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Post by sjsharp2010 on Sept 23, 2024 20:07:06 GMT
Genuinely upsetting if this is actual final product of CC with Inquisitor, really indicates they'll have even less presence in DAVG than Hawke in DAI. I see a lot people blame live service development on social media, but most don't realize that BioWare decided how DAVG will started the moment they finished working on Trespasser DLC. Meaning whole lot of reasoning BioWare devs are making for bunch of major DAI choices not taking effect in DAVG( along with none at all from DAO and DA2) have been decided upon in 2015, when Joplin project started out. Seriously, I'm very frustrated with BioWare being terrified of importing feature they created, especially with Dragon Age! Each game has new protagonist, like any old information can be presented new to both protagonist and player, as well start new relations with old characters and factions. In Mass Effect they committed to importing, especially as it's same protagonist entire trilogy and carrying old relations even to brand new game defaults. And it worked out! Why are they so terrified??? Yes I know about market research how they lose potential sales of new players who feel intimidated they need to play previous titles, but how much did that really effect Mass Effect trilogy? And as I said before, Dragon Age always goes with new protagonist, so it ought to be a less of an issue and yet BioWare seems even more terrified with Dragon Age to commit to importing! It's worth noting that Mass Effect trilogy all came out on the same engine and in relative short time frame from each other. Dragon Age has gone through massive engine changes and long dev cycles, which is always going to make porting over save files more difficult. And while I love the Keep, it really is clunky, so I understand why they wanted to move away from it.
Still, hopefully Luke is onto something and several choices are being held back or haven't been fully implemented yet. That would be a pleasant surprise. Like I said, I don't need a lot. But it'd be nice to touch base on the big decisions, especially when those big decisions involve returning characters.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 23, 2024 20:14:10 GMT
But i don't think that is likely and their are more importent choices i want to show up. Those aren´t important choices like most ones to be fair but it makes your world state different than mine or compared to someone else. And some dwarf (maybe in Kal-Sharok?) could mentioned it like in DAI at the Winter palace. This choice is important enough that people could talk about in a complete different part of Thedas. Ok we do know what the Inquisition choices are so what could possible be the ones from DAO and DA2? If DAO and DA2 has also just 4 well i could imagine that Page 1 is about the Warden / Hawke minus the option to costumize them in the character editor, Page 2 is who was their romance and 3 & 4 now its getting interessting.
For DAO i would guess Page 3 fate of Zevran and Page 4 does Kieran exist?
DA 2 Page 3 Fate of Fenris and Page 4 fate of Anders (or Merrill but i would retcon her death)
Personal i would also have a option if Varric is friends or not with Hawke same as for Inquisitor but this won´t happen.
Edit: Bartrand fate could be interesting for a Varric conversation but i guess he could have died between DAI and Veilguard.
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Post by Mresa on Sept 23, 2024 20:14:57 GMT
I've read a French review, they wrote you could use one hand to count the choices you had with the import function. He asked a dev about it, and was told the devs did that because they wanted newcomers to feel welcomed and not overwhelmed. That sounds like such a lazy excuse.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Sept 23, 2024 20:31:42 GMT
Qunari have never looked worse? It’s nothing. Literal green pots around an area that you hit to restore health like a game in ‘95? It’s retro. Combat completely and utterly being reduced to a so called GoW 2018 clone with a million UI elements? This is revolutionary. Rooks backgrounds sounding identical to one another no matter the faction? It’s flavor text. The voice acting for Neve sounding flat and uninspired? She’s a cynic, fool. The writing seeming very basic and Marvel quip esque? It’s the way Dragon Age is now. The PeeBee like introduction to Bellara? LOL she’s so random. The complete lack of respect and lore of the world in regard to previous entries choices? It’s 2024. They only had a decade to develop this game. Don’t be silly.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 23, 2024 20:59:21 GMT
Looks like a "skeptic" got lost.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 23, 2024 21:07:22 GMT
I haven´t watched the GameRiot Character Customization video before but oh well i don´t see any options for DAO / DAA and DA2.  |
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Post by emissaryoflies on Sept 23, 2024 21:09:43 GMT
Looks like a "skeptic" got lost. Who are you referring to? |
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Looks like a "skeptic" got lost. Who are you referring to? You.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 23, 2024 21:18:40 GMT
To the critics who say the choices also haven´t really mattered in previous games they not complete wrong but also not complete right on this. I personal won´t want to miss small details like the DAI Connor cameo for example which flavors an otherwise vanilia experience.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Sept 23, 2024 21:19:02 GMT
Who are you referring to? You. Then quote me next time. It’s only right that you be direct when you attempt to be snide. |
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Post by yarus on Sept 23, 2024 21:22:08 GMT
But i don't think that is likely and their are more importent choices i want to show up. Those aren´t important choices like most ones to be fair but it makes your world state different than mine or compared to someone else. And some dwarf (maybe in Kal-Sharok?) could mentioned it like in DAI at the Winter palace. This choice is important enough that people could talk about in a complete different part of Thedas. Ok we do know what the Inquisition choices are so what could possible be the ones from DAO and DA2? If DAO and DA2 has also just 4 well i could imagine that Page 1 is about the Warden / Hawke minus the option to costumize them in the character editor, Page 2 is who was their romance and 3 & 4 now its getting interessting.
For DAO i would guess Page 3 fate of Zevran and Page 4 does Kieran exist?
DA 2 Page 3 Fate of Fenris and Page 4 fate of Anders (or Merrill but i would retcon her death)
Personal i would also have a option if Varric is friends or not with Hawke same as for Inquisitor but this won´t happen.
Edit: Bartrand fate could be interesting for a Varric conversation but i guess he could have died between DAI and Veilguard.
The lack of connectivity between DAI and DA4 is disgraceful(not to mention DA2/Origins choices). It's not cost intensive to write a codex entry about a quantum character, and as you said having side characters like those dwarves in the Winter Palace at least acknowledge Origins choices helped the world feel more real.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Sept 23, 2024 21:27:15 GMT
Use the correct thread next time, emissaryoflies. It's only right that you be on-topic when you rant aimlessly about the game and its big bad apologists living rent free.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 23, 2024 21:29:28 GMT
The lack of connectivity between DAI and DA4 is disgraceful(not to mention DA2/Origins choices). It's not cost intensive to write a codex entry about a quantum character, and as you said having side characters like those dwarves in the Winter Palace at least acknowledge Origins choices helped the world feel more real. It seems that Veilguard is more for new players than to players who have played the previous games. And this insane especially for the fact that Inquisition is Bioware most successful game to this day. Do i want that all DA keep choices make a return? Of course not because most stuff aren´t important to this time and places where Veilguard plays. So who cares about the Ostagar prisoner who dies regardless in Origins anyway but on the other hand Kieran i really don´t need him to appear in the game but he should be mentioned by his mother Morrigan atleast in 1-2 of her dialogues. And Rook asking if she had kids is not that personal for a question to ask.
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Post by yarus on Sept 23, 2024 21:35:09 GMT
The lack of connectivity between DAI and DA4 is disgraceful(not to mention DA2/Origins choices). It's not cost intensive to write a codex entry about a quantum character, and as you said having side characters like those dwarves in the Winter Palace at least acknowledge Origins choices helped the world feel more real. It seems that Veilguard is more for new players than to players who have played the previous games. And this insane especially for the fact that Inquisition is Bioware most successful game to this day. Do i want that all DA keep choices make a return? Of course not because most stuff aren´t important to this time and places where Veilguard plays. So who cares about Ostagar prisoner who dies regardless in Origins anyway but Kieran i really don´t need him to appear in the game but he should be mentioned by his mother Morrigan atleast in 1-2 of her dialogues. And Rook asking if she had kids is not that personal for a question to ask. It's also insane because it was the existing playerbase that kept the game alive for an entire decade when Bioware went through self inflicted L after self inflicted L (Anthem, Dragon Age). To deliberately seek new audiences at the expense of pissing off the core playerbase --- I just don't understand the rationale man.
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 23, 2024 21:36:50 GMT
I've read a French review, they wrote you could use one hand to count the choices you had with the import function. He asked a dev about it, and was told the devs did that because they wanted newcomers to feel welcomed and not overwhelmed. That sounds like such a lazy excuse. Yeah that's crap. Its the 4th game in a series. There's a bunch of important background.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 23, 2024 21:39:26 GMT
It seems that Veilguard is more for new players than to players who have played the previous games. And this insane especially for the fact that Inquisition is Bioware most successful game to this day. Do i want that all DA keep choices make a return? Of course not because most stuff aren´t important to this time and places where Veilguard plays. So who cares about Ostagar prisoner who dies regardless in Origins anyway but Kieran i really don´t need him to appear in the game but he should be mentioned by his mother Morrigan atleast in 1-2 of her dialogues. And Rook asking if she had kids is not that personal for a question to ask. It's also insane because it was the existing playerbase that kept the game alive for an entire decade when Bioware went through self inflicted L after self inflicted L (Anthem, Dragon Age). To deliberately seek new audiences at the expense of pissing off the core playerbase --- I just don't understand the rationale man. You know I'm irratated that Bioware will likely ignore Andromeda, and they set Anders to the wayside. But honestly in the grand scheme of things, if it doesn't serve the story for the current game, there's no need to add it in. I was disappointed that most of the keep choices didn't transfer to Inquisition, but it still remained a great game. All it matters, is that the important choices, particularly the ones that'll affect Veilguard will factor into the game.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 23, 2024 21:44:39 GMT
It's also insane because it was the existing playerbase that kept the game alive for an entire decade when Bioware went through self inflicted L after self inflicted L (Anthem, Dragon Age). To deliberately seek new audiences at the expense of pissing off the core playerbase --- I just don't understand the rationale man. It came for from EA i guess its been 10 years since DAI so this game aka Veilguard has to be way more newcomer friendly and also for the Mass Effect crowd a series which EA prefers it over Dragon Age. Ok ok i get the similiar decision in Andromeda but for a whole galaxy (which was still a dumb idea in my opinion) well i get it that none of the ME 1-3 decisions were returning but the game also weird with all of its callback of the Overlord DLC or Dr. Okeer. But Veilguard still takes places in the same world aka Thedas. So why for example can´t Nathaniel not show up at Weisshaupt or Slave Fenris in Tevinter? By the way are different world states besides the Inquisitor ones now basically dead or is the offical answer not per se but they are been ignored?
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Post by q5tyhj on Sept 23, 2024 21:47:34 GMT
It's also insane because it was the existing playerbase that kept the game alive for an entire decade when Bioware went through self inflicted L after self inflicted L (Anthem, Dragon Age). To deliberately seek new audiences at the expense of pissing off the core playerbase --- I just don't understand the rationale man. You know I'm irratated that Bioware will likely ignore Andromeda, and they set Anders to the wayside. But honestly in the grand scheme of things, if it doesn't serve the story, there's no need to add it in. I was disappointed that most of the keep choices didn't transfer to Inquisition but it still remained a great game. All it matters, is that the important choices, particularly the ones that'll affect Veilguard will factor into the game. This is ultimately my attitude, but it is really gratifying to see choices have consequences, and so that's an element I'm going to miss. Especially since making choices and seeing how things play out differently was always so core to the replayability of these games. But its not going to make me not buy it or anything, or even make me significantly less hype. Still, Biovar plx.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 23, 2024 21:50:08 GMT
I don't know, it just sounds like more nitpicking at this point. A lot of the choices that Bioware imported in the ME and DA games ended up being disappointing or buggy to the point where you missed out on dialogue. Personally, I prefer fewer but more impactful choices be imported.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 23, 2024 21:52:16 GMT
But honestly in the grand scheme of things, if it doesn't serve the story, there's no need to add it in. I was disappointed that most of the keep choices didn't transfer to Inquisition but it still remained a great game. All it matters, is that the important choices, particularly the ones that'll affect Veilguard will factor into the game. Jesus this argument again but it "doesn´t serve the story". Jeez you are not wrong in your point of view but also so wrong from my mine.  Does the Alistair cameo in DA2 for example change anything in DA2? Not really because the game has to play the same for the option if Alistair is dead but his presence even if is a small duration of time adds so much flavor to the game.
Veilguard for the first time in the series including Awakening doesn´t have those scenes besides the Inquisitor of course. And this is such a big shame and disappointment as a fan.
Also who cares about Veilguard decisions if they don´t even matter in the next game.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Sept 23, 2024 21:58:11 GMT
To the critics who say the choices also haven´t really mattered in previous games they not complete wrong but also not complete right on this. I personal won´t want to miss small details like the DAI Connor cameo for example which flavors an otherwise vanilia experience. An amazing example of what can be done. His cameo wasn’t remarkable, but it let us know that it mattered in some way what we did games ago. It showed us that they seriously cared about their universe and added immersion to our playthrough. Same thing with seeing Alistair, Anora, or both, or none. Gods the writing was strong then! |
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Post by smilesja on Sept 23, 2024 22:02:27 GMT
But honestly in the grand scheme of things, if it doesn't serve the story, there's no need to add it in. I was disappointed that most of the keep choices didn't transfer to Inquisition but it still remained a great game. All it matters, is that the important choices, particularly the ones that'll affect Veilguard will factor into the game. Jesus this argument again but it "doesn´t serve the story". Jeez you are not wrong in your point of view but also so wrong from my mine. Does the Alistair cameo in DA2 for example change anything in DA2? Not really because the game has to play the same for the option if Alistair is dead but his presence even if is a small duration of time adds so much flavor to the game.
Veilguard for the first time in the series including Awakening doesn´t have those scenes besides the Inquisitor of course. And this is such a big shame and disappointment as a fan.
Also who cares about Veilguard decisions if they don´t even matter in the next game.
The Inquisitor will appear in this game, that's more than enough to satisfy me and it seems how the Inquistion will be like will matter as well. Also Morrigan will appear as well and presumably the choices from Origins and Inquisition factor into her. Honestly, we don't even know what the imports will be like. It feels like we're just panicking over the drops of info we're given. Personally, I'm just waiting until the game releases to see what choices really factor in.
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Post by smilesja on Sept 23, 2024 22:03:14 GMT
To the critics who say the choices also haven´t really mattered in previous games they not complete wrong but also not complete right on this. I personal won´t want to miss small details like the DAI Connor cameo for example which flavors an otherwise vanilia experience. An amazing example of what can be done. His cameo wasn’t remarkable, but it let us know that it mattered in some way what we did games ago. It showed us that they seriously cared about their universe and added immersion to our playthrough. Same thing with seeing Alistair, Anora, or both, or none. Gods the writing was strong then! Are you implying that the devs don't care with this game as well?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Sept 23, 2024 22:07:30 GMT
An amazing example of what can be done. His cameo wasn’t remarkable, but it let us know that it mattered in some way what we did games ago. It showed us that they seriously cared about their universe and added immersion to our playthrough. Same thing with seeing Alistair, Anora, or both, or none. Gods the writing was strong then! Sure today after this horrible news i think different but back then i thought man this just a letdown for Redcliffe as an returning location. A small Connor cameo and a quick King Alistair and / or Queen Anora scene where the Inquisitor can´t even ask things that´s all? Where is on earth is Bella if she is running the tavern?  So yeah i am one of the few fans or the one fan in the world who still misses Bella in DAI. 
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Post by river82 on Sept 23, 2024 22:10:48 GMT
Sorry for the clickbaiting Threadtitle but in my opinion the Inquisition choices aka the Keep replacement is very disappointing.  Is this in game rather than the Keep? Good. Requiring people to go to a completely different website to import in game choices into your game has always been, imo, a terrible concept. As to the number of choices, Dragon Age has been disrespecting player choice for forever (Leliana). It's part of the reason I believe Dragon Age was conceived as a standalone title (the big threat was resolved in a single game for example). I expect it now from this franchise, it's a bit disappointing but they've always felt like standalones with past decisions shoehorned in almost as an afterthought.
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