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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 9, 2016 11:11:17 GMT
I love Elder Scrolls in general, my favorite is Morrowind like a lot of people I think, but I'm also somewhat partial to Oblivion. Oblivion had its issues but was a solid game for a modern ES.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Aug 9, 2016 12:34:35 GMT
Hence "Especially with a Dragonborn." It's true that the Empire is pretty weak, but so is Skyrim. If I have to pick either as a viable contender to fight the Dominion under the leadership of a Dragonborn, the winner is Cyrodiil. More land, more arable land, more people, and an organized, professional military that forces the Dominion to project power with agents rather than armies. Forget High Rock in this (they'll work with whichever side wins, such is Breton pragmatism). Cyrodiil was a mess during the First Era and during the Interregnum, but its overwhelming economic power and huge population allowed it to bounce back time and time again. If Reman could take Cyrodiil and create a superpower, why can't the Last Dragonborn (who in terms of power is more akin to Hjalti than Reman)? It's true that they could probably make Skyrim alone a superpower as well, but I'd rather bet on a combined Empire of Cyrodiil, High Rock, and a weak Skyrim and Morrowind as opposed to just Skyrim with Breton allies. Both sides ultimately want to destroy the Thalmor and repeal the Concordat to reestablish Talos worship, so I feel as though the Empire is the more efficient option to do so. Cyrodiil does indeed have a professional army, true. But how many legions did they lose, when they gave up Hammerfell? How many when they abandoned Morrowind during the Oblivion crysis? How many when Alinor and subsequently Valenwood and Elsweyr receded? And how many more did they lose in the battle against the Thalmor itself? How many Nords heeded the Call of Ulfric? What about Orsinium? The Legion as a whole is a shadow of its former self. And no, the Thalmor aren´t operating through agents because they fear the "Might" of the Empire. They are operating through agents only because the war cost them as much manpower as it did the Empire. The war was costly also financially and is the sole reason why the Empire clinges so heavily onto Skyrim. It needs its silvermines! We don´t know much about the financial state of the Aldmeri Dominion. But we can make guesses. They lost 2 wars. The one against the Empire and the other against Hammerfell. We do know, that the AD is in no fighting shape for the time being. I wouldn´t be surprised if their coffers are just as empty as the Empires. Even moreso considering the fact that Hammerfell has a longstanding history of using Piracy as a means to subdue their enemies. But there is more. The Elder Council itself. The DB questline strongly suggests that atleast some of the members of the EC are actively conspiring to kill Titus Mede II. The question is why. There are multiple possibilities for it. One is to simply get Titus off the throne and get someone on it, that is far more competent. Another is, that someone in the EC is working with the Thalmor. A third is that the EC is disgruntled with decisions made, such as letting Hammerfell go. In any case, neither the EC nor the Throne are as stable as they appear. And then there is this: "The Emperor is getting old. Don't know how much longer he'll hang on. So is the whole Empire, for that matter. Getting old, that is. The Emperor and the legions have held the Empire together for hundreds of years. It's been a good thing, by and large. But maybe it's time for a change. Time for something young and new. What? No idea. Because I'm old. Old dog doesn't get new ideas. But maybe young folks like you should try some new ideas. I don't know. Could be messy. But change is never pretty."
SourceSo maybe an independent Skyrim isn´t such a bad idea. For example, Hammerfell is more likely to flock to Ulfrics banner than it is to the Empires. Morrowind, most likely the same. Especially given the fact, they handed Solstheim to them after the Red Year. Orcs, I don´t know tbh. It could go either way. Highrock? If Skyrim manages to ally with Hammerfell and Morrowind, then definitely yes. Otherwise, they play the waiting game. Black Marsh? Doubtful. Cyrodiil? Yes. Because otherwise they would definitely be near alone. But would Skyrim reach out to Cyrodiil? Yes, they would. Ulfrics quarrel isn´t with the Empire per se, it´s with the White Gold Concordat and the Thalmor. Enemy of my enemy and all that. TL;DR: The Empire is dead. The Septim bloodline is severed. Cyrodiil in the past 200 years was no beacon of stability and for as long as the AD remains, it won´t be. Cyrodiil is militarily and financially weakened. There is at the very least discontent within the Elder Council. Skyrim on the other hand is, despite being basically divided at the beginning of the game, going strong. Trade agreements between Jarls are still upheld. It has vast riches in silver, and gold btw. TL;DR: The Empire has nowhere near the strength you claim it to have. I didn't claim that the Empire is strong, but my claim is instead that Cyrodiil has a capacity to be more powerful than Skyrim, province vs province, and if the Empire can somehow hold (and I don't see an overwhelming reason against this because of its structural foundations). Skyrim's mineral resources are great, but superb farmland and a big population are even better. That's what allows the Cyrodilics to bounce back from military weakness so quickly as they have previously done, especially against the likes of the Altmer. They breed faster than the Altmer do, and within a single generation are in a much better position to go to war than the Altmer are (this is of course likewise true for Skyrim, although Skyrim's likely smaller population and weaker agricultural production don't put it on the same level). Again, going back to something I've mentioned, I think each faction can beat the Thalmor - I just think the Empire's the better option of the two. The Dominion's documents indicate that they shudder at the idea of a reunited Empire or even an independent Skyrim. As bad of shape as a post-Civil War, post-Forsworn, post-Dragon Crisis Skyrim may be, that says a lot about the situation the Dominion is in. However weakened either state's military capacity is, they can replenish their numbers much more quickly than Alinor can. As for the Elder Council, I think the best evidence we can find for their purpose in going after Titus II is going by what we know: the White-Gold Concordat is extremely unpopular. Ulfric is particularly vehement about not wanting to give up on Talos and the Redguards claimed that the Dominion could be beaten if the Empire would just hold on. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that the Elder Council wants to install someone who's more respectful of vassals' opinions. Titus II made an unpopular decision that destabilized the entire region and improved the Dominion's strength at the Empire's expense. No surprise then that his Council dislikes him so much. That said, asking who's better equipped to defeat the Dominion is mostly hypothetical. I think the most likely situation in the next game, going by how Bethesda framed everything in Skyrim, is that the Empire is dead no matter what the LDB does and we're either in a position where the Thalmor control everything because reasons, or many of Tamriel's nations end up getting along without a central authority keeping them in line. As a sidenote: I've never liked the retcon where Skyrim says that the Legions abandoned Morrowind, because in Oblivion, the Legions selflessly defending the other provinces is the explicit reason why the Champion of Cyrodiil has to rally the feudal Counts' personal armies into a single fighting force. Never made much sense to me.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2016 13:42:28 GMT
I got thrown in jail once for murdering someone for the dark brotherhood...
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'oh yes the imperial dressed in dark brotherhood uniform who just shot a civilian in the back of the head with a poisoned bow obviously isnt a threat because she put her bow away'
Im not a master criminal or anything
... I also stole a cabbage once by mistake but no one noticed
I havent met a Thalmor yet but I know who they are You will meet them soon enough when you follow the main quests then you will also know where their Embassy is . Shhhhhh Im gonna kill them all
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Post by Patricia on Aug 9, 2016 13:55:34 GMT
You will meet them soon enough when you follow the main quests then you will also know where their Embassy is . Shhhhhh Im gonna kill them all Okay i will be quiet shhhh . Well you're already in disguise .
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 9, 2016 14:51:32 GMT
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Post by Urizen on Aug 9, 2016 15:37:44 GMT
I didn't claim that the Empire is strong, but my claim is instead that Cyrodiil has a capacity to be more powerful than Skyrim, province vs province, and if the Empire can somehow hold (and I don't see an overwhelming reason against this because of its structural foundations). Skyrim's mineral resources are great, but superb farmland and a big population are even better. That's what allows the Cyrodilics to bounce back from military weakness so quickly as they have previously done, especially against the likes of the Altmer. They breed faster than the Altmer do, and within a single generation are in a much better position to go to war than the Altmer are (this is of course likewise true for Skyrim, although Skyrim's likely smaller population and weaker agricultural production don't put it on the same level). Which province is more powerful is debatable. And the Empires structural foundations are in ruins. There is a lot of infighting going on in the Elder Council. Who said it? I don´t remember anymore. Might even have been the Emperor himself. So politically speaking, the Empire is not as stable as it appears to be. And yes, mineral riches are one thing. But Skyrim has plenty of farmland. Hell, there are even farms run in the snowy norths of it. And Skyrim can bounce back just as fast as Cyrodiil. After all, they are Men too. Now throw in that both Nibenians and Colovians are more renowned for their speechcraft than they are for their swordsmanship contrary to Nords, who are renowned warriors and in fact made up the majority of the Imperial Legion across all provinces and all of a sudden it doesn´t look as good anymore for Cyrodiil. Again, going back to something I've mentioned, I think each faction can beat the Thalmor - I just think the Empire's the better option of the two. The Dominion's documents indicate that they shudder at the idea of a reunited Empire or even an independent Skyrim. As bad of shape as a post-Civil War, post-Forsworn, post-Dragon Crisis Skyrim may be, that says a lot about the situation the Dominion is in. However weakened either state's military capacity is, they can replenish their numbers much more quickly than Alinor can. Which faction is ultimately the better option to beat the Thalmor is too subjective too argue. And the Thalmor are known for being patient and long term schemers. When they first presented the WGC, they knew full well, that the Empire wouldn´t agree to the terms. Reason: see above about Nords making up the Majority of the Legion. Their plan was divide and conquer right from the getgo. As for the Elder Council, I think the best evidence we can find for their purpose in going after Titus II is going by what we know: the White-Gold Concordat is extremely unpopular. Ulfric is particularly vehement about not wanting to give up on Talos and the Redguards claimed that the Dominion could be beaten if the Empire would just hold on. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that the Elder Council wants to install someone who's more respectful of vassals' opinions. Titus II made an unpopular decision that destabilized the entire region and improved the Dominion's strength at the Empire's expense. No surprise then that his Council dislikes him so much. It may be extremely unpopular, but everyone knew right from the start, that it was temporary. Titus Mede II bought precious time for the Empire to recover. Which is evident when you talk to people. The Empire never enforced the rules of the WGC, until Ulfric started to make a stink of it. That´s when the Empire came crushing down on Skyrim, with the Thalmor in tow. So I fail to see the reason for the ECs plot solely to be the WGC. A much more likely reason: the Thalmor. They are masters of subterfuge and sowing unrest. Because, believe it or not, it is completely unclear whether Titus Mede II had heirs or not. Unlike for example in Oblivion, where the first thing you hear, is that the Emperors sons are dead. That said, asking who's better equipped to defeat the Dominion is mostly hypothetical. I think the most likely situation in the next game, going by how Bethesda framed everything in Skyrim, is that the Empire is dead no matter what the LDB does and we're either in a position where the Thalmor control everything because reasons, or many of Tamriel's nations end up getting along without a central authority keeping them in line. Most likely scenario: Ulfric and Tullius dead, as they both can die. Titus Mede II dead. Jarl Elisif the fair High Queen of Skyrim ( who we know to be a staunch Empire supporter ). So Skyrim will most likely still be a part of the Empire. As a sidenote: I've never liked the retcon where Skyrim says that the Legions abandoned Morrowind, because in Oblivion, the Legions selflessly defending the other provinces is the explicit reason why the Champion of Cyrodiil has to rally the feudal Counts' personal armies into a single fighting force. Never made much sense to me. Yeah. But what we don´t know is whether Martins sacrifice closed all Oblivion gates in an instant or if they remained open for an extended period of time. There are arguments for both. So it´s quite possible that Ocato recalled them afterwards, while there were Gates still open. Another possibility, Legion after Legion was wiped out, with the Daedra moving into and using the now abandoned camps, which looked for the Dunmer like they had left in a hurry. Also note: the Oblivion Crisis lasted several months. And we all know how regular troops fared against Daedra.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Aug 9, 2016 16:49:44 GMT
I didn't claim that the Empire is strong, but my claim is instead that Cyrodiil has a capacity to be more powerful than Skyrim, province vs province, and if the Empire can somehow hold (and I don't see an overwhelming reason against this because of its structural foundations). Skyrim's mineral resources are great, but superb farmland and a big population are even better. That's what allows the Cyrodilics to bounce back from military weakness so quickly as they have previously done, especially against the likes of the Altmer. They breed faster than the Altmer do, and within a single generation are in a much better position to go to war than the Altmer are (this is of course likewise true for Skyrim, although Skyrim's likely smaller population and weaker agricultural production don't put it on the same level). Which province is more powerful is debatable. And the Empires structural foundations are in ruins. There is a lot of infighting going on in the Elder Council. Who said it? I don´t remember anymore. Might even have been the Emperor himself. So politically speaking, the Empire is not as stable as it appears to be. And yes, mineral riches are one thing. But Skyrim has plenty of farmland. Hell, there are even farms run in the snowy norths of it. And Skyrim can bounce back just as fast as Cyrodiil. After all, they are Men too. Now throw in that both Nibenians and Colovians are more renowned for their speechcraft than they are for their swordsmanship contrary to Nords, who are renowned warriors and in fact made up the majority of the Imperial Legion across all provinces and all of a sudden it doesn´t look as good anymore for Cyrodiil. Again, going back to something I've mentioned, I think each faction can beat the Thalmor - I just think the Empire's the better option of the two. The Dominion's documents indicate that they shudder at the idea of a reunited Empire or even an independent Skyrim. As bad of shape as a post-Civil War, post-Forsworn, post-Dragon Crisis Skyrim may be, that says a lot about the situation the Dominion is in. However weakened either state's military capacity is, they can replenish their numbers much more quickly than Alinor can. Which faction is ultimately the better option to beat the Thalmor is too subjective too argue. And the Thalmor are known for being patient and long term schemers. When they first presented the WGC, they knew full well, that the Empire wouldn´t agree to the terms. Reason: see above about Nords making up the Majority of the Legion. Their plan was divide and conquer right from the getgo. As for the Elder Council, I think the best evidence we can find for their purpose in going after Titus II is going by what we know: the White-Gold Concordat is extremely unpopular. Ulfric is particularly vehement about not wanting to give up on Talos and the Redguards claimed that the Dominion could be beaten if the Empire would just hold on. If I had to venture a guess, I'd say that the Elder Council wants to install someone who's more respectful of vassals' opinions. Titus II made an unpopular decision that destabilized the entire region and improved the Dominion's strength at the Empire's expense. No surprise then that his Council dislikes him so much. It may be extremely unpopular, but everyone knew right from the start, that it was temporary. Titus Mede II bought precious time for the Empire to recover. Which is evident when you talk to people. The Empire never enforced the rules of the WGC, until Ulfric started to make a stink of it. That´s when the Empire came crushing down on Skyrim, with the Thalmor in tow. So I fail to see the reason for the ECs plot solely to be the WGC. A much more likely reason: the Thalmor. They are masters of subterfuge and sowing unrest. Because, believe it or not, it is completely unclear whether Titus Mede II had heirs or not. Unlike for example in Oblivion, where the first thing you hear, is that the Emperors sons are dead. That said, asking who's better equipped to defeat the Dominion is mostly hypothetical. I think the most likely situation in the next game, going by how Bethesda framed everything in Skyrim, is that the Empire is dead no matter what the LDB does and we're either in a position where the Thalmor control everything because reasons, or many of Tamriel's nations end up getting along without a central authority keeping them in line. Most likely scenario: Ulfric and Tullius dead, as they both can die. Titus Mede II dead. Jarl Elisif the fair High Queen of Skyrim ( who we know to be a staunch Empire supporter ). So Skyrim will most likely still be a part of the Empire. As a sidenote: I've never liked the retcon where Skyrim says that the Legions abandoned Morrowind, because in Oblivion, the Legions selflessly defending the other provinces is the explicit reason why the Champion of Cyrodiil has to rally the feudal Counts' personal armies into a single fighting force. Never made much sense to me. Yeah. But what we don´t know is whether Martins sacrifice closed all Oblivion gates in an instant or if they remained open for an extended period of time. There are arguments for both. So it´s quite possible that Ocato recalled them afterwards, while there were Gates still open. Another possibility, Legion after Legion was wiped out, with the Daedra moving into and using the now abandoned camps, which looked for the Dunmer like they had left in a hurry. Also note: the Oblivion Crisis lasted several months. And we all know how regular troops fared against Daedra. The Colovians are a militaristic people cut from the same cloth as Nords (actually, they have a lot of mutual heritage with them, they just favor equestrian warriors and salaried infantry to barbarians and men-at-arms). Reman, Varen Aquilarios, Cuhlecain, Lord Richton and Titus I are all examples of Colovians. Traditionally, their membership in the Legion has always been sizeable. About the Legion and its composition, that's something else about Skyrim's backstory that I didn't like. The Empire had Cyrodiil, Skyrim, High Rock, Hammerfell and the weakened Morrowind, as well as the majority of Orsimer. Oblivion Crisis or not, that's not only the overwhelming majority of Tamriel's population, that's also pretty much all of its warrior cultures. It never made much sense to me that the Dominion would be able to fight the Empire to a stalemate. The Dominion's insistence on avoiding a fight with Skyrim or the Empire suggests that they're in a very weak position but there's never much evidence given to that. I wish they had done a little more with that in Skyrim. On the WGC: it's not that any of it was shocking, it's that it was an unnecessary agreement that served no beneficial purpose. The Empire didn't need a breather because the Dominion had less provinces, less manpower, and less economic strength. The longer the Great War went on, the more damage it would do to the Dominion. In addition, it's an offensive war on the Dominion's part, and it requires them to make greater expenditures. When Hammerfell alone was able to repel the Dominion, it proved how worthless the WGC really was. It didn't buy the Empire time, and that's why the Dominion was insistent that Titus sign it. The WGC bought the Dominion time and made everyone more vulnerable to Aldmeri subjugation. I think that is why the Elder Council wanted Titus gone. About the Oblivion Crisis: I'd certainly hope that the Dunmer wouldn't fall for something like that. But then again, the Khajiit believed that the Altmer ended the Void Nights just because the Dominion said so, so who really knows?
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Post by Urizen on Aug 9, 2016 17:34:50 GMT
On the WGC: it's not that any of it was shocking, it's that it was an unnecessary agreement that served no beneficial purpose. The Empire didn't need a breather because the Dominion had less provinces, less manpower, and less economic strength. The longer the Great War went on, the more damage it would do to the Dominion. In addition, it's an offensive war on the Dominion's part, and it requires them to make greater expenditures. When Hammerfell alone was able to repel the Dominion, it proved how worthless the WGC really was. It didn't buy the Empire time, and that's why the Dominion was insistent that Titus sign it. The WGC bought the Dominion time and made everyone more vulnerable to Aldmeri subjugation. I think that is why the Elder Council wanted Titus gone. About the Oblivion Crisis: I'd certainly hope that the Dunmer wouldn't fall for something like that. But then again, the Khajiit believed that the Altmer ended the Void Nights just because the Dominion said so, so who really knows? It bought the Empire time. Just because you defended yourself successfully against an enemy doesn´t necessarily mean that you can just as easily go on the offensive. Alinor has a long standing history of repelling attackers, whether they come by sea or by Land. Heck, Tiber Septim had to use Numidium to conquer it in the first place. And then there is Valenwood. It´s a very dense forest, which is already dangerous on its own, thanks to its wildlife. Throw in a lot of Bosmer, that are renowned marksman and you have 1 more nightmare on your hand. Elsweyr, by comparison is a cakewalk. If you truly want to get rid of the Aldmeri Dominion, you need to go on the offensive. For that you need troops, and lots of them. So yes, the WGC bought the Empire a lot of time. Suggesting otherwise is underestimating how truly difficult it is to overthrow the AD.
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As someone who plays the beast races and hates the Thalmor, I have zero interest in supporting the Stormcloaks.
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Post by BountyhunterGER on Aug 9, 2016 18:38:14 GMT
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Aug 9, 2016 19:07:58 GMT
On the WGC: it's not that any of it was shocking, it's that it was an unnecessary agreement that served no beneficial purpose. The Empire didn't need a breather because the Dominion had less provinces, less manpower, and less economic strength. The longer the Great War went on, the more damage it would do to the Dominion. In addition, it's an offensive war on the Dominion's part, and it requires them to make greater expenditures. When Hammerfell alone was able to repel the Dominion, it proved how worthless the WGC really was. It didn't buy the Empire time, and that's why the Dominion was insistent that Titus sign it. The WGC bought the Dominion time and made everyone more vulnerable to Aldmeri subjugation. I think that is why the Elder Council wanted Titus gone. About the Oblivion Crisis: I'd certainly hope that the Dunmer wouldn't fall for something like that. But then again, the Khajiit believed that the Altmer ended the Void Nights just because the Dominion said so, so who really knows? It bought the Empire time. Just because you defended yourself successfully against an enemy doesn´t necessarily mean that you can just as easily go on the offensive. Alinor has a long standing history of repelling attackers, whether they come by sea or by Land. Heck, Tiber Septim had to use Numidium to conquer it in the first place. And then there is Valenwood. It´s a very dense forest, which is already dangerous on its own, thanks to its wildlife. Throw in a lot of Bosmer, that are renowned marksman and you have 1 more nightmare on your hand. Elsweyr, by comparison is a cakewalk. If you truly want to get rid of the Aldmeri Dominion, you need to go on the offensive. For that you need troops, and lots of them. So yes, the WGC bought the Empire a lot of time. Suggesting otherwise is underestimating how truly difficult it is to overthrow the AD. The Empire doesn't need to go on the offensive. That's one of my main points. To explain further: the Dominion is the one that's on the offensive, not the Empire. The Empire can maintain itself and stay on the defensive and let the Dominion continue to waste manpower and resources on a war it can't win. Much of the Dominion's success came from the element of surprise. Their army was so completely exhausted following the Great War that the best they could do was lose against a lone Hammerfell. If Titus didn't sign the WGC, much of the Empire would be left relatively intact and their ability to defend against the Dominion would be more than adequate.
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Post by Urizen on Aug 9, 2016 19:41:51 GMT
The Empire doesn't need to go on the offensive. That's one of my main points. To explain further: the Dominion is the one that's on the offensive, not the Empire. The Empire can maintain itself and stay on the defensive and let the Dominion continue to waste manpower and resources on a war it can't win. Much of the Dominion's success came from the element of surprise. Their army was so completely exhausted following the Great War that the best they could do was lose against a lone Hammerfell. If Titus didn't sign the WGC, much of the Empire would be left relatively intact and their ability to defend against the Dominion would be more than adequate. We have to agree to disagree here. The AD and the Thalmor in particular need to be removed. Their war was not a means to achieve world domination, but a means to eradicate all non Aldmer. That goal hasn´t changed. If they can´t achieve it through open warfare, they will use subterfuge and sabotage, pitting the provinces against each other. And how long do you think will a defensive line hold, when it becomes stretched thin, because you no longer only need to protect the border leading to Alinor, Valenwood and Elsweyr? An offensive by the Empire is inevitable in the long run.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Aug 9, 2016 22:31:36 GMT
The Empire doesn't need to go on the offensive. That's one of my main points. To explain further: the Dominion is the one that's on the offensive, not the Empire. The Empire can maintain itself and stay on the defensive and let the Dominion continue to waste manpower and resources on a war it can't win. Much of the Dominion's success came from the element of surprise. Their army was so completely exhausted following the Great War that the best they could do was lose against a lone Hammerfell. If Titus didn't sign the WGC, much of the Empire would be left relatively intact and their ability to defend against the Dominion would be more than adequate. We have to agree to disagree here. The AD and the Thalmor in particular need to be removed. Their war was not a means to achieve world domination, but a means to eradicate all non Aldmer. That goal hasn´t changed. If they can´t achieve it through open warfare, they will use subterfuge and sabotage, pitting the provinces against each other. And how long do you think will a defensive line hold, when it becomes stretched thin, because you no longer only need to protect the border leading to Alinor, Valenwood and Elsweyr? An offensive by the Empire is inevitable in the long run. In the long run, yes. In the short term, there's no need. Let the Dominion cripple itself and damage its own legitimacy with a failed invasion. But either way, it's probably all moot because Bethesda likes every game to have a dreary premise, ergo we'll probably wind up with the Dominion in charge of everything somehow.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 9, 2016 23:04:04 GMT
Because bandit logic
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Post by lobselvith8 on Aug 9, 2016 23:09:41 GMT
We have to agree to disagree here. The AD and the Thalmor in particular need to be removed. Their war was not a means to achieve world domination, but a means to eradicate all non Aldmer. That goal hasn´t changed. If they can´t achieve it through open warfare, they will use subterfuge and sabotage, pitting the provinces against each other. And how long do you think will a defensive line hold, when it becomes stretched thin, because you no longer only need to protect the border leading to Alinor, Valenwood and Elsweyr? An offensive by the Empire is inevitable in the long run. In the long run, yes. In the short term, there's no need. Let the Dominion cripple itself and damage its own legitimacy with a failed invasion. But either way, it's probably all moot because Bethesda likes every game to have a dreary premise, ergo we'll probably wind up with the Dominion in charge of everything somehow. I don't think that it would be quite that dreary. Outside the schism between the Empire and Skyrim, there is hope for plenty of resistance to the Dominion: Hammerfell is independent (there's no way the Redguards would willingly acquiesce to the Thalmor), Morrowind is apparently autonomous and House Redoran seems to have things well in hand as the main House governing the Dunmer people (from having repelled the Argonian invaders to the reconstruction efforts after the Red Year), Black Marsh is free (and let's not forget how the Hist may react toward potential Dominion invaders in the same way they did against Dagon's would-be conquerors from his Oblivion gates), and maybe the Psijics might become involved given the Thalmor endgame to bring an end to existence on Nirn by unmaking Mundus (they certainly do during CoW, albeit because they had their own goal). I say there's hope.
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Post by masterwarderz on Aug 9, 2016 23:14:25 GMT
Mass confusion
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Post by Patricia on Aug 11, 2016 13:49:27 GMT
Talking about the Thalmor again yesterday i met that annoying and irritating Ancano who thinks that Skyrim belongs to him this is what i want to do to him haha.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2016 14:16:32 GMT
Talking about the Thalmor again yesterday i met that annoying and irritating Ancano who thinks that Skyrim belongs to him this is what i want to do to him haha. You want to hammer him???
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Post by Patricia on Aug 11, 2016 14:20:54 GMT
Talking about the Thalmor again yesterday i met that annoying and irritating Ancano who thinks that Skyrim belongs to him this is what i want to do to him haha. You want to hammer him??? Yes i do haha .
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Post by Patricia on Aug 12, 2016 11:17:15 GMT
There are 9 houses in Skyrim that you can get including the DLC's.
1. So what is your favorite house including the DLC's ?
2. And also what is your favorite house without the DLC's ?
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1. Lake view Manor with the DLC's.
2. And Proud Spire Manor in Solitude without the DLC's.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 12, 2016 11:51:57 GMT
Hm, tried them all in vanilla but always ended up with Whiterun because of it's central location on the map and it had decent container access.
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Post by jmac1424 on Aug 12, 2016 12:32:25 GMT
Heljarchen Hall for DLC. Just liked the area better. Whiterun or Windhelm non-DLC
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Post by themikefest on Aug 12, 2016 13:03:50 GMT
Lakeview Manor Whiterun
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Post by Robo on Aug 12, 2016 13:25:28 GMT
The one you get for blowing up Megaton.
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