zero conspiracy here, just a character creator where you can change the character height and girth.
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Post by Frost on Sept 22, 2024 13:27:43 GMT
Yes, the art style for the characters doesn’t look good. This fix could help.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 13:29:40 GMT
Asmongold lol
The chuds really just throwing anything at the wall at this point.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Sept 22, 2024 13:37:17 GMT
Didn't watch the video but saw something about the head and shoulder size on reddit. Have to agree the proportions look off and it has bothered me for a while without being able to place the problem until demonstrated. Even Kala said something about it in one of her CC videos.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 13:40:28 GMT
Let's get the "Cassandra's male skull" guy on the case.
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Post by danaxe on Sept 22, 2024 13:43:40 GMT
Dear lord can we not focus on the messenger but the message instead? What does it matter if you like asmongold or not, I didn't ask about him in the thread did I? that is totally besides the point. And the real point still stands. There was a very unfortunate choice made by the team and if they had gone with better head to body ratio maybe the first impressions of the trailers wouldn't have been so off to most people. Thank you to those who actually took the time to talk about the message, I didn't know this was something that people had discussed previously. And again, I hope some modder gets to fix it after launch.
Half of the people in this forum is like constantly trying to find stuff to fight about just for the sake of being edgy or whatever. You know the saying, something like: a silent fool sometimes passes for a genius, but a loud one will always look a fool. Sigh.
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Post by duskwanderer on Sept 22, 2024 13:49:44 GMT
Dear lord can we not focus on the messenger but the message instead? What does it matter if you like asmongold or not, I didn't ask about him in the thread did I? that is totally besides the point. And the real point still stands. There was a very unfortunate choice made by the team and if they had gone with better head to body ratio maybe the first impressions of the trailers wouldn't have been so off to most people. Thank you to those who actually took the time to talk about the message, I didn't know this was something that people had discussed previously. And again, I hope some modder gets to fix it after launch. Half of the people in this forum is like constantly trying to find stuff to fight about just for the sake of being edgy or whatever. You know the saying, something like: a silent fool sometimes passes for a genius, but a loud one will always look a fool. Sigh. TBH, I don't have a problem with stylized. I still remember Prey from 2017, and the characters there were distinctly off. And then of course, we have games like Stardew Valley, which don't look realistic by any stretch, and no one complains about it. The problem is when you go for realistic and then you do it wrong.
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Post by danaxe on Sept 22, 2024 13:54:59 GMT
Dear lord can we not focus on the messenger but the message instead? What does it matter if you like asmongold or not, I didn't ask about him in the thread did I? that is totally besides the point. And the real point still stands. There was a very unfortunate choice made by the team and if they had gone with better head to body ratio maybe the first impressions of the trailers wouldn't have been so off to most people. Thank you to those who actually took the time to talk about the message, I didn't know this was something that people had discussed previously. And again, I hope some modder gets to fix it after launch. Half of the people in this forum is like constantly trying to find stuff to fight about just for the sake of being edgy or whatever. You know the saying, something like: a silent fool sometimes passes for a genius, but a loud one will always look a fool. Sigh. TBH, I don't have a problem with stylized. I still remember Prey from 2017, and the characters there were distinctly off. And then of course, we have games like Stardew Valley, which don't look realistic by any stretch, and no one complains about it. For sure. This was very likely deliberate from the character design team as an artistic choice. But after seeing it, I kinda cant unsee it anymore and I really would like to see the smaller heads broader shoulders ratio applied to it. I never took a second look at Neve for example, but seeing her in that video she instantly looks a lot more appealing to me. Same with Lucanis, he looks so much better with broader shoulders.
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Post by jennica on Sept 22, 2024 13:55:44 GMT
Let's get the "Cassandra's male skull" guy on the case. Did Asmongold actually say that or do you mean someone else?
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 13:57:53 GMT
Yes, the issue has been brought up in the skeptics thread too. It's a really weird choice especially since there quite established ways to handle head/body ratios, it's one of the first thing you learn in figure drawing courses. I really hope for modders in that regard too. They can replace heads with chairs for Skyrim, someone will find a way. As you can see, class: greek discus statue good, naked middle-aged but still oddly in really good shape mustachioed 1880s store owner bad. /art ps put bigger boobas on the females
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 13:59:19 GMT
Let's get the "Cassandra's male skull" guy on the case. Did Asmongold actually say that or do you mean someone else? "Cassandra's male skull" Guy was a very special homegrown BSN user of our own. Think he went back all the way to old official BSN iirc and I also saw him plying his 'science'* on the DA reddit sub once lol. Wish I could remember his username. *he had pictures proving it! He was sort of a nerdier pioneer of the TERF practice of accusing ciswomen of being trans
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Post by jennica on Sept 22, 2024 14:02:56 GMT
Did Asmongold actually say that or do you mean someone else? "Cassandra's male skull guy" was a very special homegrown BSN user of our own. Think we went back all the way to old official BSN iirc and I also some him plying his 'science' on the DA reddit sub once lol. Some people are just weird, jfc.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 22, 2024 14:17:21 GMT
Let's get the "Cassandra's male skull" guy on the case. Did Asmongold actually say that or do you mean someone else? The Cassandra skull incident goes back to the BSN Prime days where people were annoyed with DA: Is art style so much that a user used anthropology comparing male and female skulls to “prove” that Cassandra is a man who transitioned into a female. It was….. a thread that had to seen to believed lol. But as for the topic, i do agree it really feels like nitpicking at this point. Heads look fine to me, there are more obvious problems (like the design of the demons) even though I really like the artwork after all. But people bashing BioWare for their artwork isn’t new and it goes way back to the Dragon Age origins days where I remember people complained that the game looked too brown.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 22, 2024 14:31:41 GMT
*he had pictures proving it! Don't remind me. All that stuff still exists in the moderators' sin bin of course... The original poster went by 'Brevnau'. Later incarnations people referred to as 'Not-Brevnau'. I recall how angry David Gaider was about the whole thing. It's too easy to get sucked up into debates like these, which are arguably circular and won't be changing anything. I trust the participants in this discussion will keep things calm. Such discussions have a habit of melting down and then a lock. just saying.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 22, 2024 14:36:20 GMT
*he had pictures proving it! Don't remind me. All that stuff still exists in the moderators' sin bin of course... I recall how angry David Gaider was about the whole thing. It's too easy to get sucked up into debates like these, which are arguably circular and won't be changing anything. I trust the participants in this discussion will keep things calm. Such discussions have a habit of melting down and then a lock. just saying. Ahh! That’s the gif I was thinking of when recalling the thread. I remember the OP being obsessed and trying to prove that Cassandra was a man thanks to Anthropology. And yeah, I do remember Gaiders rant lol.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 22, 2024 14:38:01 GMT
I mean, unfortunate video choice, but I agree that the proportions are unusual. I noticed Lucanis' head back in the first reveal, for example. I was thinking more recently that they might have wanted to make more people look dwarf-like in keeping with the development of the lore, perhaps? Or maybe they wanted to recreate the popularity of Harding with the other companions. *shrug* I don't know. Lucanis was nicknamed Short King 3 months ago... The preset most used to complain about the body proportion is the blond lady elf who is 1.5 feet shorter than Solas (you can see them side by side in a spoiler memory cutscene). There is zero conspiracy here, just a character creator where you can change the character height and girth. It's not a question of height but proportion, and proportion of the size of the head to the body. That said, I'm really not wild about people bringing out charts of idealised body proportions, so I'm not saying bodies need to be ideal, but I think they could be a little more realistic. Or not. As others have said, if it's an artistic decision, so be it.
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