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Post by jennica on Sept 22, 2024 18:49:12 GMT
Yeah, it’s their artistic vision, decision. It’s an odd one but whatever. I don’t love it, personally, I prefer ME Trilogy’s and Inquisition’s style. But I’m embracing it (as if I have a choice). I'm someone who prefers stylized graphics over realistic, but honestly? Yeah, i agree. I don't hate DAVe's art style, but i do dislike certain design choices in this game. And characters in DAVe give me uncanny valley vibes, rather than cartoony. DA2, for example, is also stylized and it doesn't have this problem, likely because charaters are taller than DAVe.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 22, 2024 18:54:01 GMT
Yeah, it’s their artistic vision, decision. It’s an odd one but whatever. I don’t love it, personally, I prefer ME Trilogy’s and Inquisition’s style. But I’m embracing it (as if I have a choice). I'm someone who prefers stylized graphics over realistic, but honestly? Yeah, i agree. I don't hate DAVe's art style, but i do dislike certain design choices in this game. And characters in DAVe give me uncanny valley vibes, rather than cartoony. DA2, for example, is also stylized and it doesn't have this problem, likely because charaters are taller than DAVe.
Exactly. Cartoonish is not even the right word (I’m someone who enjoys and make animated art, as well). DA has always been stylized, even at its most “realistic”. But this is the closest to Uncanny Valley we’ve ever been.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 22, 2024 18:57:05 GMT
Asking for "realistic proportions" is asking for "idealized proportions". I am quite aware of what "idealised proportions" are, we see them every day in all sorts of media, and I am aware that 95% of people do not fall within those parameters. I'd consider those 95% of people realistic. I'm not talking about the CC, but what we see with our companions, especially Lucanis, is not realistic at all; you will probably never see anyone on earth with head/eye proportions that our companions have. It's obviously a design choice, and I accept it as their artistic vision, but I do wish it wasn't so exaggerated. The writer explicitly stated that Lucanis is intended to be a "short king". This is an intentional design choice. I saw the modified photos of him and they basically just gave him super wide shoulders. That's not "realistic proportons". That's someone wanting the man to have wide shoulders. He does not. This isn't even "art style". Lucanis has a big head relative to his body because he has a short lithe frame. People like this exist. As for the custom character, you control the buttons you press. Make your shoulders wider and make your head smaller.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 22, 2024 19:11:41 GMT
The writer explicitly stated that Lucanis is intended to be a "short king". This is an intentional design choice. I saw the modified photos of him and they basically just gave him super wide shoulders. That's not "realistic proportons". That's someone wanting the man to have wide shoulders. He does not. This isn't even "art style". Lucanis has a big head relative to his body because he has a short lithe frame. People like this exist. I've known some short kings. People who are healthy and fit, but short. Their heads were no bigger than others. (Agree though that this guy made Lucanis' shoulders too wide).
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Sept 22, 2024 19:13:13 GMT
The writer explicitly stated that Lucanis is intended to be a "short king". This is an intentional design choice. I saw the modified photos of him and they basically just gave him super wide shoulders. That's not "realistic proportons". That's someone wanting the man to have wide shoulders. He does not. This isn't even "art style". Lucanis has a big head relative to his body because he has a short lithe frame. People like this exist. I've known some short kings. People who are healthy and fit, but short. Their heads were no bigger than others. (Agree though that this guy made Lucanis' shoulders too wide). No people want him to have a "proportional" head size relative to his body compared to others when that's not how head sizes work. Probably the age old American "everyone is over 6 ft tall" problem having never met a Mediterranean man in their life. (Not referring to you specifically)
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Post by SomberXIII on Sept 22, 2024 19:17:10 GMT
Don't remind me. All that stuff still exists in the moderators' sin bin of course... The original poster went by 'Brevnau'. Later incarnations people referred to as 'Not-Brevnau'. I recall how angry David Gaider was about the whole thing. It's too easy to get sucked up into debates like these, which are arguably circular and won't be changing anything. I trust the participants in this discussion will keep things calm. Such discussions have a habit of melting down and then a lock. just saying. Oh yeah originally he was Luzarius, and I used to call him Lulzarious. Good times (not really). Oh I remember the name Brevnau. He was a literal celebrity in the old BSN days. I can't believe I suddenly remembered that name in like 8 years later. Wow.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 22, 2024 19:24:19 GMT
I am quite aware of what "idealised proportions" are, we see them every day in all sorts of media, and I am aware that 95% of people do not fall within those parameters. I'd consider those 95% of people realistic. I'm not talking about the CC, but what we see with our companions, especially Lucanis, is not realistic at all; you will probably never see anyone on earth with head/eye proportions that our companions have. It's obviously a design choice, and I accept it as their artistic vision, but I do wish it wasn't so exaggerated. The writer explicitly stated that Lucanis is intended to be a "short king". This is an intentional design choice. I saw the modified photos of him and they basically just gave him super wide shoulders. That's not "realistic proportons". That's someone wanting the man to have wide shoulders. He does not. This isn't even "art style". Lucanis has a big head relative to his body because he has a short lithe frame. People like this exist. As for the custom character, you control the buttons you press. Make your shoulders wider and make your head smaller. Yeah, but it doesn’t really matter if he’s a short or tall king, queen, princess… his head looks exceptionally large, with a smaller dwarf-like frame - and btw, Lucanis looks good, he’s one of the best-looking companions, a fine biscuit, great character design - BUT it is still slightly disturbing, off-putting, bothersome to the eye, by definition, it’s what Uncanny Valley does. It’s not just a Lucanis thing - it’s across the board, with every character. He just happens to be a good example of it. The shoulder and neck thing isn’t the issue, though it’s been pointed out so much. Just overall proportions, head & body. As for the CC… look, I’d rather embrace the fact that this is the game’s style, and do the best with what we have - than try to create something different, let’s say, ultra-realistic either via the regular CC or with mods - and then have Rook stand out like a sore thumb next to the companions and other characters. That’s going to look just as weird. Ideally, you’d want your character to look like they belong in this world, and since the game’s style isn’t going to magically change overnight, one’s best shot is to just embrace it, appreciate the good and like roll with the punches.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 22, 2024 19:31:10 GMT
I see people are now accusing Asmon's video of grift...
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Post by colfoley on Sept 22, 2024 19:32:43 GMT
I see people are now accusing Asmon's video of grift... OK I wasn't being insane when I thought that looked a little off.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 22, 2024 19:34:04 GMT
I see people are now accusing Asmon's video of grift... Because it's a character creator?
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 22, 2024 19:37:57 GMT
Because it's a character creator? I believe the accusation is that the 'ugly' images have been altered to make the point in the video. Either way, welcome to gaming drama.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 19:39:33 GMT
I see people are now accusing Asmon's video of grift... Because it's a character creator? That Rook is a preset given to players when they advanced them further into the first act. The before in the video was altered from the orginal image (below).
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 22, 2024 19:39:40 GMT
Because it's a character creator? I believe the accusation is that the 'ugly' images have been altered to make the point in the video. Either way, welcome to gaming drama. Well, yeah it's all bullshit.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Sept 22, 2024 19:40:27 GMT
Because it's a character creator? That Rook is a preset given to players when they advanced them further into the first act. The before in the video was altered from the orginal image (below). Isn't the mirror back?
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Sept 22, 2024 19:40:41 GMT
I see people are now accusing Asmon's video of grift... The haters baiting for engagement, they take the worst creations and digitally alter them to make it look even worse. What’s tragic is, some people take it at face value. It’s fake news with a game’s Character Creator. Which is a phrase I never thought I’d say.
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Post by jennica on Sept 22, 2024 19:51:27 GMT
I see people are now accusing Asmon's video of grift... This is so stupid. Whoever created this video (i take it, Asmon simply reacts to someone else's work?) could've literally just made her head smaller and many would still agree with them. But no, they also felt the need to change conventionally attractive woman into Chad for maximum drama.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 22, 2024 19:59:19 GMT
That Rook is a preset given to players when they advanced them further into the first act. The before in the video was altered from the orginal image (below). Isn't the mirror back? Yes, but I haven't seen anyone bother altering the presets, that's precious time lost when you are on the clock.
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Post by DragonKingReborn on Sept 22, 2024 20:14:17 GMT
A couple of posts have been removed.
If one (or more) of your was removed, stop baiting other members.
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Post by biggydx on Sept 22, 2024 21:28:40 GMT
I see people are now accusing Asmon's video of grift... I thought people could already tell it didn't make sense? Honestly, it's stupid that people do this shit. You can have a problem with the stylization choice or wanting more CC option, but why the hell do you have to manipulate images in order to justify your point? Just say it. It's the same thing with people manipulating that one image of Aloy from Horizon: Zero Dawn.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 21:40:04 GMT
That head was definitely not Andrew Loomis-approved, what were they thinking.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 22, 2024 21:42:56 GMT
An Asmongold video and accusations of grifting? I'm shocked. Shocked, I say. (I'm not actually shocked.)
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 22, 2024 21:45:07 GMT
What next, finding gambling in Rick's Cafe?!
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 22, 2024 21:52:51 GMT
A quick check puts the Veilguard human (Neve) proportions at 7.2:1 The average human proportion is 7.5:1, so Veilguard is basically 4% off that. Human models we know are really tall and are typically 8:1, but the Veilguard cast aren't models. A 4% difference is nothing and indistinguishable to the human eye unless you copy/paste something different on top. When something is 15% different people typically notice without putting two things side-by-side. Based on the quick calculations I think the argument is meaningfully unfounded and that the grift accusation is fair.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 22, 2024 21:56:30 GMT
I'm always amused when Science comes to the rescue.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Sept 22, 2024 22:00:11 GMT
I mean it isn't just a few people saying this. Pretty sure that YouTuber stole it from this reddit thread but several artists are in that thread saying the proportions are off from baseline ratios.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/dragonage/comments/1fllp8l/dav_spoilers_are_the_proportions_bothering_anyone/
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