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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 12, 2024 14:20:13 GMT
I haven't come across a single Lord Of Fortune decoration in 50h, what gives? Super lame. I guess my Rook just likes collecting trinkets of other factions...
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Post by saandrig on Nov 12, 2024 14:56:21 GMT
I haven't come across a single Lord Of Fortune decoration in 50h, what gives? Super lame. I guess my Rook just likes collecting trinkets of other factions... Pack rats. The whole lot of them!
Guess they don't leave plunder just laying around.
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Post by jadedragon on Nov 12, 2024 18:51:59 GMT
I haven't come across a single Lord Of Fortune decoration in 50h, what gives? Super lame. I guess my Rook just likes collecting trinkets of other factions... Literally my biggest issue playing a Lords of Fortune. No Rivani theme or decor for the lighthouse and if you notice about the armors their is very few lords of fortune armor probably the least out of every faction. The armor that comes in different color variants like Blacksteel being Tevinter or Neverran material etc, you'll notice the Lords or Rivani are not represented not once. And the Rank 4 armor for Lords both the actually Armor and cosmetic armor are both Crow faction gear. As a Rivani Mage it would've been nice to bring up Rivani Seers. Even if Taash questline revolving around Qunari or Rivani culture I felt my LoF wasn't given options to really show Taash or talk to her more about Rivani culture. The faction Hub only has 1 npc to talk to and the faction overall has 0 impact on the story so far outside of providing a dragon hunter and of course yourself. Luckily playing a Spellblade gave me some Mage reactivity. I didn't notice my Rook mentioning to Taash they was a former slave maybe I didn't notice but hopefully I picked another option for my Rook as playing as a former slave wasn't on my RP agenda for my Rook. I'd say if anyone wants the most out of Lords of Fortune playing as another race outside of Human and a Mage if available feels like those race and class reactivity would help balance out the lack of faction reactivity with the Lords. That said though it's really sad because I am enjoying playing my Rook as a Stern with occasional Sarcasm and Jokes, my Rook does feel like a LoF personality wise and the few times I get a LoF reaction it feels great. But I can also count on 1 hand how many times I actually fought mercenaries and I am nearly max level on my first run. To get this faction so late it wasn't given enough to composite compared to the Mourn Watch. Long story short, LoF is a faction where alot of your immersion and roleplay is going to feel more be more in your headcanon as far as actually what's presented in the game is heavily unrepresented and I feel for the most immersive experience would be to play it as a Elven(especially with the former slave option being a thing) Mage since your race will keep you grounded to the plot and your class reactivity is decent enough with other events and characters.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 12, 2024 19:01:40 GMT
I haven't come across a single Lord Of Fortune decoration in 50h, what gives? Super lame. I guess my Rook just likes collecting trinkets of other factions... That’s sort of on brand for the LoF actually… 😃
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 12, 2024 19:24:52 GMT
I haven't come across a single Lord Of Fortune decoration in 50h, what gives? Super lame. I guess my Rook just likes collecting trinkets of other factions... That’s sort of on brand for the LoF actually… 😃 Sure, you can spin it that way. Not sure though that's the reason. Also shows that they don't even have enough of their own culture in the game? So I don't even know what a LoF trinket would be. The game has no interest whatsoever in delving into that faction OR Rivaini culture.
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Post by parsival on Nov 12, 2024 19:27:39 GMT
I haven't come across a single Lord Of Fortune decoration in 50h, what gives? Super lame. I guess my Rook just likes collecting trinkets of other factions... There's a massive, super-cool Dragon skull you can set up above the caretaker upgrade store - that's very LoF.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 12, 2024 19:33:14 GMT
I haven't come across a single Lord Of Fortune decoration in 50h, what gives? Super lame. I guess my Rook just likes collecting trinkets of other factions... There's a massive, super-cool Dragon skull you can set up above the caretaker upgrade store - that's very LoF. Ah true. I was thinking about Rook's room, forgot about THAT.
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Post by jadedragon on Nov 12, 2024 23:27:13 GMT
I haven't come across a single Lord Of Fortune decoration in 50h, what gives? Super lame. I guess my Rook just likes collecting trinkets of other factions... There's a massive, super-cool Dragon skull you can set up above the caretaker upgrade store - that's very LoF. I'm actually using that myself unfortunately it's the only real one. Would've been cool to at least include Qunari theme if they wasn't gonna do Rivani or Lords themes for the lighthouse.
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Post by Anaan on Nov 13, 2024 1:24:05 GMT
I voted for the Grey Wardens, the Shadow Dragons and the Mourn Watch, based on current playthroughs. This is the scene I mentioned earlier, Rook walked in on her talking to Emmrich.
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Post by merane on Nov 13, 2024 11:26:40 GMT
Reznore So it seems that you can be a warden and a Dalish but you should not choose the tattoo option in the mirror. If you choose the option in the mirror, it will just say that you got this tattoo in homage to the Dalish, not that you are one.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 16:39:49 GMT
It was only weak early act 1 because they needed Harding to exposition to you and had Warden Rook ask a Blight question that made me go WTF To be fair Rook is just asking her if she's seen anything like this blight before. It's perfectly reasonable given that she was part of the Inquisition.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 16:43:58 GMT
Keeping in mind that every Elf is assumed to be a Dalish origin elf and that a city elf can't be seemingly played. a lot of "our gods" autodialogue. "Our gods" is just how an elven Rook describes "elven gods" and that description is pretty ambiguous regarding how Rook themselves perceives it. Whether or not you believe in them (Dalish or City), they still *are* your original pantheon. However, an elf saying "elven gods" is much less ambiguous in Rook's relationship with the pantheon. It's hard to read it as anything other than disbelief.
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Post by phoray on Nov 13, 2024 16:46:39 GMT
"Our gods" is just how an elven Rook describes "elven gods" and that description is pretty ambiguous regarding how Rook themselves perceives it, since whether or not you believe in them, they still *are* your original pantheon This argument is weak. As an atheist raised christian, I don't say "our god." I say, "The christian god" or "the abrahamic god" to help distinguish it from other gods of the other 100 religions that exist in our world. Bioware could have changed every line to "the elven gods" but they chose not to. Honestly, I don't know why you're defending it other than because you think I'm one of those assholes determined to hate the game. This game hit me with "our gods" in the first ten hours. Way before the game had made me angry and sad about 40 story hours in. Maybe NOW you could say I'm just pissed off and bitching about things, but you can't say it about the me, 65 hours ago, that was still excited about the game. It bothered me then, greatly, because I'd look forward to playing a City Elf. I could have been right there with Harding going, what does this mean about Andraste? And then just because I have pointy ears, I get what I got.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 13, 2024 16:59:27 GMT
"Our gods" is just how an elven Rook describes "elven gods" and that description is pretty ambiguous regarding how Rook themselves perceives it, since whether or not you believe in them, they still *are* your original pantheon This argument is weak. As an atheist raised christian, I don't say "our god." I say, "The christian god" or "the abrahamic god" to help distinguish it from other gods of the other 100 religions that exist in our world. Bioware could have changed every line to "the elven gods" but they chose not to. You can choose to be Christian or non-Christian. You can't choose to be an elf. This is the difference here. Elven God -> Our God if an elf It has nothing to do with faith. Furthermore, whether or not you believe in them, as an elf they are part of your history. They *were* your gods at some point. It's normal to continue to refer to them in the possessive even if you don't believe in them.... and you shouldn't. In fact the game is pretty clear in telling you that the elves who see what's happening don't believe in them anymore.
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Post by theascendent on Nov 13, 2024 21:27:08 GMT
Considering we begin and end the game in Minrathous and certain characters have a heavy connection to the Shadow Dragons, it makes the most sense to me.
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Post by parsival on Nov 14, 2024 10:25:08 GMT
There's a massive, super-cool Dragon skull you can set up above the caretaker upgrade store - that's very LoF. Ah true. I was thinking about Rook's room, forgot about THAT. I also just found a bowl of precious gems as decor for Rook's room - bought it from a street vendor in Minrathous.
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Post by parsival on Nov 17, 2024 10:31:52 GMT
I'm starting to wonder whether the Lords of Fortune might not be the most 'realistic' option. Who else would spend so much time searching every nook and cranny for chests and loot while the world is at imminent risk of destruction? Gold and glory!
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Nov 17, 2024 23:02:38 GMT
On the topic of immersion and reactivity: am I correct in thinking that this game has no unique human-specific dialogue at all? Inquisition had some because Trevelyan has their own background separate from the other three, but as far as I've heard all the lineage options for Rook are elf, dwarf or Qunari.
(I mean, good news for me if so! I can skip humans - at least until I get around to my Whoops All Humans world state - and play the lineages I find more interesting.)
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Post by phoray on Nov 17, 2024 23:11:34 GMT
(I mean, good news for me if so! I can skip humans - at least until I get around to my Whoops All Humans world state - and play the lineages I find more interesting.) I played a human and no reference was made even once to my being human.
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Post by rocketpineapple on Nov 18, 2024 4:12:31 GMT
On the topic of immersion and reactivity: am I correct in thinking that this game has no unique human-specific dialogue at all? Inquisition had some because Trevelyan has their own background separate from the other three, but as far as I've heard all the lineage options for Rook are elf, dwarf or Qunari. (I mean, good news for me if so! I can skip humans - at least until I get around to my Whoops All Humans world state - and play the lineages I find more interesting.) My main world state is Whoops All Humans...yeah, nothing unique for that. I enjoyed being able to leverage Trevalyan nobility or affirm my religious beliefs in Inquisition, but the only unique dialogue in Veilguard I ever got outside of Mourn Watch options was when I could tell Taash that I liked being a woman. I should redo that Rook as a dwarf sometime.
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Post by jadedragon on Nov 18, 2024 19:20:57 GMT
On the topic of immersion and reactivity: am I correct in thinking that this game has no unique human-specific dialogue at all? Inquisition had some because Trevelyan has their own background separate from the other three, but as far as I've heard all the lineage options for Rook are elf, dwarf or Qunari. (I mean, good news for me if so! I can skip humans - at least until I get around to my Whoops All Humans world state - and play the lineages I find more interesting.) That was my fear when they made all the Rooks have the same surname. I didn't trust that they would be able to have all the racial characters have the same background but honor the cultures the races come from. Once I noticed all Shadow Dragon humans even if a mage come froma non mage family via adoption I knew instead of any RP as a Mage Noble which would feel more human exclusive I knew the racial reactions would take a back burner. Honestly the way all the backgrounds and origins for Rook is setup honestly all around fits a Elf Rook the best. Human culture is to tied to each individual country and our countries took a back bunner to the factions.
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Post by Dukemon on Nov 21, 2024 10:08:23 GMT
My Marcantonio was an antivan crow. The first character was still interesting enough for me to like him. It lacked dialogue options to be able to kill some characters in dialogues, simply because the crow is capable of it. Unfortunately, the crow's background is limited to the fact that he knew the people in Treviso. As far as I remember, there were maybe 2 dialogues for the Wardens that could be supplemented with the crow status. But nothing more. Lucanis talks at the beginning about things getting political and bloody. Not even with my crow did any of this really materialise. Actually, a ‘roleplay game’ shouldn't leave me wondering how my character even managed his life before, let alone could do what is described in the backstory. Veilguard fails at the simple things. Since none of the prequels dealt with the crows, it would have been up to Veilguard to explain what warriors and mages do with the crows, how they can ascend to crows. How did the Circle of Antiva City differ from the other covens? Will the crows need a mage? Certainly, but for what exactly? How do other crows encounter their fellow mages? How did the crows get a mage? What have chantry and templars to say about that? The most interesting thing is the blade mage, which is only used for gameplay. Not to mention the different races. Human, city elf is explainable. Qunari? They're pretty conspicuous at first. I like my Marcantonio. A crow doesn't equal socially inept outside of contracts. The crows are also the only faction that does not blame its member for the situation. The Antaam were already there before. The old elven mages had nothing to do with it. Getting them out of Antiva, Rivain and Tevinter would have been far more politically, culturally and socially interesting than this GodOfWar story. Because the release of the elven mages was due to Sola waving his ritual dagger around like a madman. Plus his flood of demons.
The Grey Warden can take Julius. Why can't the crow at least kill the mayor before they leave him? Either as a punishment or to free the mayor from his point of view. Different scenes of how Julius is killed depending on the class. In the banters, a crow Rook sometimes joins in. Otherwise, Rook is completely incompetent and I continue to wonder how he could become a crow and carry out the event in his backstory. Let alone what competence he has as a mage. In Origins Warden Mage could explain Demons to Non-Mage folks! Mages were always the most exciting class in Dragon Age because they were socially and culturally special. This is completely missing without anything changing in the world setting, even the one Bioware chose.
My Rango Thorne is about to start the final and that's where it will stay for a while. I have no motivation to go through the finale again. So far I've only saved Treviso, my shadow dragon will also save Treviso, because I want to know how that goes down. Especially as the crows seem more capable to me than the shadow dragons, even if I'm probably still playing with the old image and reputation of the crows from the predecessors.
Rango as a Warden was pretty well involved in all quests that had to do with the Wardens up to that point, he was able to act more independently without Davrin in the group. I bought his background more. But it wasn't much more expensive either. In comparison, Rango's background had more significance and possibilities than my Marcantonio, who, as I said, I somehow prefer. I wanted to mention that Veilguard's gameplay completely shits on the background bonuses that every faction should have, but especially the Grey Wardens. The Thornes should have been entitled to 2 or 3 ability points at the beginning. Shadow Dragons, Crows, and probably also a Mourning Guard (not yet played, but his craft also requires competence somewhere) would have needed 1 point at the beginning to somehow explain the background and effect on his ability in combat. But Grey Wardens a few more points, because Veilguard keeps talking about the Wardens still getting their power from Blight and it being their curse at the same time. Not much has changed about them since Inquisition. Rook had also fought his battles as a Warden before he met Varric.
Let's see what my Volkan Mercar has to say. A Tevinter mage (Qunari or human) growing up in a non-magic military family. The game development management must have done something wrong to leave this narrative potential untapped. There is no other explanation. A Tevinter mage, in a military family... And they don't do anything with it...
Crows, Wardens and Shadow Dragons would still be interesting for a Qunari run. Then my curiosity, which doesn't want to be put off by the confusion of Veilguard, will probably be satisfied. After that, however, I'll want to go back to a new Amell to feel completely at ease again.^^
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Post by mattjamho on Nov 21, 2024 10:24:54 GMT
Part of the fun for me in replaying these games is seeing all the small differences in how the game reacts to your character. I played a human/warden/mage and got a lot of unique choices. I imagine, for this game in particular, playing an elf/warden/mage would produce the most in terms of dialogue options. I’ll add it to the playthrough list
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Post by fistoffiori on Nov 21, 2024 10:35:29 GMT
I did read (not just here) that Warden is most immersive. When I do another playthrough eventually I'll play a Warden!
I did like that my Shadow Dragon already knew Tarquin when they first see Tarquin and Viper in Minrathous, and knows about (and basically looks up to) Dorian and Mae.
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Post by VARMAELEN on Nov 21, 2024 10:40:49 GMT
TOTAL GREY WARDEN VICTORY.
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