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Post by azarhal on Sept 26, 2024 0:45:35 GMT
I think Epler and co. definitely underestimated how much even just little details like codex entries (or war table missions, although I'm in minority in liking them) make the world feel more fleshed out. Most codices do not references any player choices and Veilguard still has them. And if they put in a codex that could reference a player choices, there are way to go around no overriding any player choices in them. Either by truncating the text or putting smudge on certain sections (both have been done for codex before). For example, they can put in the codex for the 5th Blight vol 1 and only make the first 3 paragraphs readable. And I know there is a codex called "Templar in Nevarra" in Veilguard (I don't know what is written in it, I just saw the name in a stream). It's not like they are going to stop referencing lore from southern Thedas, just because we are up north.
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Post by wickedcool on Sept 26, 2024 0:54:15 GMT
I am first in line for wanting information on my warden or an update on my king choice in orzammar or etc but I’m starting to realize there’s no desire from the current team to go back 15 years On top of that we are in a different country . We barely knew anything about this country in prior games
I think in my opinion the biggest mistake in inquisition was giving my inquisitor the dialogue options with morrigan on the warden and hawke going into weisshaupt if they survived because they got my hopes up and now with no choices the chances have diminished that either will be mentioned
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Post by Liepsnele on Sept 26, 2024 5:39:20 GMT
Why even bring back Morrigan and Varric at this point when they won't mention previous characters and events because the choices were so varied?
Morrigan could be together with male Warden and have a child with him vs making no meaningful connections, having no child, and getting stabbed in the Witch Hunt. Her personality should be different based on these events, just like it was in Inquisition.
Same with Varric, Hawke could be either alive or dead, does that not matter at all? They were friends for years and suddenly Varric will never mention them because that choice doesn't matter.
I'm sure Bioware will consolidate the world states in some way, maybe in their eyes these little things do not matter when the world is on the verge of apocalypse under attack by an unending Reaper, I'm sorry, darkspawn horde.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 26, 2024 6:31:00 GMT
From what I saw about the dialogues, it works much more like DA2 than DAo or DAI. You get a cutscene when they have something to say, but otherwise it doesn't seem like you can talk with companions/npcs when you feel like it and there's a list of random question.
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Post by roselavellan on Sept 26, 2024 6:56:59 GMT
From what I saw about the dialogues, it works much more like DA2 than DAo or DAI. You get a cutscene when they have something to say, but otherwise it doesn't seem like you can talk with companions/npcs when you feel like it and there's a list of random question. Oh, that's unfortunate. DA2 always felt too quiet to me specifically because of that. Something I loved in DAI was doing the rounds and saying hi to the companions just to hear their voices. Surely they will let you spam your LI for dialogue and kisses though?
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Post by yarus on Sept 26, 2024 7:12:05 GMT
Same with Varric, Hawke could be either alive or dead, does that not matter at all? Varric's presence in Inquisition was already more of a hindrance than a boon, and him being the dwarf companion robbed us of Harding. What was the point of retiring him in Trespasser (which was a dumb choice in and of itself - he stole Hawke's Viscount throne) if you're just going to force him into DA4 regardless?
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Sept 26, 2024 7:14:07 GMT
Given what happened to Mythal, does it matter who drank from the well? It could have mattered whether the inquisitor had access to the Knowledge of the well or whether Rook had to get information from Morrigan or somewhere else entirely. It could have mattered whether the inquisitor was geas'd and vulnerable to control from Mythal through Morrigan, Solas, or otherwise, or even from her priests. It could also not matter, they could have Morrigan melon ball the Knowledge out of inqy's head and Mythal (inside Morrigan or otherwise) never use the geas or have it have been broken by what Solas did. Etc. and that would all be fine and reasonable - and very boring. Instead of having cool and interesting consequences you get no consequences. That's whats disappointing. Edit: they've mentioned wanting to focus on reactivity for rook in their story, hopefully all the consequences for their big decisions will happen IN veilguard so we can see cool ones.
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Post by Liepsnele on Sept 26, 2024 7:20:47 GMT
Varric's presence in Inquisition was already more of a hindrance than a boon, and him being the dwarf companion robbed us of Harding. What was the point of retiring him in Trespasser (which was a dumb choice in and of itself - he stole Hawke's Viscount throne) if you're just going to force him into DA4 regardless? That's true, I think he shouldn't have been brought back at all. If Bioware wanted a blank slate then it would have been better to do it with a completely new cast.
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Post by fistoffiori on Sept 26, 2024 7:35:48 GMT
Maybe I'm going to be called mean, but I have an issue with inconsequential cameos. Let's take Andromeda. I found Bain Massani and Cassandra Verner rather forced. Ryder has no connection with Zaeed and Conrad so any story about that is gratuitous and I felt it was. In Veilguard, Rook has no known connection with the past cast of Dragon Age except for Varric and Harding (and via them to Cassandra, Leliana, Josie and Dorian.) Unless they were romanced (you can specify that) We're unlikely to see (because they might be dead) Iron Bull, Blackwall and Cullen. And we're unlikely to see (because they might never have been recruited) Sera, Cole and Vivienne. On the other hand, Tevinter Nights and Vows & Vengeance could be ripe for cameos. Who is ruling in which southern country is irrelevant to the plot. Divine Victoria can be referred to by that name, whoever it is. Kieran is an adult and does not need to be trailing after his mother. Given what happened to Mythal, does it matter who drank from the well? After all that I kind of get why we are where we are. Yeah... Despite the disappointments at lack of choice I do have, I get why they did it. I also get why they won't include 'quantum' characters in the narrative either but I'm sad now I've realised that means someone definitely isn't in the game though I think they should be... Leliana. For some people she was a 'Lyrium Ghost' and faded away, I think that makes her quantum right?
I'm sad that she's likely not going to be there. She and Morrigan are the OGs and basically near enough the franchise's main characters, and to probaby not have Leliana there seems... weird.
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Post by Croatsky on Sept 26, 2024 8:15:22 GMT
Among many things that frustrates me, there's this that is a huge problem.
Inquisitor's nuanced relationship with Solas. Were they friends? Did Solas respect Inquisitor and felt regret? Or could they not stand each other, making it easier for Solas to commit to his plan.
In Trespasser you can be friend with Solas, but then vow to stop him from doing his terrible plan. With Veilguard CC, you don't have this nuanced! Only to save him or stop hip. Does that mean Inqy and Solas will always have bad relationship if vowed to stop? Or will they always be friends no matter what?
This makes me think that relationship between Solas and Inquisitor will not matter in DAVG, not even the romance. Real anchor will be Solas and Varric relationship, Inquisitor will be an afterthought.
All because some marketing research from over a decade ago, BioWare is too terrified of importing feature that is a huge part of their identity.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 26, 2024 8:16:58 GMT
This should hardly be surprising to anyone...especially after how Hawke was handled in DAI. Other than a Solas romance, the who you romanced question in DAI is pointless. My Rook, like my Inquisitor before with Hawke, probably wouldn't know and less likely to care who Inky was banging...save for if they had a intimate relationship with Solas...something you might be able to exploit to stop him. Now I wonder if the Inquisitor will come down to some ending sacrificial choice. Save the Inquisitor / Save Solas.
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Post by Envisionary on Sept 26, 2024 8:24:56 GMT
I still think it's comical. And sad, but mostly comical. The OGB has been a plot line that thousands of players agonized over since 2009 and it carried all the way over to Inquisition. Mythal finally comes to collect, surely this will have dire consequences along with the Well in the next game. 10 years of speculation and arguments go by. LMAO NO FUCK YOU, you guys want $20 cosmetics?
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Post by helios969 on Sept 26, 2024 8:32:10 GMT
DAV. It's a reimagining for the modern audience...something as mythical as the Unicorn.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 26, 2024 8:42:21 GMT
Now I wonder if the Inquisitor will come down to some ending sacrificial choice. Save the Inquisitor / Save Solas. LOL, bye-bye Solas!
DAV. It's a reimagining for the modern audience...something as mythical as the Unicorn. Filthy Gen-Z console casuals with the attention span of a gold fish? (I'm joking, I'm joking!)
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 26, 2024 9:02:01 GMT
Cameos are nice and all, but it has shown in the past that people a. want their characters back but then are unhappy if they're not portrayed as they played them b. are unhappy if a character is not referenced at all c. are unhappy for any other reasons (retconned characters etc.) It's a can of worms Bioware opened from time to time and I can understand why they leave it mostly behind now (some choices are surely questionable for DAV, but I intend to let the game speak for itself, not mad fans prior to release. I want to judge it myself first). I for one am fine with not touching most cameos anymore. I mean, some of the smaller ones like meeting drunk Alistair in DA2 were funny, but if there's no more cameos from now on, I'd also be content. Can't miss what's not there Besides I like making up my own endings for my characters and their LIs, so the less said about them, the better. And people still wanting the HoF back or mentioned is like people hoping for Shepard to be back. Just no. Their story is done... The problem is Morrigans and Inquistiors Cameo in this game. I would be okay with it if they wouldn't be in the game. But with them in the game I want the well to be one consequence of Morrigans change.
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Post by Gileadan on Sept 26, 2024 9:07:15 GMT
This should hardly be surprising to anyone...especially after how Hawke was handled in DAI. Other than a Solas romance, the who you romanced question in DAI is pointless. My Rook, like my Inquisitor before with Hawke, probably wouldn't know and less likely to care who Inky was banging...save for if they had a intimate relationship with Solas...something you might be able to exploit to stop him. Now I wonder if the Inquisitor will come down to some ending sacrificial choice. Save the Inquisitor / Save Solas.Save the Inquisitor or Solas. Oh man, that's a tough one, give me a moment, I just can't choose... "IF YOU DON'T SAVE SOLAS ALL ELVES WILL DIE." Well in that case...
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 26, 2024 9:08:08 GMT
I get people are attached to their romances (raises hand) and what not, but of all the choices they could've brought. Why was the Inquisitor's romance choice one them? When at most they'll get a verbal mention. I get the romance choice and it is importent at least for Solas maybe Dorian as well. What i don't get is the Inquistion disbandment or not. For me both is the same and i would 1000% would take the well over it every day.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 26, 2024 9:25:11 GMT
In Veilguard, Rook has no known connection with the past cast of Dragon Age except for Varric and Harding (and via them to Cassandra, Leliana, Josie and Dorian.) Rook have connection over Antiva with Josie and Zevran, over Tevinter (comics/slavery) with Fenris, over Varric with all Da2 AND dai Companions. I only doesn't expect to see much of them. But non is a bit sad. It doesn't hurt me so.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 26, 2024 9:28:50 GMT
Given what happened to Mythal, does it matter who drank from the well? With the headpiece morrigan has this choice and if Kieran is born or not does matter a lot. Otherwise Morrigan will be another Leliana. That would hurt my likeing of Morrigan and so of DAO and DAI.
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Post by fairdragon on Sept 26, 2024 9:45:52 GMT
This is Kalas opinion on this.
I can't stay as positive as here. This kill the first day positive rewiev on steam from me. I first need to play the game to see the story unfolded and if it is as i fear i need to see if the story is worth getting Morrigan as Leliana 2.0 and DAO and DAI less positive for me.
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Post by ellanathehamster on Sept 26, 2024 9:55:43 GMT
if it does comes down to picking between Inquisitor vs Solas, I wonder how they gonna involve Inq into main storyline. Because it has to be substantial for the new players to care enough about both.
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Post by helios969 on Sept 26, 2024 11:03:37 GMT
This should hardly be surprising to anyone...especially after how Hawke was handled in DAI. Other than a Solas romance, the who you romanced question in DAI is pointless. My Rook, like my Inquisitor before with Hawke, probably wouldn't know and less likely to care who Inky was banging...save for if they had a intimate relationship with Solas...something you might be able to exploit to stop him. Now I wonder if the Inquisitor will come down to some ending sacrificial choice. Save the Inquisitor / Save Solas.Save the Inquisitor or Solas. Oh man, that's a tough one, give me a moment, I just can't choose... " IF YOU DON'T SAVE SOLAS ALL ELVES WILL DIE." Well in that case... That actually would make such a choice meaningful...of course they'll just retcon it for DA5. Lyrium ghost elves for everyone.
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Post by azarhal on Sept 26, 2024 11:28:50 GMT
I get people are attached to their romances (raises hand) and what not, but of all the choices they could've brought. Why was the Inquisitor's romance choice one them? When at most they'll get a verbal mention. I get the romance choice and it is importent at least for Solas maybe Dorian as well. What i don't get is the Inquistion disbandment or not. For me both is the same and i would 1000% would take the well over it every day.
An Inquisition not disbanded is an arm of the Southern Chantry. They have soldiers and resources. The disbanded Inquisition doesn't anymore outside Inqy, Harding, Cassandra, Charter/Leliana holding social parties to gossips once in a while.
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Post by fistoffiori on Sept 26, 2024 11:33:52 GMT
While it's a bit disappointing, I'll not be letting it ruin the experience. Am I having to temper my expectations on who to expect to see? Sure, and that's a shame. The only thing I'm truly disappointed at losing is the Well Drinker choice - John Epler already said Morrigan's in it "more than we expect" so she's more than a cameo, I'm assuming it's canonising her as the Well Drinker (which for my canon continuing throughline of heroes is okay because Morrigan drank, not the Inquisitor I'm bringing across), but if that's the case, it's a shame for players that had the Inquisitor do it. I'm hoping that the lack of quantum characters will mean a higher chance of "definitely alive after trespasser" characters will make it through? - Cassandra: (divine or not)
- Leliana: (divine or not) Despite my concerns in my last post, remembered she was canonised as being alive/around still in Absolution. Plus I also remembered, Lyrium Leliana can 'return', it's implied
- Vivienne: (divine or not)
- Dorian: he's always Magister eventually isn't he?
- Josephine: always returns to Antiva to her family's business interests
- Sera: will be alive somewhere (my canon Inquisitor romanced Sera so there's an increased chance of her, maybe?)
- Cole: Similar to Sera, even if he leaves/is thrown out is around (in some form)
Obviously not banking on their appearances though!
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