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Post by Button = Awesome on Nov 13, 2016 15:29:03 GMT
That is of course if Bioware decides to follow their own codex and remain consistent, which isn't a safe bet with Bioware by any means. They aren't didn't, so no problems there if they want to make the Arks land on a planet. They aren't didn't?
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Post by fruitster on Nov 13, 2016 15:31:03 GMT
If this dude used his free time and his brain capabilities correctly, he could do a lot of amazing things. BUT NOPE, he decides to spent all of this in being a stupid hater.Good constructive criticism is always useful, but there is a limit. This guy was moaning about Mass Effect from as far back as Mass Effect 2. To spend this long complaining about a computer game....sometimes you kind of have to accept that something isn't going to be what you want it to be and move on. Mass Effect is never going to make him happy and Bioware won't change their vision of the series to make him so. Life is kind of short, he seems a smart bloke - put that intelligence to something positive.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 13, 2016 15:46:15 GMT
- Reapers: The Council were aware after Sovereign, the Asari had clues for much longer.
- Why not the Milky Way?: Because that has a Mass Relay network.
- Ark ships do not have only one race (there's an Asari in the trailer) but the bulk are clearly from each local system.
- Laws of physics different in Andromeda? I don't think so.
- Tech: They got there so they clearly solved that.
Little merit here, moving on...
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 13, 2016 16:03:37 GMT
He failed from the beginning ignoring the actual reason (that's been presented by BioWare anyways) for the Arks existence.... it's like he headcanonned them as 'escape arks' and just can't get past the fact that they are exploration based.
Sure, the periodic table stuff could be legit...but really, this is a video game; like, give no shits really: let's SciFi with some Fiction.
Overall fail from his own premise in a video about his perceived failure in the game's premise... so meta fail it hurts.
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Post by bshep on Nov 13, 2016 16:07:53 GMT
If this dude used his free time and his brain capabilities correctly, he could do a lot of amazing things. BUT NOPE, he decides to spent all of this in being a stupid hater.In case you did not knew, this guy was a troll since the times from ME2 in the old BSN. No reason to give him any attention.
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Post by hopeless on Nov 13, 2016 16:19:43 GMT
Just a thought but what if the reason for the Arks is that there had been a previous attempt to colonise that galaxy but it only succeeded in distributing satellites and a central core that transmitted their findings to the Citadel however the species who brought that about had disappeared by then?
So the Council comes into possession of findings that identify a number of prospective worlds worth colonising and its decided to commence designing a means to travel there.
Maybe just maybe those Arks are built with a number of backups in case not all of them survive the trip but its only once humanity join the Council that they learn of the project and are given one Ark for their own as the Council clearly are seeking someone like Shepherd to help insure the success of this mission?
Now what if when Shepherd is thought killed in an ambush and fearing discovery they instead select Ryder to replace Shepherd and commence the operation immediately rather than delay any longer.
Still not sure about the rest of this!
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Post by commandercryptarch on Nov 13, 2016 16:31:29 GMT
I watched the vid.Have been watching Smud for years and I enjoy his content even though I am a huge fan of Bioware ( I know, not very popular opinion to like Smudboy but oh well ). I think this was one of his less harsh moments.He actually made a lot of sense and asked logical questions.I also do agree the Vault part was unecessary.I don't see why having vaults in Andromeda is a bad thing. But mostly ,he made sense.
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 13, 2016 17:10:20 GMT
They aren't didn't, so no problems there if they want to make the Arks land on a planet. They aren't didn't? It was meant to be "they already did"... That is, the Arks break the known lore, so if they break it further it isn't a really big deal.
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Post by Garo on Nov 13, 2016 17:40:08 GMT
He mentions staying in Milky Way and hiding. Hiding in Milky Way is cool and all, but what next? You go cryostasis for whatever long, wake up and then what? You would need a lot of people to reproduce later. So you would need funds to do something like this. But nobody would fund this because officially nobody in Milky Way thinks Reapers are real. Also it's risky because one information leak and BAM, Reapers would destroy it. So they came up with Andromeda.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 13, 2016 17:49:03 GMT
It was meant to be "they already did"... That is, the Arks break the known lore, so if they break it further it isn't a really big deal. For you. It's not a fact. Arks breaking the lore (they probably will, but at this point nothing lorewise is broken) doesn't mean I'll be fine with other lorebreaking stuff. Otherwise I should've been fine with everything since ME2's intro.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Nov 13, 2016 18:15:32 GMT
Question 5: What's up with the jump in FTL tech? Too much math, I'm out. Probably legit point tho. I'm curious why this keeps getting brought up as a criticism of ME:A. Where did this idea of a "jump in FTL tech" come from anyway? The ME3 codex states that Reapers can travel 30 LY/day, and that this is roughly twice the speed of Council ships. So even assuming that the technology is slightly behind on the ARKs because of development time, they should at least be approaching those speeds. And indeed, Andromeda is 2.5 million LY away, and the trip took 600 years. 2,500,000 / (600 * 365) ~ 11.4 LY/day. People need to give BioWare some credit; they did do their basic math.
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Post by Enigmaticks on Nov 13, 2016 18:24:43 GMT
I'm real curious as to if anyone in his comments actually tries to refute him anymore, are any of the points made here made in his comment section?
I stopped paying attention to him around the Torment whine-fest, it was made then pretty clear that he thinks of himself as objectively in the right on the subjects of his videos and doesn't really make them for /discussion/ but a circlejerk of a different name.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 13, 2016 18:35:21 GMT
I sure wont be commenting in his comments. I couldn't get through the video. It's the tone of voice. He could be informing me I won the lottery with the money in hand and official people with documents and cameras and with that tone I'd still just feel like he was mocking existence. It's grating.
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Post by CrazyRah on Nov 13, 2016 18:39:10 GMT
Oh Smudboy
He really is exactly the same as when I last heard about him
Dear me..
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Post by Milady on Nov 13, 2016 19:04:38 GMT
Right now I see a lot of whining pop up here and there. On the forums and YouTube for example. About how stuff won't work or isn't explained and simply 'there' (like certain technology).
People; it's a game. It's fiction. Accept it and hold your horses until the game actually comes out.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 13, 2016 19:15:10 GMT
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Nov 13, 2016 20:04:42 GMT
I really REALLY don't understand the whole "but why are we even making these arks and going to the Andromeda Galaxy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" complaints.
Because it's there.
Because it's next.
Because that's what we do as a species. We explore.
Why are we going to Andromeda?
Because in the words of Sam Seaborn: "Cause it's next. 'Cause we came out of the cave, and we looked over the hill and we saw fire; and we crossed the ocean and we pioneered the west, and we took to the sky. The history of man is hung on a timeline of exploration and this is what's next."
I, for one, don't need there to be some big secretive overarching reason why the arks exist, and why we're going on this mission. We're going because it's what's next.
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Post by Ashii6 on Nov 13, 2016 20:13:17 GMT
I really REALLY don't understand the whole "but why are we even making these arks and going to the Andromeda Galaxy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" complaints. Because it's there. Because it's next. Because that's what we do as a species. We explore. Why are we going to Andromeda? Because in the words of Sam Seaborn: "Cause it's next. 'Cause we came out of the cave, and we looked over the hill and we saw fire; and we crossed the ocean and we pioneered the west, and we took to the sky. The history of man is hung on a timeline of exploration and this is what's next." I, for one, don't need there to be some big secretive overarching reason why the arks exist, and why we're going on this mission. We're going because it's what's next. Well, actually I agree with Smudboy on this question. Why Andromeda if we explored barely 1%! of the Milky Way? Let's explore our own galaxy first if we want to explore something so badly. Who knows what secrets there may be? What new species? Probably even more new tech and God knows what else. I understand that BioWare needed to get away from bad endings they created. They didn't know how to handle them and thus, Andromeda happened, but it's still a poor idea. Oh, how I miss Drew Karpyshyn.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 13, 2016 20:21:59 GMT
I really REALLY don't understand the whole "but why are we even making these arks and going to the Andromeda Galaxy?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" complaints. Because it's there. Because it's next. Because that's what we do as a species. We explore. Why are we going to Andromeda? Because in the words of Sam Seaborn: "Cause it's next. 'Cause we came out of the cave, and we looked over the hill and we saw fire; and we crossed the ocean and we pioneered the west, and we took to the sky. The history of man is hung on a timeline of exploration and this is what's next." I, for one, don't need there to be some big secretive overarching reason why the arks exist, and why we're going on this mission. We're going because it's what's next. Well, actually I agree with Smudboy on this question. Why Andromeda if we explored barely 1%! of the Milky Way? Let's explore our own galaxy first if we want to explore something so badly. Who knows what secrets there may be? What new species? Probably even more new tech and God knows what else. I understand that BioWare needed to get away from bad endings they created. They didn't know how to handle them and thus, Andromeda happened, but it's still a poor idea. Oh, how I miss Drew Karpyshyn. Karoyshyn's idea for the Reapers and the end of trilogy, from what I recall reading, wasn't that great. So between him and Walters', for me, it was just a 'pick your poison' choice. They hinted at the possibility of a secret motivation behind the project outside exploration. We'll see what they came up with (though I'll keep my expectations low).
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Post by Ashii6 on Nov 13, 2016 20:28:52 GMT
Well, actually I agree with Smudboy on this question. Why Andromeda if we explored barely 1%! of the Milky Way? Let's explore our own galaxy first if we want to explore something so badly. Who knows what secrets there may be? What new species? Probably even more new tech and God knows what else. I understand that BioWare needed to get away from bad endings they created. They didn't know how to handle them and thus, Andromeda happened, but it's still a poor idea. Oh, how I miss Drew Karpyshyn. Karoyshyn's idea for the Reapers and the end of trilogy, from what I recall reading, wasn't that great. So between him and Walters', for me, it was just a 'pick your poison' choice. They hinted at the possibility of a secret motivation behind the project outside exploration. We'll see what they came up with (though I'll keep my expectations low). I read about original endings and I agree, it's a matter on an opinion. But I meant that I miss Drew overall. ME1 is my favourite in many aspects. Storyline is number 1. ME2 story was just meh imo. We literally played as therapist, cause everyone had some family issues in our crew. God, that was awful. I won't even comment on how story was handled in ME3. Simply the worst ME game for me. And after seeing how Inquisition (gameplay and storyline wise) was, I'm really afraid for Andromeda. I don't want another ME3-Inquisition with plot holes and autodialogues. Not to mention fetch quests and so on.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 13, 2016 20:34:49 GMT
If this dude used his free time and his brain capabilities correctly, he could do a lot of amazing things. BUT NOPE, he decides to spent all of this in being a stupid hater.Good constructive criticism is always useful, but there is a limit. This guy was moaning about Mass Effect from as far back as Mass Effect 2. To spend this long complaining about a computer game....sometimes you kind of have to accept that something isn't going to be what you want it to be and move on. Mass Effect is never going to make him happy and Bioware won't change their vision of the series to make him so. Life is kind of short, he seems a smart bloke - put that intelligence to something positive. I loathe this line of thought. I'm sorry but I really do. There will always be some Einsteins or just people that are so passionate about particular subjects that they can't let go of them, and personally I can't look at games as "just games". To me they're part of my life - a big part of it actually, and in a weird way I depend on them the same way a musician or just concert-happy people depend on listening to music. I don't like brushing off subjects like this. ...But I second the last statement. You can only go so far by simply analysing problems hoping something will change or... or maybe you'll get some sort of validation from it - I mean I bet he loves picking apart stuff, but yes, with that brain of his running wild in IQ-190 mode he should just get some kind of project assembled already and if he doesn't have the patience for other unintelligent game-designers he should go solo like Toby Fox and create a game like that. He could come up with the weirdest concept and nitpick his way into making it amazing.
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Post by Enigmaticks on Nov 14, 2016 0:15:14 GMT
Good constructive criticism is always useful, but there is a limit. This guy was moaning about Mass Effect from as far back as Mass Effect 2. To spend this long complaining about a computer game....sometimes you kind of have to accept that something isn't going to be what you want it to be and move on. Mass Effect is never going to make him happy and Bioware won't change their vision of the series to make him so. Life is kind of short, he seems a smart bloke - put that intelligence to something positive. I loathe this line of thought. I'm sorry but I really do. There will always be some Einsteins or just people that are so passionate about particular subjects that they can't let go of them, and personally I can't look at games as "just games". To me they're part of my life - a big part of it actually, and in a weird way I depend on them the same way a musician or just concert-happy people depend on listening to music. I don't like brushing off subjects like this. ...But I second the last statement. You can only go so far by simply analysing problems hoping something will change or... or maybe you'll get some sort of validation from it - I mean I bet he loves picking apart stuff, but yes, with that brain of his running wild in IQ-190 mode he should just get some kind of project assembled already and if he doesn't have the patience for other unintelligent game-designers he should go solo like Toby Fox and create a game like that. He could come up with the weirdest concept and nitpick his way into making it amazing. He's far too much of a dickhead challenging personality to work with and too unskilled to work alone, he's going to be an armchair analyst on a social media site for as long as anyone knows him.
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Post by Hoge on Nov 14, 2016 0:55:40 GMT
Smudboy. The name alone makes it hard for me to take seriously. I'll wait for the game to come out and play it before I start discussing how good or terrible the game is thank you very much.
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Post by grallon on Nov 14, 2016 16:16:14 GMT
The fact he appears a tad obsessive about it all (I've watched many of his Mass Effect related vids), not to mention the condescending tone, doesn't invalidate most of his points in my opinion.
Does anyone here wants to dole out ca$h to a company that has already botched the previous series? They failed (for whatever reasons) to maintain the internal consistency of their own creation, to the point of retconing the whole basis on which that universe rests for this new title. Granted we don't have a whole lot of information so far and they could still come up with some semblance of explanation. On the other hand, judging by some reactions in this thread, perhaps they reasoned they don't need to...
But even then, who wants to invest himself in a story that will most likely, considering the past, be butchered all over again?
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Post by SofNascimento on Nov 14, 2016 16:29:17 GMT
On the other hand, judging by some reactions in this thread, perhaps they reasoned they don't need to... I believe that is the more likely scenario. Most people don't care enough about the lore to care about what the Arks do to it. From the rest, many are satisfyed with whatever explanation they are given no matter how nonsense it is (the Arks are plenty of that and then some) and just want a new Mass Effect game. So, considering they don't care about retcons and lore shattering developments, it stands to reason they would make the decision that demands less effort. And this Ai thing demanded very little effort indeed.
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