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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 14, 2016 16:09:51 GMT
SPOILERS ! (guidelines v. 3.0)
SPOILER RULES
- Don't put spoilers in thread titles.
- Ideally explain what type of spoilers will be in your thread, in the OP
- Don't post spoilers that are unrelated to the thread or topic being discussed. Don't cross-spoil!
- Spoiler tag content that goes beyond or spoils outside of the topic under discussion (or for size).
- Give a non-spoiler description of what a spoiler tag contains, not just 'what do you think about...
whatever big spoiler it may be...
What is a SPOILER?- A spoiler could be any aspect of the game that by being revealed hampers someone's enjoyment.
Which means that spoilers are highly subjective. So be careful.
- For that reason, it makes more sense to keep it simple and classify spoilers so that people can make up their own minds about what to read.
Basically, don't surprise people with a spoiler, those are not good surprises...
What can be posted where?
- General Discussion forum: bsn.boards.net/board/5
Yes: Discussions about Mass Effect Andromeda from pre-launch promotional material, trailers and tweets, and game mechanics. No: Preview spoilers, story spoilers, actual in-game content, walkthroughs, and quest solutions.
- Multiplayer Discussion: bsn.boards.net/board/33
- Yes: Multiplayer mechanics, builds, maps and multiplayer matches.
- No: Discussion about the single-player game story or characters.
- Characters and Romance discussion: bsn.boards.net/board/32
- Yes: Discussions about Mass Effect Andromeda characters and romances from pre-launch promotional material, trailers and tweets.
Inevitably some references to romance options and story beats will creep in, but keep them mild and spoiler tagged. - No: Character events and surprises from the story. Let people play the game and find out for themselves.
- Spoilers discussion: bsn.boards.net/board/37
- Yes: Any spoiler topic, except (see 'No')
- No: Don't post spoilers in titles, even in the Spoiler forum, give the area of discussion, not the spoiler itself. Don't cross-spoil threads.
Tagging SPOILERS
Explain what type of spoilers will be in your thread in the OP or before a tagged spoiler.
Example:
That the spoiler is about:Story / Ending / Character / Multiplayer / Quests / Collectibles / Gameplay / Builds / etc Don't let people bump into a surprises, so unintroduced threads, no floating spoiler tags.
You can ask questions about spoilers in this thread, or PM a moderator.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 15, 2016 0:15:58 GMT
Thank you! And for emphasis:
"and don't spoil in [thread] titles"
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 15, 2016 1:28:33 GMT
Moderate vs Mild seems to contradict or, at least, cross over?
Mild is anything shown pre-launch by Bioware in official marketing/trailers. Moderate includes anything thar reveals character that has been revealed by Bioware pre-launch.
So which takes precedence? If it's about characters but released in a trailer or marketing pre-launch is it Moderate or Mild?
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Nov 15, 2016 11:10:11 GMT
As launch gets closer, I will start avoiding the MEA forum like the plague. I still would like to visit the MEA twitter thread, but doing so without seeing other thread titles is impossible. Maybe if we divide into subforums that'll be resolved.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 15, 2016 11:32:52 GMT
Personally, I consider anything released by BioWare pre-launch (Game Informer / Trailers / Youtube Interviews etc) to be mild... it's out there and proud. Moderate, I would consider only applicable to mild character leaks pre-launch, and obviously post-launch all sorts of small things to do with setting/lore etc. Major sounds right to me and so does Critical, it's just the Mild/Moderate confusion that I seek clarification on: surely anything pre-launch is fodder for chat (perhaps except titles?).
Thoughts BSN Fam?
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Post by General Aetius on Nov 15, 2016 12:45:26 GMT
Ugh this is ridiculous.
It's open season on new Andromeda info, what else did you expect? This is General Discussion, not private panel behind closed doors. Just make a spoiler-free subforum already and end this charade. That little spoiler-free thread INSIDE General Discussion is laughable. Just ONCE I'd love to see a site that has onto-it staff members. What is there to discuss about it? Are there no people who think ahead around here?
"Oh my, N7 day is nearing and Bioware said they'll give out a steady stream of info from there on out - we'll need a spoiler-free zone for those who want to be surprised"..........was that so hard to come up with?
For fock's sake, every site I've ever been on in my life..........everybody has to be spoonfed.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 15, 2016 13:07:50 GMT
Ugh this is ridiculous. It's open season on new Andromeda info, what else did you expect? This is General Discussion, not private panel behind closed doors. Just make a spoiler-free subforum already and end this charade. That little spoiler-free thread INSIDE General Discussion is laughable. Just ONCE I'd love to see a site that has onto-it staff members. What is there to discuss about it? Are there no people who think ahead around here? " Oh my, N7 day is nearing and Bioware said they'll give out a steady stream of info from there on out - we'll need a spoiler-free zone for those who want to be surprised"..........was that so hard to come up with? For fock's sake, every site I've ever been on in my life..........everybody has to be spoonfed. Dude If you don't mind spoilers it's OK, I don't mind it either. But if there are some people who prefer not to know anything of the game until it releases it's OK too. I don' see why to get angry about it Why to bother?
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Post by General Aetius on Nov 15, 2016 13:17:34 GMT
Ugh this is ridiculous. It's open season on new Andromeda info, what else did you expect? This is General Discussion, not private panel behind closed doors. Just make a spoiler-free subforum already and end this charade. That little spoiler-free thread INSIDE General Discussion is laughable. Just ONCE I'd love to see a site that has onto-it staff members. What is there to discuss about it? Are there no people who think ahead around here? " Oh my, N7 day is nearing and Bioware said they'll give out a steady stream of info from there on out - we'll need a spoiler-free zone for those who want to be surprised"..........was that so hard to come up with? For fock's sake, every site I've ever been on in my life..........everybody has to be spoonfed. Dude If you don't mind spoilers it's OK, I don't mind it either. But if there are some people who prefer not to know anything of the game until it releases it's OK too. I don' see why to get angry about it Why to bother? Staff incompetence frustrates me, I've seen it on EVERY site I've ever been on. Even worse, staff with extremely thin skin who can't handle criticism. Let's see how these guys fare.
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Post by ravenous on Nov 15, 2016 15:55:39 GMT
I'm sorry but right now as I see it all the info we are getting right now would be like mild spoilers I would think
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 15, 2016 22:54:47 GMT
Moderate vs Mild seems to contradict or, at least, cross over? Mild is anything shown pre-launch by Bioware in official marketing/trailers. Moderate includes anything thar reveals character that has been revealed by Bioware pre-launch. So which takes precedence? If it's about characters but released in a trailer or marketing pre-launch is it Moderate or Mild? Yep, Thrombin is right to call out the inconsistency between mild and moderate, happy to take feedback, this was a first pass... Arguably, nothing BioWare has put out so far is particularly spoilery (agree with ravenous), but we're starting to see grumbles from people with different views, which is why we're discussing it. A spoiler sub-forum is coming, we'd just like to agree where the lines are first (before too much salt is thrown around )
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 15, 2016 23:04:09 GMT
As information drops post-N7 Day, we're starting to see discussions about SPOILERS ! Spoiler level- CRITICAL SPOILER: Reveal of critical spoilers such as character deaths (if applicable) key plot points or the game ending. Critical pre-launch leaks.
- MAJOR SPOILER: Reveal of quest solutions, outcomes, quest endings, plot beats. Major pre-launch leaks.
Spoiler actions- CRITICAL SPOILER: There should be none in the wild at this time, please discuss with a moderator before posting (for now)
- MAJOR SPOILER: There should be none in the wild at this time, please discuss with a moderator before posting (for now)
Any questions? Yes, I have a question. Since Mac Walters has already casually revealed "Critical Spoilers", I have shared my opinions on them, as have many others. I used tags, thought that was fine. However, this set of rules would indicate that I, and the rest, are actually not supposed to even discuss it under tags, like, anywhere? Sorry, but this seems pretty extreme. For reference, I will spoiler-tag the actual, Critical Spoilers: Protagonist!Ryder and all of the squadmates cannot die.
While that certainly is a spoiler, it's hardly something even Bioware felt the need to keep secret about. So it's a weird case. You said to discuss with a moderator before posting (too late, but eh), so this is me doing that.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 15, 2016 23:17:12 GMT
As information drops post-N7 Day, we're starting to see discussions about SPOILERS ! Spoiler level- CRITICAL SPOILER: Reveal of critical spoilers such as character deaths (if applicable) key plot points or the game ending. Critical pre-launch leaks.
- MAJOR SPOILER: Reveal of quest solutions, outcomes, quest endings, plot beats. Major pre-launch leaks.
Spoiler actions- CRITICAL SPOILER: There should be none in the wild at this time, please discuss with a moderator before posting (for now)
- MAJOR SPOILER: There should be none in the wild at this time, please discuss with a moderator before posting (for now)
Any questions? Yes, I have a question. Since Mac Walters has already casually revealed "Critical Spoilers", I have shared my opinions on them, as have many others. I used tags, thought that was fine. However, this set of rules would indicate that I, and the rest, are actually not supposed to even discuss it under tags, like, anywhere? Sorry, but this seems pretty extreme. For reference, I will spoiler-tag the actual, Critical Spoilers: Protagonist!Ryder and all of the squadmates cannot die.
While that certainly is a spoiler, it's hardly something even Bioware felt the need to keep secret about. So it's a weird case. You said to discuss with a moderator before posting (too late, but eh), so this is me doing that. Good example, BansheeOwnage, though I suspect that might be an interpretation thing as from a certain point of view, that's not possible in trilogy gameplay either... Either way, tags in case of doubt wins the day.
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Post by TheChosenOne on Nov 16, 2016 1:00:48 GMT
Why not just split the ME:A discussions into spoiler and spoiler free zone like how the old BSN did with the release of DA:I?
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Post by bshep on Nov 16, 2016 1:19:20 GMT
Why not just split the ME:A discussions into spoiler and spoiler free zone like how the old BSN did with the release of DA:I? Creating a spoiler free zone seems a lot more reasonable to me. Those guidelines seems a bit confusing (at least for to me).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 8:37:19 GMT
I dont really care if people want to know every little detail about the game before they have even played it. That's entirely up to them. I wish to god however people would stop being so god damn selfish and allow ME the choice as to whether I wish to know that information. You mods need to start handing out punishments for people not warning about spoilers. Its not fair that I should be subjected to not being allowed near the forums because people cannot be bothered sticking a warning up.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 16, 2016 10:21:06 GMT
Imo, people should chill a bit about the spoiler craze. While I agree that plot, ending and in general major story events should not be spoiled this is a forum where people talk about the game and what is a moderate or minor spoiler or not is a very subjective thing.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 16, 2016 14:42:14 GMT
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1st isn't a "Mass Effect: Andromeda General Discussion Forum" a place to discuss anything = general = key word?
My views: Anything that's published is fair game, imo. Same with rumours and leaks... = not official = all speculation. Besides, some leaks I'm convinced comes from the game dev / pub.... to generate interest / hype. Plus, anyone coming in the BSN expecting no spoilers are delusional, imo. We are here to talk about and find out about our favourite game(s). Plus+, thread titles are all constructed to generate interest. A spoiler free titles such as "Monday Dec 10th combat" is really exciting isn't it?
My take, is that anyone who wishes a spoiler free experience goes to the Spoiler Free Thread. However, I noticed that it is not very popular. There is a reason for that Not popular number = # of posts = nothing to talk about, imo = since this BSN's creation.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 16, 2016 15:20:10 GMT
Why not just split the ME:A discussions into spoiler and spoiler free zone like how the old BSN did with the release of DA:I? The problem with that is that I absolutely do not want to be spoiled about major plot points or plot twists. Nor do I want to be denied the opportunity of discovering things about both friends and foes in an organic way within the game. However, I do enjoy hearing about the game play and the premise. I want to see trailers and interviews. I can trust that if it's an officially released bit of information or footage that it won't spoil my enjoyment of the game to see it in advance but I can't trust the same with respect to leaks or information released unofficially. So there definitely needs to be at least three levels of spoiler. If it's all or nothing then I'll end up having to avoid the forums completely because a spoiler free area would have no useful information whatsoever and be a complete waste of time and a spoiler zone would be something to avoid until after I've played the game.
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Post by Ivory Samoan on Nov 16, 2016 16:45:22 GMT
Yes, I have a question. Since Mac Walters has already casually revealed "Critical Spoilers", I have shared my opinions on them, as have many others. I used tags, thought that was fine. However, this set of rules would indicate that I, and the rest, are actually not supposed to even discuss it under tags, like, anywhere? Sorry, but this seems pretty extreme. For reference, I will spoiler-tag the actual, Critical Spoilers: Protagonist!Ryder and all of the squadmates cannot die.
While that certainly is a spoiler, it's hardly something even Bioware felt the need to keep secret about. So it's a weird case. You said to discuss with a moderator before posting (too late, but eh), so this is me doing that. Good example, BansheeOwnage , though I suspect that might be an interpretation thing as from a certain point of view, that's not possible in trilogy gameplay either...
Either way, tags in case of doubt wins the day. Ohh yeah I hope Mac has pulled the ol' stick and move on this one, and led us to believe he means the overall story, where he actually means in combat/permadeath. Otherwise Mac, I have to say, it was a bit of a derp thing to leak this far out from release or at any time pre-release IMO... ..Leave some mystery mate, no need to break the fart barrier too soon in the relationship
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 16, 2016 18:26:52 GMT
Why not just split the ME:A discussions into spoiler and spoiler free zone like how the old BSN did with the release of DA:I? The problem with that is that I absolutely do not want to be spoiled about major plot points or plot twists. Nor do I want to be denied the opportunity of discovering things about both friends and foes in an organic way within the game. However, I do enjoy hearing about the game play and the premise. I want to see trailers and interviews. I can trust that if it's an officially released bit of information or footage that it won't spoil my enjoyment of the game to see it in advance but I can't trust the same with respect to leaks or information released unofficially. So there definitely needs to be at least three levels of spoiler. If it's all or nothing then I'll end up having to avoid the forums completely because a spoiler free area would have no useful information whatsoever and be a complete waste of time and a spoiler zone would be something to avoid until after I've played the game. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
And there is your answer. You want to see the ocean. You want to dip your toes in the water. But you don't want to get wet. Ain't gonna happen.
And, my point about the Spoiler Free Thread (see up thread) is an perfect example. To put it in context, there seems to be far fewer fans of this BSN that have SPOILER aversion than the rest of us, if the number of posts is any indication.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 5:13:13 GMT
Why not just split the ME:A discussions into spoiler and spoiler free zone like how the old BSN did with the release of DA:I? The problem with that is that I absolutely do not want to be spoiled about major plot points or plot twists. Nor do I want to be denied the opportunity of discovering things about both friends and foes in an organic way within the game. However, I do enjoy hearing about the game play and the premise. I want to see trailers and interviews. I can trust that if it's an officially released bit of information or footage that it won't spoil my enjoyment of the game to see it in advance but I can't trust the same with respect to leaks or information released unofficially. So there definitely needs to be at least three levels of spoiler. If it's all or nothing then I'll end up having to avoid the forums completely because a spoiler free area would have no useful information whatsoever and be a complete waste of time and a spoiler zone would be something to avoid until after I've played the game. It sounds like you should be using Google to find officially released trailers and news, while avoiding this place like the plague. We're in no hurry to get rid of you. We love having you; but the granularity you're seeking just doesn't seem reasonable in practice. I'd be in favor of a separate subforum for those who want to discuss things absolutely spoiler-free. Expecting the rest of us to maintain a tiered system of "spoilerness" is asking for disappointment. One of us will stumble, someone will get spoiled, and then people are sad, mad or generally unhappy. I think we all generally try to employ respectful spoiler behaviors, but plenty of spoilers still leak through daily once the pace quickens.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 9:38:04 GMT
It sounds like you should be using Google to find officially released trailers and news, while avoiding this place like the plague. We're in no hurry to get rid of you. We love having you; but the granularity you're seeking just doesn't seem reasonable in practice. I'd be in favor of a separate subforum for those who want to discuss things absolutely spoiler-free. Expecting the rest of us to maintain a tiered system of "spoilerness" is asking for disappointment. One of us will stumble, someone will get spoiled, and then people are sad, mad or generally unhappy. I think we all generally try to employ respectful spoiler behaviors, but plenty of spoilers still leak through daily once the pace quickens.All I'm doing is explaining why the OP, i.e. the Moderator, is right to request that we use spoilers for unofficial material. It isn't an all or nothing issue because there are degrees of spoilerishness which an all or nothing approach does nothing to acknowledge. I am aware that sometimes people slip up and spoilers get through but that's no reason not to have a policy which helps reduce the chances of that. I've been using the digitalspy forums for years and people are perfectly capable of respecting the spoiler rules on there. Why is it so hard to assume we can't do it here?
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 17, 2016 10:54:57 GMT
Thanks for the helpful discussion, which the moderators are also having We'll probably end up with Spoiler and Non-Spoiler sub-forums fairly soon, but some additional 'flagging' could help people make an informed decision about whet they are reading. I'm less convinced now, with the help of this thread, by the Major ==> Minor labelling, I think it could be better to just ask people to flag the type of spoilers being discussed so that people make a decision about the thread: e.g: - Trailer spoilers
- Plot spoilers
- Quest spoilers
- Side quest spoilers
- Ending spoilers
- Collectibles spoilers
- Character spoilers
- Dev spoilers
- Writer spoilers
- [Topic] Leak
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 17, 2016 15:04:06 GMT
Thanks for the helpful discussion, which the moderators are also having We'll probably end up with Spoiler and Non-Spoiler sub-forums fairly soon, but some additional 'flagging' could help people make an informed decision about whet they are reading. I'm less convinced now, with the help of this thread, by the Major ==> Minor labelling, I think it could be better to just ask people to flag the type of spoilers being discussed so that people make a decision about the thread: e.g: - Trailer spoilers
- Plot spoilers
- Quest spoilers
- Side quest spoilers
- Ending spoilers
- Collectibles spoilers
- Character spoilers
- Dev spoilers
- Writer spoilers
- [Topic] Leak
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It's my opinion. Don't lynch me.
In theory, for example, writing about the required system specs before Bio announces them is a spoiler.... classification?.. I don't know. However, tagging this as a spoiler is ludicrous, imo. My point is any new info can be considered a spoiler. The question is to what degree. POINT
Why are the spoiler complainants not happy with the Spoiler Free Forum? They have their very own forum to chat away. Therefore, there is no reason for them to complain from posts in the General Discussion Forum. They can copy / paste twit feeds and can then discuss. Maybe it's too much work. Let someone else do it. I don't go there, btw. POINT POINTUp thread, there was a poster that indicated he/she seeks information. Obviously, the SFF is void of such info. My guess is that the anti spoiler crowd do not post information because it would be... you guessed it. So, there is very little to chat about in the SFF. So, so, seeking info, they come to the GDF. But, hey, they find we are free spirits. Oops, something to complain about. How hypo of them. 3 x POINT It seems that the few and the proud demand that the general population bow down to their demands.
It's the very nature of a General Discussion Forum that information deemed a spoiler will be posted. It can't be helped. The dried up prune like Spoiler Free Forum is what you get. It's not a success story. Otherwise the anti spoiler crowd would be there and not here.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 15:25:11 GMT
SJ ...
I think you need to split the forums sooner rather than later ... as in naow. For a somewhat smallish group, everyone else must do double back flips with a twist off the high board ... then jump through flaming hoops ... only to miss something somewhere and ... oh, the humanity ... SPOILERS!
It's what EZ says ... things will slip through. People are excited, new information will pop, folks will prattle on ... not with any intent to spoil it for others, not with malicious intent ... just because they are enthused. So the non-spoiler crowd, hidden away in their cave, hear all the Whos in Whoville singing about ME:A ... and don't like it one bit.
Just split the forum into two major pieces. Non-spoiler ... where those who wish can play and play and play, without a spoiler care in the world. The rest of BSNuf, for those who might be going everywhere and anywhere to find every bit of real info, gossip, wild speculation, can play and play and play, all the live long day ... and not have to worry because ... OMG ... a thread title might reveal too much or a thread not listed as spoilery veers off topic into spoiler territory and ... it's the end of civilization as we know it.
Folks who don't want spoilers should not have to tip toe around ... just create the spoiler-free forum. If someone ventures out of the spoiler-free forum, they do so at their own risk ... which includes off topic and DA. For folks who instead seek out every jot and tittle of info, let them run free in their forum and all of BSNuf. With the clear understanding that they can't jump into the spoiler free realm and drop any kind of spoiler ... no way, no how. If they choose to explore the spoiler free zone, they do that at their own risk ... and must mind their manners, respect the territory they are traversing.
The spoiler-free crowd will complain that they shouldn't have to restrict themselves to just the spoiler-free forum and avoid things like off topic ... fair enough ... but you go to other parts of BSNuf at your own risk. BSNuf should not, as a collective, have to tip toe around because a small subset ... on a gaming website ... don't want to learn about a game. Don't want to learn about the game? Don't go to websites that have a major focus on games. QED.
The above sounds way more harsh than I intend. But in looking at the bureaucratic complexity ... lists ... spoiler levels, spoiler actions, 10 (10!!!!!!) spoiler categories ... lists of things and how to label and what things go where ... OMFG ... so much complexity ... this is insanity. Rule sets should be simple, straight forward, easy to comply with. The greater the complexity, the greater the chance that mistakes will be made. Simplify, simplify, simplify. Just split the forums. Please.
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