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Post by nogroson on Sept 7, 2016 20:51:13 GMT
I started another playthrough of Mass Effect wanting to romance Liara. Went well until first talk with Ashley at Normandy. You just have to admire how well written is her character in ME1. Must resist tho Don't resist ... Ash is worth it
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Post by nogroson on Sept 7, 2016 20:53:46 GMT
I started another playthrough of Mass Effect wanting to romance Liara. Went well until first talk with Ashley at Normandy. You just have to admire how well written is her character in ME1. Must resist tho Hehe indeed. I did it once, didn't romance anyone in ME1, then in ME2 I romanced Miranda I believe. And then at the beginning of ME3, seeing Ashley again, was so weird. I was so happy to see her and then I realised I didn't romance her in ME1. Of course I could have still initiated a romance but it wouldn't be the same. Don't think I've finished that playthrough actually. I don't think any other LI comes close to Ashley and Shepard in terms of compatibility. Both have a military background, Ashley is opiniated and has a strong personality but underneath that hard exterior is a woman that cares a great deal for the people she trusts, and willing to do what's right. Shepard is perhaps more reserved and calm, more open to different ideas and opinions and the people that support those, so he forms a good counterbalance. They share the will to do what's right. At least that's how I always saw (my)Shepard. So true !!! As someone already said it's a pity Chris L'etoile left after ME1 .. I bet ME3 would have been great with him still writing Ash
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Post by gkonone on Sept 8, 2016 1:36:16 GMT
Hehe indeed. I did it once, didn't romance anyone in ME1, then in ME2 I romanced Miranda I believe. And then at the beginning of ME3, seeing Ashley again, was so weird. I was so happy to see her and then I realised I didn't romance her in ME1. Of course I could have still initiated a romance but it wouldn't be the same. Don't think I've finished that playthrough actually. I don't think any other LI comes close to Ashley and Shepard in terms of compatibility. Both have a military background, Ashley is opiniated and has a strong personality but underneath that hard exterior is a woman that cares a great deal for the people she trusts, and willing to do what's right. Shepard is perhaps more reserved and calm, more open to different ideas and opinions and the people that support those, so he forms a good counterbalance. They share the will to do what's right. At least that's how I always saw (my)Shepard. So true !!! As someone already said it's a pity Chris L'etoile left after ME1 .. I bet ME3 would have been great with him still writing Ash It's something we'll never know, but I doubt it really. Writers are just that, they have to answer to the higher ups. And if the big shots at Bioware don't want more story for a certain character, or whatever alteration, that's that. So far I'm not looking forward to Andromeda but I do hope they've learned their lessons as far as romances are concerned, and how much players appreciate them. They could have fixed the Virmire romances by simply adding one more mission or meaningful interaction that would let Shepard redeem him or herself. It would start with a message, something like this: 'Shepard, a lot has happened in the two years that you've been gone, I thought you were dead, the man I loved so much, gone. My heart was broken, and I tried to move on, as a Williams, I tried to be strong, but it was hard, probably the hardest thing I had ever have to deal with. So when I saw you there on Horizon, I couldn't believe my eyes. I wasn't sure if I was dreaming or if this was real, I couldn't handle it. Imagine seeing the one person you really loved, assuming he was dead, just showing up as if nothing had happened. I was in shock. And then I found out you were working for Cerberus, a horrible organisation, commiting crimes against mankind, and I had to take your word for it. It was too much for me too handle. I'm sorry. But somewhere there I saw the man I fell in love with, despite being shocked and angry. And I kept wondering, why didn't you contact me? Despite all that, I could not or did not want to let this go, there still is this lingering feeling of wanting to know how you are doing, what's going on in your life and most of all, if you remember me, like I remembered you. I tried to keep myself preoccupied so I didn't have to think about it all. Been trying to keep myself busy and focussed, training new recruits and paperwork, the usual. But I can't forget you, I don't want to, I wanna see you skipper. And then a meeting on the Citadel and a reconciliation. They could make the mission/interaction open ended, a bit like they did in ME1, where Ash wants to tell you something but she'll save it for later. Ashley could say she still isn't completely sure but that she trusts him enough now, and she does love him. Continue from there in ME3. Got a bit carried away there, and yeah, I'm not a good story teller. But that's what I would have loved to see, and that would have been very easy to implement. It's not that hard really, and would have made a lot of people very happy.
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Post by nogroson on Sept 8, 2016 20:02:44 GMT
So true !!! As someone already said it's a pity Chris L'etoile left after ME1 .. I bet ME3 would have been great with him still writing Ash It's something we'll never know, but I doubt it really. Writers are just that, they have to answer to the higher ups. And if the big shots at Bioware don't want more story for a certain character, or whatever alteration, that's that. So far I'm not looking forward to Andromeda but I do hope they've learned their lessons as far as romances are concerned, and how much players appreciate them. They could have fixed the Virmire romances by simply adding one more mission or meaningful interaction that would let Shepard redeem him or herself. It would start with a message, something like this: 'Shepard, a lot has happened in the two years that you've been gone, I thought you were dead, the man I loved so much, gone. My heart was broken, and I tried to move on, as a Williams, I tried to be strong, but it was hard, probably the hardest thing I had ever have to deal with. So when I saw you there on Horizon, I couldn't believe my eyes. I wasn't sure if I was dreaming or if this was real, I couldn't handle it. Imagine seeing the one person you really loved, assuming he was dead, just showing up as if nothing had happened. I was in shock. And then I found out you were working for Cerberus, a horrible organisation, commiting crimes against mankind, and I had to take your word for it. It was too much for me too handle. I'm sorry. But somewhere there I saw the man I fell in love with, despite being shocked and angry. And I kept wondering, why didn't you contact me? Despite all that, I could not or did not want to let this go, there still is this lingering feeling of wanting to know how you are doing, what's going on in your life and most of all, if you remember me, like I remembered you. I tried to keep myself preoccupied so I didn't have to think about it all. Been trying to keep myself busy and focussed, training new recruits and paperwork, the usual. But I can't forget you, I don't want to, I wanna see you skipper. And then a meeting on the Citadel and a reconciliation. They could make the mission/interaction open ended, a bit like they did in ME1, where Ash wants to tell you something but she'll save it for later. Ashley could say she still isn't completely sure but that she trusts him enough now, and she does love him. Continue from there in ME3. Got a bit carried away there, and yeah, I'm not a good story teller. But that's what I would have loved to see, and that would have been very easy to implement. It's not that hard really, and would have made a lot of people very happy. Maybe you are not a good story teller, still I find it good enough .. yes something like that would have been nice. Still, we have what we have, but overall I'm happy enough with that, notwithstanding all the issue, Ash still remains my favourite character. And I agree with you about Andromeda, I hope Bioware will learn from past experience and will deal better with romances, even if I doubt myself will be playing it at release ... I still feel too attached to Shep, Ash and the rest of the team. Maybe in some time I could change my mind and try it .... will see
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Post by gkonone on Sept 9, 2016 1:09:58 GMT
Yeah it's hard. I was always hoping for more Shepard, even though Bioware told us this was the conclusion of Shepard's story and that would be it. No Ashley or any of the old crew, it is what it is. I'm actually hoping for a ME5: the Return of Shepard. Some argue that we had enough Shepard and it's time for something new, or there's no way they can top a Reaper threat. So Andromeda won't have a Reaper threat but something smaller, building up to something similar, over the course of several sequals. It's basically the same, just different names and settings. But I've grown to love not only Ashley but the rest of the crew. I don't think any game series has moved me as much as the Mass Effect series. The immersion, the emotions and dedication to a single game character. I would have loved to see more of it. Time will tell.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 9, 2016 3:00:42 GMT
I could definitely do with more Shepard. I think the real thing is that Shepard's story was linked so tightly to the story of the Reapers. Also, by having another Shepard story, it means the canon ending is Destroy + breath scene. That said, if they followed up on the dark energy storyline hinted at in ME2 it would be cool.
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Post by gkonone on Sept 10, 2016 1:46:50 GMT
Yeah, I was thinking about that, how would a return of Shepard and the old crew make sense, how could they make it work? That's a tough one. Making Destroy and the breath scene canon, that's one way, or go overboard and introduce a new theory, like the indoctrination theory. Given the endings I feel Bioware were very sure of the fact that Shepard would never return, which is a mistake I believe. Andromeda might tank and then they're stuck. Then again, a lot of people were done with Shepard, that's at least the sentiment I got from a thread I made on BSN, about Shepard returning. Imagine this though, going with the destroy ending and breath scene. Shepard waking up in a hospital on Earth, opening his eyes, and seeing Ashley with a little smile on her face: 'hey Skipper, you made it, I knew you would, my hero man' and then she bends over and whispers into his ear 'Don't you do this to me again, you hear, and I..I love you' and gives him a kiss. Fast forward two months. Strange signals of new life have been found across the galaxy, hostile, and worth investigating. While Ashley could have gotten a promotion, she wanted to stay with Shepard on the Normandy, and they're called to investigate. From there it could go a lot of different ways. A threat bigger than the Reapers, or equal, is one way to go. Starchild could have a twin brother with a very different agenda. Or a father/higher being or whatever. But that's pushing it. Or they could make it more intimate, focussing more on crew interaction, relationships and other ways to increase immersion. I would be all for that really. A more obvious route would be something that evolved from the Reapers. The Destroy ending caused some disturbance (in the force )which led to some synthetics/organics evolving into some new kind of evil or insert whatever plot. I'm very curious as to what they'll come up with in Andromeda, and I'll miss Ash and the crew. Lets leave it at that.
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Post by Sifr on Sept 10, 2016 2:02:09 GMT
Yeah it's hard. I was always hoping for more Shepard, even though Bioware told us this was the conclusion of Shepard's story and that would be it. No Ashley or any of the old crew, it is what it is. I'm actually hoping for a ME5: the Return of Shepard. Wouldn't mind some seeing fun easter eggs crop up. Perhaps one of the Tempest crew has a poster of the Normandy and/or squadmates like Garrus or Tali on their wall ("They ran out of Shepard ones at the store"), or regrets having purchased a Shepard VI from Omega that ended up being a cheap black-market knock off, since it wears a helmet and tends to end all sentences with "We'll bang, okay?"
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Post by themikefest on Sept 11, 2016 1:52:08 GMT
Yeah it's hard. I was always hoping for more Shepard, even though Bioware told us this was the conclusion of Shepard's story and that would be it. No Ashley or any of the old crew, it is what it is. I'm actually hoping for a ME5: the Return of Shepard. I do believe Shepard will be seen again. Here's an idea. Make the game similiar to the trespasser dlc for DAI. The game takes place however long after ME3. Shepard is facing the council who want Shepard to stop interfering with other species problems and let that species handle their own problems or something like that. When a councilor mentions that Shepard went to this planet or that planet to deal with whatever, scene changes to where the player controls Shepard and that mission plays. After a few more like that, the council takes a break. At which point, Shepard can interact with her/his crew. Even have a quiet moment with a LI. Shepard walks around the Citadel. It shows areas never before seen. Even parts that are still rebuilding. At the end, Shepard can decide to leave the Alliance or become a consultant for the Alliance, but no more being the galaxy's problem solver. Which ever he/she chooses, Shepard takes one last flight on the Normandy. That's just one of many. My personal favorite is to remake the trilogy using the same characters, but add/remove/change some stuff. I don't see why they have to top the reapers. Only time will answer that.
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Post by SaikyoMcRyu on Sept 11, 2016 10:49:15 GMT
i.imgur.com/Q9DmN.jpgI'm so sad they cut this scene from final game. Tho I can see why, they didn't want to open conversation about afterlife in ME universe. That would have been a major improvement It has been a long road and as you said " that horse has been beaten to death way too much, lets give it some rest." I agree. Revenant??
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Post by Balsam Beige on Sept 11, 2016 14:35:39 GMT
It has been a long road and as you said " that horse has been beaten to death way too much, lets give it some rest." I agree. Revenant??
NICE I didn't make the photo but it does look like M76 Revenant. Personally, I prefer Ash with a sniper rifle! The rifle in this excellent artwork looks like a M-98 Widow to me.
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Post by gkonone on Sept 11, 2016 21:26:50 GMT
Yeah it's hard. I was always hoping for more Shepard, even though Bioware told us this was the conclusion of Shepard's story and that would be it. No Ashley or any of the old crew, it is what it is. I'm actually hoping for a ME5: the Return of Shepard. My personal favorite is to remake the trilogy using the same characters, but add/remove/change some stuff. Interesting, how do you envision that? A Trilogy remastered, so to speak, would it be a sequel?
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Post by themikefest on Sept 11, 2016 21:32:44 GMT
My personal favorite is to remake the trilogy using the same characters, but add/remove/change some stuff. Interesting, how do you envision that? A Trilogy remastered, so to speak, would it be a sequel? Read this thread. No sequel. Just remake the trilogy
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Post by gkonone on Sept 11, 2016 21:54:26 GMT
Great picture actually, only just noticing that now. Love her determined look. I always liked the Revenant, big sound and great damage, despite the lacking accuracy. I can see both weapons working for her. The Widow and the Revenant that is. For a long time I preferred her ME1 look: the armor she has in that picture you linked, and an assault rifle. Having said that, I've grown to appreciate the ME3 a lot. It's a close one. She has matured, gone through some changes because of life experiences and career progression. Never judge a book by its cover applies here. As cliche as it may sound. A lot of people judged her by that cover in ME1 (dead horse) and in ME3 as well. 'Oh she got a boob job, oh I like her now because she's hot' etc. It's nice to see that progression and at the same time knowing she's still that determined woman you first saw on Eden Prime, fighting an invasion single handedly.
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Post by gkonone on Sept 12, 2016 1:49:41 GMT
Interesting, how do you envision that? A Trilogy remastered, so to speak, would it be a sequel? Read this thread. No sequel. Just remake the trilogy Read most of it, very nice suggestions and ideas. Although, given the option of a ME4/5 with Shepard or a, lets call it a remastered edition of the trilogy, would you go for for the latter? I was mostly ok with the trilogy, apart from the last 10 minutes and the lack of Ash in ME2. Oh and the Citadel dlc, that was awful, just that silly drinking game.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 12, 2016 2:27:13 GMT
Read most of it, very nice suggestions and ideas. Although, given the option of a ME4/5 with Shepard or a, lets call it a remastered edition of the trilogy, would you go for for the latter? I would have no problem with a sequel that takes place after the events of ME3 with Shepard as the main character. It would not be hard for that to happen. Sure, some folks would be upset, but I'm sure they would still get the game especially if they bring back characters they liked. I would only bring Shepard back for one more game. After that, I would remaster the trilogy It wasn't just the last ten minutes, though its number 1, it was a lot of other things. The citadel dlc was ok. I remember posting on a thread before that dlc was announced that I would like a crucible dlc to explain its origins. But we got Citadel. I would rather of had a crucible dlc.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Sept 13, 2016 2:25:19 GMT
My Shepard could never love anyone other then Ashley.
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Post by gkonone on Sept 14, 2016 1:32:23 GMT
I've seen a lot of Ash art, but never this one. Quite hilarious
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Post by gkonone on Sept 14, 2016 1:33:49 GMT
And some more, so it doesn't get cramped up all in one post.
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Post by gkonone on Sept 14, 2016 1:48:05 GMT
I think there has been talk about a Mass Effect movie in the past, and the most brought up look a like is Erica Cerra. I don't know if they'll ever make a movie, but if they do, she could pass for Ashley. Would mostly depend on her acting skills. Could she bring Ashley alive on the silver screen? Actually not sure if Ashley was modelled after someone. Some are, Male Shep, Miranda, Jack, to name a few.
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Post by Sifr on Sept 14, 2016 13:47:57 GMT
Actually not sure if Ashley was modelled after someone. Some are, Male Shep, Miranda, Jack, to name a few. I've heard people claim that Erica Cerra was the face model for Ash and the rumour has been seen floating around on the wiki and on wikipedia, but there doesn't seem to be any sources or confirmation that it's actually true, so it makes me suspect it's not. But yeah, Erica Cerra would definitely be a great fit for Ash if they ever made a move (or even a short live action film set in the universe). Back when she played Jo on Eureka, she definitely showed that she can pull of funny, kind, but tough as nails, all qualities that sum up Ash in a nutshell.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 14, 2016 13:54:55 GMT
If they do make a movie, I could see Ashley being the LI for Shepard.
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Post by straykat on Sept 14, 2016 16:21:59 GMT
I haven't heard talk about that movie since ME3's release. I think it might be a thing of the past.
But I'd agree on Ash having a role like that.
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Post by Balsam Beige on Sept 15, 2016 21:47:03 GMT
Personally I hope that they do not make a Mass Effect movie. There are so many different scenarios. For instance; If Liara was Shepards' LI and Ashley dies on Virmire. I wouldn't want to see that. Others would be upset if Ashley was the LI, Kaidan dies etc.
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