Why overheating weapons (ME1-style) should be considered for MEA

Now that I'm replaying it, I still dig the ME1 guns and way of shooting. Not the movement or powers, obviously those were an improvement. But just the way those guns shot. It was something actually different from anything else out at the time (at least as far as shooters went), from the uniformity of the guns to the sound they made and yes, the overheat mechanic. With the later games though, they of course introduced ammo and reloading because otherwise the CoD crowd would whimper in impotence aparently, but it also served to make the weapons more generic- unless they were really esoteric(GPS, Scorpion, PPR etc) or goddamn cannons of doom (Widow/Claymore). I'd want a return to more classic ME weapons both in mechanics and look/sound, apart from the more freaky weapons.

Maybe something like this:

The classic look weapons (Avenger, Vindicator, Mantis, Viper, Predator, Carnifex, Katana and Scimitar) be restored to the ME1 overheat system fully. Alternatively bring back the Master Spectre weapons and those have the ME1 system.

The newer weapons get the reload mechanic of later games but no ammo pool- make up some techno babble about revolving sinks or change them to the ME3 overheat only not dumb- reloading starts the overheat process which isn't interrupted by anything.

Another thing is levels. Forget individual weapon levels that shit sucks. I know it'll probably be used to pad out the multiplayer RNG but for SP at least, instead of collecting Avenger I-X, Vindicator I-X etc, have Assault Rifles I-X, Sniper Rifles I-X and so on. Make the weapon level global across the weapon class and tie in to training. Better training on a weapon class gets you better performance out of them, just like ME1 (only untrained weapons won't be useless).

No weight system- it was pointless and arbitrary. Who cares how many guns you carry, you can still only use one at a time.

Ammo types are mods again. Mods go up to V.

Not holding my breath though. Really cynical thought: they made the departure date after ME2 just so they could justify thermal clips in Andromeda

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In the middle of a new ME1 playthrough and I honestly don't see how. ME gameplay was primarily improved through mobility: they got rid the crouch, made moving in cover easier (though with a button to get into cover, I love how they're touting MEA as buttonless cover when ME1 had that from the start), then added sprinting (in a straight line) and finally sprinting while changing direction + combat rolls/dodges. Oh and heavy melee. Then you factor in the simplification of ammo and damage types, the power overhaul and simplification and the removal of enemy biotics ragdolling you and that's pretty much it. ME1 style weapons have no impact on that as far as I can tell.

You wouldn't- if those weapons were actually part of regular gamplay.  But pre-nerf Krysae aside, they aren't. The thing is ammo is a trivial and frankly dated limitation, even in MP. Oh, you have to run to the crate once in a while, big deal. Even for low ammo weapons like Harrier or Paladin. In higher difficulties you have to keep moving anyway, there's no camping anymore. Then there's popping resupply packs as well. And crates never run out of ammo, unlike nades. At most you wait an extra second, and boom, you're restocked. It doesn't really prevent spamming either, reloading does. If anything the overheat weapons limit spam more than the ammo ones because there's no canceliing that damnable venting animation- at least not if you want your gun to fire again.

Nades and heavy weapons (if they return) should be limited. Ammo, not so much.

I thought it was confirmed Andromeda would have both.

Such an obvious observation about heat transfer. I'm not sure how I've overlooked it for the majority of a decade!   Go sci-fi and video games!

That bit of real world logic will make things much more palatable for me when clips make their inevitable return. Assuming that this does happen, I hope that resource management is a meaningful, but not burdensome, part of the game. I think it could potentially add a lot to a game in which we are intergalactic explorers whose ark ship is lost to hostile action, astronomical disaster, or whatever. Supplies could be tight.

As much as I like the overheating weapons on ME1, it is bad game mechanics at it's core so I don't think BW will put it on ME:A.

I do think that the variety seen amongst the assorted weapons-- the shots capacity, the varying rates of fire, the reload speeds, all of that stuff; it all came because they decided to "normalize" the gunplay mechanics. Mass Effect's gunplay was pretty boring, prior-- hold the trigger until everything is dead, more or less.

I think all of those refinements are cool, but feel that they could've been implemented without ditching heat sinks altogether. I'm sort of meh, at this point. Mostly, I don't want to keep repeating myself and become an annoyance. I do agree with CrutchCricket that the very best advancements in the combat department came in the areas of improved movement and powers.

Thing was most classes could specialize in one (Adept, Engineer, Sentinel) or two weapons at most. Problem is if someone hit you with microscopic damping or sabotage mines as the caster class, you were SOL from fighting, period. There is no way to unstuck yourself from that situation. On top of this, 75% of the lootable weapons did little to make a difference, and anyone with more than two brain cells would only stick with Spectre weapons. If Spectre weapons weren't available, certain weapon brands were avoided like the plague (I.e. Avengers with their 1% accuracy and shitty damage output)

Yes, I'd be in favor of what you proposed.

That reddit Q&A mentions crafting so i expect that to be a part of it too.

Weapons + mods + crafting

Thermal clips making less sense if you ask me.

These weapons do work well for the Multiplayer. Still, they work better on some classes than on others (such as casters vs weapons platform) and they do work way better at Level X than at Level I. All in all, they would be better if they followed the thermal clip reload mechanic.

As for the Rocket Launcher I agree with you. That is another element in ME3MP that I want gone altogether.

As for the Demolisher and the Talon Mercenary, they have their dependence of ammo crates replaced with cooldown-based abilities. It is a step in the right direction. I wish that all abilities in MEAMP have a cooldown. It would be better than having 4 grenade kits fighting for grenades from ammo crates.