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Post by Ahriman on Nov 15, 2016 7:38:40 GMT
Nope. As shechinah says, I'm unaware of any mention of the Pathfinders being aboard the Nexus. They'd be better able to do their jobs aboard their respective Arks, no? Her exact words in the Initiative vid are as follows (0:34-0:41): "Most of you will be aboard Ark Hyperion, (for?) the rest will travel on the Nexus, with me." So what would be a natural division of who goes in which? How about Pathfinders and their teams on the Nexus, where Garson can conference and plan with them, while all the logistics crew are on the Arks. This is assuming the job of Pathfinders is to find safe "goldenworlds" for the Arks to park at and defrost their colonists. What else is the Nexus for, if not leading the whole expedition, including path finding? I don't think any of that is unreasonable to assume. She goes on to say (0:49-0:52), "Each Ark will be assigned it's own Pathfinder." Not, "Each Ark will have a Pathfinder aboard" or "Each Ark carries it's own Pathfinder." Assigned doesn't necessarily mean aboard. Of course, it could be that "assigned" does mean"aboard" and I'm all wet, but I don't think there is anything in revealed lore so far that irrefutably contradicts my interpretation. If Nexus (due to space magic) arrives waaay before Arks then Pathfinders aboard Nexus actually make sense. After all "Golden worlds", as they call them, are not guaranteed to be habitable, just that there may be liquid water. So Pathfinders could have time to check destination worlds of their Arks and try to find something more suitable if they aren't an option. So when Arks drop out on orbit of some desert Pathfinder can meet them and tell where to go. Hmm, I need to rehash my theories.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 15, 2016 7:44:16 GMT
There goes my BSG scenario... *sigh* Well, as long as the shipwreck theme is not resolved within two hours, I'm fine with a bit of both. And now I wish Bioware would introduce playing different characters in an episodic parallel timeline story. I want to BE that awesome Salarian STG! I want each ark stranded someplace else with different problems to solve. And at some point all races find each other again and kick ass together. So many possibilities for an awesome narrative. Please don't be lazy, Bioware. No cartoon villain this time. Give us some real survival suspense. The terror of the unknown, isolation and starvation. You can easily do that while exploring. I guess it would make for a nice progression to go from naked survival to building settlements and starting to enjoy the process of going on scavenger runs in the Nomad. And just as everything seems to be going well at last something bad needs to happen, of course. So a classical three act story: Survival, expansion, conflict/resolution. If that's what Bioware has in mind, I'm ok with it. That sounds like a solid game, but that doesn't sound like a Mass Effect game, in my opinion. I doubt it will be quite as bleak as all that, even though that would be realistic. Mass Effect tends to make me think bigger and more heroic, rather than gritty-survival. Assuming we end up stranded on "Habitat 7" (the human target world), the priorities will be getting survivors into a stable situation and reestablishing communications with the Nexus (or at least another Ark). The first part might involve quite a bit, like finding shelter and water, and dealing with locals. The latter might involve leaving nearly everyone behind on Habitat 7 and heading offworld. Habitat 7 sounds unviable as a long term habitation, so we'd need help in relocating everyone, if Ark Hyperion is damaged. The possibilities are endless. Will we find new tech that solves our problems? Will we successfully call for help? Will the kett help us, before the relationship sours? There are a lot of possibilities, each with varying degrees of likelihood. Tbh the whole going to another galaxy objective isn't Mass Effect to me anymore. It was exploring what "our" galaxy would be like in the future. All the races that I grew attached to. Even the vorcha.It was about society, not the frontier spirit. I'm trying to embrace MEA probably being a Mass Effect game only in name so I can enjoy the game as a good sci fi story. Because at the end of the day I just want to play a good story. So now I'm thinking about the scenario in terms of an interesting narrative rather than how Mass Effect-y it would be. Of course if the game focuses on many different Andromeda races and their societies again rather than putting up tents in a jungle then it could still be a good Mass Effect game.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 9:44:12 GMT
I get the feeling, even if Andromeda tells a story that isn't about saving humanity and actually tells a good story, no matter it's angle, people here are going to complain and nitpick regardless. We are taking the fact a ship crashes as something to hold against the game? From it, BioWare is insulting our intelligence? BioWare haven't got to exhaust themselves catering to every area of their fan base, especially those who probably would hate no matter what they threw at them cause saltiness over endings still persists and probably have ridiculously high expectations for what this game is and has to deliver on
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 9:46:42 GMT
Clean slate for this game, because they really screwed the pooch at the end of the last trilogy.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 15, 2016 9:51:56 GMT
We are taking the fact a ship crashes as something to hold against the game? From it, BioWare is insulting our intelligence? Eh, what are you talking about?
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 15, 2016 15:03:53 GMT
Hyperion arrives in Andromeda, unforeseenly hits rocky planetary body, evacuate!, klaxons, drop pods end up all over place, collect survivors materials and avert imminent failure of the mission.
That's my scenario.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 16:14:16 GMT
We are taking the fact a ship crashes as something to hold against the game? From it, BioWare is insulting our intelligence? Eh, what are you talking about? All the previous posts on this thread about how BioWare isn't going to deliver a story worthy of people's intelligence and intellect. Nitpicking every minute detail we know of this game to death, seeing it all as negatives, BioWare some how insulting us with their premise. The Hyperion crash, holding this against the game, the Arks, Nexus, just everything people are already hating. No game developer should have to deal with all this, the game isn't even out yet.
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Post by ravenous on Nov 15, 2016 16:25:34 GMT
I wonder/feel/think that Andromeda is going to be a reboot for the Mass Effect series and that everything that happened in the mass effect trilogy will no longer matter and will be forgotten
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Post by bshep on Nov 15, 2016 16:36:15 GMT
I wonder/feel/think that Andromeda is going to be a reboot for the Mass Effect series and that everything that happened in the mass effect trilogy will no longer matter and will be forgotten A reboot is very unlikely to happen. I believe they just want to separate things for now to tell a new ME story without choosing a canon ending (at least for now).
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Post by shechinah on Nov 15, 2016 16:36:38 GMT
I wonder/feel/think that Andromeda is going to be a reboot for the Mass Effect series and that everything that happened in the mass effect trilogy will no longer matter and will be forgotten If it is, it'd be a soft reboot: "Unlike a reboot, which discards all continuity, a soft reboot relaunches and introduces a film, television, or video game series to a new generation of consumers while still maintaining continuity with previous installments in a franchise."
Example: Star Wars: The Force Awakens.
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Post by ringlov on Nov 15, 2016 16:46:32 GMT
I somehow completely overlooked the deluxe edition cover, and my stomach turned a little when I started reading this thread I'm really excited about this game, and I can't wait to see what these crumbs we're getting really mean when the game finally comes out!
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 15, 2016 17:18:32 GMT
Eh, what are you talking about? All the previous posts on this thread about how BioWare isn't going to deliver a story worthy of people's intelligence and intellect. Nitpicking every minute detail we know of this game to death, seeing it all as negatives, BioWare some how insulting us with their premise. The Hyperion crash, holding this against the game, the Arks, Nexus, just everything people are already hating. Uhm, that's interesting way to read things. And they don't, that's BSN after all, nobody cares.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 15, 2016 17:58:05 GMT
Tbh the whole going to another galaxy objective isn't Mass Effect to me anymore. It was exploring what "our" galaxy would be like in the future. All the races that I grew attached to. Even the vorcha.It was about society, not the frontier spirit. I'm trying to embrace MEA probably being a Mass Effect game only in name so I can enjoy the game as a good sci fi story. Because at the end of the day I just want to play a good story. So now I'm thinking about the scenario in terms of an interesting narrative rather than how Mass Effect-y it would be. Of course if the game focuses on many different Andromeda races and their societies again rather than putting up tents in a jungle then it could still be a good Mass Effect game. That's how I felt when the possibility of moving to Andromeda was first "leaked". I made my peace with it long ago, though. I believe they will make this feel like Mass Effect, even if some of the things I loved about the OT are gone (near future timeline and being in our own galactic backyard are the two big ones.) I get the feeling, even if Andromeda tells a story that isn't about saving humanity and actually tells a good story, no matter it's angle, people here are going to complain and nitpick regardless. We are taking the fact a ship crashes as something to hold against the game? From it, BioWare is insulting our intelligence? BioWare haven't got to exhaust themselves catering to every area of their fan base, especially those who probably would hate no matter what they threw at them cause saltiness over endings still persists and probably have ridiculously high expectations for what this game is and has to deliver on I don't recall much negativity in this thread, though I admittedly tend to ignore those posts and converse with those who actually want to discuss things. I could've forgotten some early whining in this thread. Still, I recall mostly discussion as to how the story might unfold, rather than the complaints that a tiny handful of users love to spam throughout the forum. Most in this thread are eager to play the new game, and enjoy discussing our theories in the meantime. Don't let the BSN cause you to lose perspective. If MEA is a very good game, it will be recognized and embraced as such. Thus small, niche community does not accurately represent the wider world.
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Post by Dabrikishaw on Nov 15, 2016 18:15:44 GMT
I always figured helping humanity survive was in the plan.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 15, 2016 18:28:33 GMT
If Nexus (due to space magic) arrives waaay before Arks then Pathfinders aboard Nexus actually make sense. After all "Golden worlds", as they call them, are not guaranteed to be habitable, just that there may be liquid water. So Pathfinders could have time to check destination worlds of their Arks and try to find something more suitable if they aren't an option. So when Arks drop out on orbit of some desert Pathfinder can meet them and tell where to go. Hmm, I need to rehash my theories. I'd considered that, but I generally try to base my ideas upon what the writers have given us. In this case, what they've given us suggests the Pathfinders are aboard the Arks. If they did get there way early, as you described it (and it really would need to be substantially early), and assuming that additional scouting was feasible, they'd likely have scouted Habitat 7. They would have known about its volatile atmosphere and the Ark Hyperion disaster would've been avoided, thus negating the MEA plot.
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Post by bshep on Nov 15, 2016 18:29:28 GMT
That's how I felt when the possibility of moving to Andromeda was first "leaked". I made my peace with it long ago, though. I believe they will make this feel like Mass Effect, even if some of the things I loved about the OT are gone (near future timeline and being in our own galactic backyard areI didn't see much negativity in this thread; though perhaps I've forgotten where and how it started? I mostly recall a lot of speculation as to how the story might play out. Most of us are eager to play the new game. the two big ones.) I get the feeling, even if Andromeda tells a story that isn't about saving humanity and actually tells a good story, no matter it's angle, people here are going to complain and nitpick regardless. We are taking the fact a ship crashes as something to hold against the game? From it, BioWare is insulting our intelligence? BioWare haven't got to exhaust themselves catering to every area of their fan base, especially those who probably would hate no matter what they threw at them cause saltiness over endings still persists and probably have ridiculously high expectations for what this game is and has to deliver on I don't recall much negativity in this thread, though I admittedly tend to ignore those posts and converse with those who actually want to discuss things. I could've forgotten some early whining in this thread. Still, I recall mostly discussion as to how the story might unfold, rather than the complaints that a tiny handful of users love to spam throughout the forum. Most in this thread are eager to play the new game, and enjoy discussing our theories in the meantime. Don't let the BSN cause you to lose perspective. If MEA is a very good game, it will be recognized and embraced as such. Thus small, niche community does not accurately represent the wider world. I didn't like it the beggining but now i believe they really have a good chance of making a good story and so far i haven't see nothing that bothers me much about the game. And i do get the feeling they will find some way to make connections with the old trilogy in MEA. ps: not much whining in this thread but there is indeed another in this section which is a lot worse.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 15, 2016 18:36:31 GMT
That's how I felt when the possibility of moving to Andromeda was first "leaked". I made my peace with it long ago, though. I believe they will make this feel like Mass Effect, even if some of the things I loved about the OT are gone (near future timeline and being in our own galactic backyard areI didn't see much negativity in this thread; though perhaps I've forgotten where and how it started? I mostly recall a lot of speculation as to how the story might play out. Most of us are eager to play the new game. the two big ones.) I'm still very attached to the trilogy. I won't deny that. And I have a number of concerns (for the first time, never felt anything but happy anticipation for previous games). So I'm always flip-flopping. But ultimately we can't know yet how the game will turn out. So I too get annoyed with people who hate the game already based on assumptions and snippets of information. I was actually hoping the new BSN would be different. It is a bit better, but I guess the internet is just like that. Angry. In any case, I hope I don't come off too negative myself. I'm just a passionate Bioware fan who wants Andromeda to be amazing. And hey, I mean this with the utmost affection, a good plot has never been Bioware's strong suit, but I'm sure it's going to be passable as usual at least.
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Post by Phantom on Nov 15, 2016 18:37:51 GMT
Normally I'd assume the "save humanity" premise was related to simply performing the Andromeda Initiative and you, the player, representing the human part of it... but then upon further inspection in the trailer (and here it is for convenience) it seems more like humanity, rather than the other races aboard the arks, are in trouble when they get to Andromeda. So yeah, we arrive, everything goes to shit as the Hyperion (the human ark) gets attacked, and it appears both Ryder and Liam at scattered parts of the trailer fall out as the Hyperion has reached the atmosphere of another planet and wake up down there. We later see the Tempest fly across this desert planet surface towards some shipwrecked structure. I assumed it was a vault or some ancient remains of a ship... but what if it's the Hyperion? Then this game will not just be about colonizing from the ark to planets, but about either rebuilding the Ark or establishing humanity somewhere in Andromeda on borrowed time before the survivors of the Hyperion starve or die out, as there probably won't be room for all humans on the other arks. You know what be interesting. If we end up whooping the azz of the people on the Asari Ark. Due to Asari diplomatic savvy, they align with the Khet for the sake of survival. Khet hate us. So we form a Human-Krogan-Turian-Salarian coalition to run a train on that Asari ass. personally i would find it funny. Also I do think Khet should be the type of enemy that Krogan, Turian and Salarian would like and potentially joined regardless of the player's actions. some isolation from the iconic allied species might be interesting for story. Save Humanity, is that a catch phase from one of my favorite organizations from Mass Effect.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 15, 2016 18:53:31 GMT
That's how I felt when the possibility of moving to Andromeda was first "leaked". I made my peace with it long ago, though. I believe they will make this feel like Mass Effect, even if some of the things I loved about the OT are gone (near future timeline and being in our own galactic backyard areI didn't see much negativity in this thread; though perhaps I've forgotten where and how it started? I mostly recall a lot of speculation as to how the story might play out. Most of us are eager to play the new game. the two big ones.) I'm still very attached to the trilogy. I won't deny that. And I have a number of concerns (for the first time, never felt anything but happy anticipation for previous games). So I'm always flip-flopping. But ultimately we can't know yet how the game will turn out. So I too get annoyed with people who hate the game already based on assumptions and snippets of information. I was actually hoping the new BSN would be different. It is a bit better, but I guess the internet is just like that. Angry. In any case, I hope I don't come off too negative myself. I'm just a passionate Bioware fan who wants Andromeda to be amazing. And hey, I mean this with the utmost affection, a good plot has never been Bioware's strong suit, but I'm sure it's going to be passable as usual at least. You don't sound negative at all. I had the same worries about the game for a long time. I actively objected to the Andromeda move until it was officially announced. Then, I figured I'd better wait and see what they put together. It has vastly exceeded my expectations from those years ago. I suspect that MEA will be so good in many ways that it will actually make the OT more difficult to go back and play. I think they are really going to improve many facets of the IP. I didn't realize my post got butchered until I saw it quoted. Part of my reply to Prince E got inserted into the middle of a sentence in my reply to your post. I've cleaned it up, now, so it's intelligible.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 15, 2016 19:19:08 GMT
You don't sound negative at all. I had the same worries about the game for a long time. I actively objected to the Andromeda move until it was officially announced. Then, I figured I'd better wait and see what they put together. It has vastly exceeded my expectations from those years ago. I suspect that MEA will be so good in many ways that it will actually make the OT more difficult to go back and play. I think they are really going to improve many facets of the IP. I didn't realize my post got butchered until I saw it quoted. Part of my reply to Prince E got inserted into the middle of a sentence in my reply to your post. I've cleaned it up, now, so it's intelligible. No worries. I figured as much. I felt like responding anyway because I know I can sound harsh picking at flaws of games, but I'm not angry or anything. I used to find it rather adorable how much Bioware overcompensates flaws of previous games. It's also exasperating at times, haha. But I always thought this showed they do listen and care what people think. I wish they'd care less though. There is no pleasing everyone. I don't understand why they even try. I am really curious what Bioware does with a clean slate. I'm sure there will be plenty of references to the Milky Way, which might make me curl into a ball and sob "Shepard... Shepard" for ten minutes, but I do want some kind of connection to the trilogy. A sense of continuation, not a brutal cut. I'm not all at convinced the game will play better than the trilogy. Or let's say ME3 because ME1 is already a pain in the ass to navigate. That's my biggest concern, the combat. Because that was what made DAI really annoying at times. The awful endless boring combat. Least fun to play of them all. I hope it was a design failure rather than an engine problem. ME3 was pretty much perfect. Especially the fun MP powers. So I'm worried they messed it up. No gameplay footage is not helping here... On the other hand, I'm not the kind of person who usually cares much about fighting. ME2 and 3 were an exception where I really got into it. But usually as long as the story/characters are good and it looks pretty I'm happy. And Bioware usually gets that right.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 15, 2016 19:37:07 GMT
PapaCharlie9 , the preliminary Golden World targets have already been identified. Missions are planned before launch, not upon arrival. It makes more sense for the Nexus to take up a central, accessible location. This puts Jien and the support staff in place where they can best support the Arks. With initial targets already loaded and set as stop number one, the Pathfinders would need to be aboard their respective Arks and ready to begin their assignments upon arrival. If the Pathfinders weren't aboard their respective vessels, it would've made more sense for all 5 vessels to simply travel together to a central location, plan, and disperse. They don't do this because they wisely planned their search parameters ahead of time, saving valuable time and resources upon arrival by having each ark travel straight to an accessible golden target. Ark Hyperion's running into trouble couldn't have been an unforeseeable outcome when traveling 600 FTL years into the unknown. That's all the more reason to have your best, your Pathfinder, aboard each ark. That leadership can save lives when issues arise. Edit: This is probably one of the posts where I declare an opinion like it's a fact. It's a writing style, more than anything. It's good when you need to sell an idea, an I often fall into it when I'm forming thoughts or theories, almost like I'm selling myself on it as it forms. I hope it doesn't come across as annoying or condescending. That's not the intent. I could be wide of the mark with any or all of my theories. No need to apologize for your writing style to me -- I do the same thing. The only difference is I support my guesses with citations. If everything was planned out before departure, why have Pathfinders at all? Why call them Pathfinders? Garson says, "Pathfinders ... will be tasked with finding a new home on one of the goldenworlds ... in the Heleus cluster." You've heard all the Bioware leads emphasize that the game is about exploration, right? Also, what if the best looking goldenworld detected by long ranged scanners has a culture of sentient beings on it? We're just going to send an Ark into orbit of some culture's homeworld and hope for the best? And again referring to the vid, Garson says "you will awake from cryostasis on the outskirts of the Andromeda galaxy". Not anywhere near a goldenworld. Plus, this bears repeating: If Nexus (due to space magic) arrives waaay before Arks then Pathfinders aboard Nexus actually make sense. After all "Golden worlds", as they call them, are not guaranteed to be habitable, just that there may be liquid water. So Pathfinders could have time to check destination worlds of their Arks and try to find something more suitable if they aren't an option. So when Arks drop out on orbit of some desert Pathfinder can meet them and tell where to go. The Nexus doesn't have to arrive first for this to make sense. They can arrive all at the same time. Of course, it doesn't actually matter if the Pathfinders are on the Arks or the Nexus if they arrive at the same time. One way or the other, they'll gather to meet with Garson on the NExus for final instructions. Otherwise, again, what purpose does the Nexus serve, if not central Command & Control?
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Post by DragonEffect on Nov 15, 2016 23:25:29 GMT
This feels so damn weird. They release a trailer where the plot is supposed to be about you, as the leader of humanity, colonising new worlds after the Milky Way is pretty much gone for good and then, the next thing they show is your ship crashing and the whole initial plot basically being flushed down the toilet.
I don't know. I wish I only got to know about this element of surprise once I started playing the game. Prior to the trailer (which was sensational, there's no denying that), my expectations were so high I had started formulating all sorts of plans regarding colonisation and space exploration. Now the game has turned out to be "survive in a hostile environment". Basically, shoot the bad guys.
Nothing against FPS, but is this going to be another ME2? Will there be a story? Will there be mystery? Or will it be a straightforward plot, where your job is to simply point and shoot, coupled with impressive cinematics and hot chicks/guys to romance?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 15, 2016 23:30:54 GMT
I get the feeling, even if Andromeda tells a story that isn't about saving humanity and actually tells a good story, no matter it's angle, people here are going to complain and nitpick regardless. We are taking the fact a ship crashes as something to hold against the game? From it, BioWare is insulting our intelligence? BioWare haven't got to exhaust themselves catering to every area of their fan base, especially those who probably would hate no matter what they threw at them cause saltiness over endings still persists and probably have ridiculously high expectations for what this game is and has to deliver on If that's what you think then that's how you'll see it no matter how good or bad the story is. Then, whatever happens you're going to complain if people pick apart things that didn't add up in the narrative and blame them for being too nitpicky or whiny because you've decided people are just hypocrites or something. It's fine if you don't personally care about smaller details, but most people that actually pay attention to the storytelling in a book, movie or a game will. I don't think your mindset is constructive either. I don't know what to make of the plot premise yet, but I kinda wish even if we become N7, we're not the leader. Even if we're the pathfinder I hope we're not the most authorative figure. I kinda wish we could have a whole game as Commander Shepard who isn't a spectre-status figure who obeys to his superior. I know we won't because it's going to be the typical player-pandering BioWare structure, but DA:I was great until I became the Inquisitor and I don't want ME:A to be great only until you become the Pathfinder, because by then, if you're the leader, it makes no sense that YOU're the one who has to go do fetch quests or busywork for your organization anymore and then the whole framework for the story starts to feel off. And then it doesn't help that the villain is probably revealed by the time we become the Pathfinder too and that the villain is a monomythic one who has orchestrated the plot or mindcontrolled any other opposing faction. I sincerely hope the Kett have their own reasons for opposing you and that they explore the idea of making first contact with another species instead of making the Kett conveniently tied to somehow being manipulated by a higher power.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 15, 2016 23:57:13 GMT
This feels so damn weird. They release a trailer where the plot is supposed to be about you, as the leader of humanity, colonising new worlds after the Milky Way is pretty much gone for good and then, the next thing they show is your ship crashing and the whole initial plot basically being flushed down the toilet. I don't know. I wish I only got to know about this element of surprise once I started playing the game. Prior to the trailer (which was sensational, there's no denying that), my expectations were so high I had started formulating all sorts of plans regarding colonisation and space exploration. Now the game has turned out to be "survive in a hostile environment". Basically, shoot the bad guys. Nothing against FPS, but is this going to be another ME2? Will there be a story? Will there be mystery? Or will it be a straightforward plot, where your job is to simply point and shoot, coupled with impressive cinematics and hot chicks/guys to romance? Colonization and exploration are still going to be in. The goal will still be finding home for humanity, as we'll likely form colonies and outposts in the game. The goal will simply be mixed with survival, which was hinted plenty by Bioware before. Also, we knew pretty well we'd have enemies as a major faction to fight. The first trailer they released shown us fighting enemies. And we do know there's a mystery in the game already. Also, correction, it's nor 'our' ship, and we weren't supposed to be the leader. We were supposed to be a member of the Pathfinder team. The leader was supposed to be our father, and his ship was likely meant to be the Tempest.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 16, 2016 3:46:02 GMT
This feels so damn weird. They release a trailer where the plot is supposed to be about you, as the leader of humanity, colonising new worlds after the Milky Way is pretty much gone for good and then, the next thing they show is your ship crashing and the whole initial plot basically being flushed down the toilet. I don't know. I wish I only got to know about this element of surprise once I started playing the game. Prior to the trailer (which was sensational, there's no denying that), my expectations were so high I had started formulating all sorts of plans regarding colonisation and space exploration. Now the game has turned out to be "survive in a hostile environment". Basically, shoot the bad guys. I agree with your general concern, but for different reasons. My fear is not that they flushed a good plot down the toilet, but rather that, after going through the immense trouble (read, fan backlash) of cleaning the slate by going to Andromeda and opening up a ton of blue-sky possibilities for telling any kind of story they wanted, it looks like they are going with something familiar, trite and cliche, a big mysterious catastrophe. And probably a family tragedy as well -- how else does Ryder Jr. become the Pathfinder? Dad's gotta die, or at least be lost. The exploration plot should still there, it may just have a banal narrative framework that we've seen a hundred times. One where our PC, instead of being excited about exploring this new frontier, will be grieving and feeling awkward about filling such big shoes and torn between doing what's right and doing what's fun.
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