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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 16:03:14 GMT
It sounds like you should be using Google to find officially released trailers and news, while avoiding this place like the plague. We're in no hurry to get rid of you. We love having you; but the granularity you're seeking just doesn't seem reasonable in practice. I'd be in favor of a separate subforum for those who want to discuss things absolutely spoiler-free. Expecting the rest of us to maintain a tiered system of "spoilerness" is asking for disappointment. One of us will stumble, someone will get spoiled, and then people are sad, mad or generally unhappy. I think we all generally try to employ respectful spoiler behaviors, but plenty of spoilers still leak through daily once the pace quickens.All I'm doing is explaining why the OP, i.e. the Moderator, is right to request that we use spoilers for unofficial material. It isn't an all or nothing issue because there are degrees of spoilerishness which an all or nothing approach does nothing to acknowledge. I am aware that sometimes people slip up and spoilers get through but that's no reason not to have a policy which helps reduce the chances of that. I've been using the digitalspy forums for years and people are perfectly capable of respecting the spoiler rules on there. Why is it so hard to assume we can't do it here? I know you're just advocating and explaining what SofaJockey had initially proposed. I was just offering some potential issues for discussion. That forum sounds like a well behaved place. This forum, while full of generally cool people, doesn't exhibit the same level of self-restraint. I have personally witnessed the failure of spoiler blocks in several conversations in the past two weeks. In one conversation, we tried to keep a surprise for the uninformed to discover themselves. It took four posts for someone to arrive and blast the information "aloud". The obvious visual and written cues, such as everyone using spoiler blocks and talking about keeping it a surprise, didn't stop our bull in a china shop. That's the BSN. Keeping spoilers out of thread titles has always been a complicated concept for our crowd. When the significant spoilers start, people will actually get annoyed, upset, mad, whatever people get about this stuff. We may have bickering outbreak, and mods will have to intervene. People might rage-quit. They might start annoying our mods with PMs about spoiler-violations. Or, maybe they won't. I can't say for certain. This place is much more mellow than the madhouse that was the original BSN.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 17:36:04 GMT
POINT POINTUp thread, there was a poster that indicated he/she seeks information. Obviously, the SFF is void of such info. My guess is that the anti spoiler crowd do not post information because it would be... you guessed it. So, there is very little to chat about in the SFF. So, so, seeking info, they come to the GDF. But, hey, they find we are free spirits. Oops, something to complain about. How hypo of them.3 x POINT It seems that the few and the proud demand that the general population bow down to their demands.
It's the very nature of a General Discussion Forum that information deemed a spoiler will be posted. It can't be helped. The dried up prune like Spoiler Free Forum is what you get. It's not a success story. Otherwise the anti spoiler crowd would be there and not here. Just to be clear here. I'm not complaining about the current situation. Since I joined 2 months ago, I have been here reading everything I can from the Twitter thread, Biofan's speculation videos, pretty much every thread that catches my eye, GI's articles, the Bioware's Andromeda website etc. etc. So far, I haven't seen anything that contained any information not sanctioned by Bioware and certainly nothing I have any issue with learning. I am excited and eager to see these things and this forum is the best place to do that and to discuss the implications of that. The idea of a non-spoiler forum, to me, sounds completely pointless. What would anybody talk about? But I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that, as we get closer to release, there won't be unauthorized leaks which will reveal information that actually spoil the enjoyment of the game. Revealing plot twists or things that are supposed to surprise us about the people we meet in game and which will, therefore, diminish everybody's enjoyment should they hear about it before they get to experience it. Sure we all risk that sort of thing slipping out by mistake but that's what moderator's are for. To lay down guidelines and monitor forums to guard against those sorts of mistakes. Having said that, I notice there's no way to report a post which is the usual way to get the attention of a moderator to deal with a spoler that shouldn't be there before too many people see it. As much as I don't see the point of a spoiler-free zone I also don't like the idea of an anything goes, spoiler zone because that just leads to a complete free for all with no restraint at all. It's ok if the majority of the information is still coming out in a more general zone so we're not forced between two extremes but nobody who cares about the emotional impact of a Bioware story should be caught dead in a free for all until they've played the game. I agree with Grinch to the extent that we don't need to get quite as granular as a whole bunch of specific categories. It's useful if the nature of the spoiler is mentioned (some spoilers aren't even spoilers at the moment they're just to avoid posts taking up too much space!). Personally, as long as it's officially released by Bioware I don't even need a spoiler tag as I trust they wouldn't release information that would spoil our enjoyment of the game. If it's leaked and they didn't want to release the information, though, then maybe there's a reason for that. Maybe it will spoil something that would otherwise have been a great dramatic moment. In that case I can't see the harm in expecting people to spoiler it. For everybody's beneifit not just for some imagined entitled minority it seems you thought I represent.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 17, 2016 17:58:12 GMT
That forum sounds like a well behaved place. This forum, while full of generally cool people, doesn't exhibit the same level of self-restraint. I have personally witnessed the failure of spoiler blocks in several conversations in the past two weeks. In one conversation, we tried to keep a surprise for the uninformed to discover themselves. It took four posts for someone to arrive and blast the information "aloud". The obvious visual and written cues, such as everyone using spoiler blocks and talking about keeping it a surprise, didn't stop our bull in a china shop. That's the BSN. Keeping spoilers out of thread titles has always been a complicated concept for our crowd. When the significant spoilers start, people will actually get annoyed, upset, mad, whatever people get about this stuff. We may have bickering outbreak, and mods will have to intervene. People might rage-quit. They might start annoying our mods with PMs about spoiler-violations. Or, maybe they won't. I can't say for certain. This place is much more mellow than the madhouse that was the original BSN. Don't get me wrong, digitalspy has it's fair share of spoiler rows The "Game of Thrones" thread was notorious for having people who had read the books making comments that potentially hinted at what might happen in future TV episodes and then it exploded into whether or not it even counted as a spoiler given that the show sometimes deviated from the books! But the general principle of spoilers is certainly respected and adhered to. Threads which require spoilers have [NO SPOILERS] in the title or else they are described as UK Pace or US Pace (for TV shows) with the expectation that nothing outside spoiler tags is allowed if the episode hasn't been aired in the respective country yet. Any accidents are generally reported and intercepted by the moderators before the majority get to see them. I understand that spoilers are an inherent risk of an internet forum and that no guidelines can guarantee the avoidance of them but that's no reason not to try, IMO. The idea that it should just be a choice between no information at all and no restraint at all seems a bit extreme.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 18:08:13 GMT
That forum sounds like a well behaved place. This forum, while full of generally cool people, doesn't exhibit the same level of self-restraint. I have personally witnessed the failure of spoiler blocks in several conversations in the past two weeks. In one conversation, we tried to keep a surprise for the uninformed to discover themselves. It took four posts for someone to arrive and blast the information "aloud". The obvious visual and written cues, such as everyone using spoiler blocks and talking about keeping it a surprise, didn't stop our bull in a china shop. That's the BSN. Keeping spoilers out of thread titles has always been a complicated concept for our crowd. When the significant spoilers start, people will actually get annoyed, upset, mad, whatever people get about this stuff. We may have bickering outbreak, and mods will have to intervene. People might rage-quit. They might start annoying our mods with PMs about spoiler-violations. Or, maybe they won't. I can't say for certain. This place is much more mellow than the madhouse that was the original BSN. Don't get me wrong, digitalspy has it's fair share of spoiler rows The "Game of Thrones" thread was notorious for having people who had read the books making comments that potentially hinted at what might happen in future TV episodes and then it exploded into whether or not it even counted as a spoiler given that the show sometimes deviated from the books! But the general principle of spoilers is certainly respected and adhered to. Threads which require spoilers have [NO SPOILERS] in the title or else they are described as UK Pace or US Pace (for TV shows) with the expectation that nothing outside spoiler tags is allowed if the episode hasn't been aired in the respective country yet. Any accidents are generally reported and intercepted by the moderators before the majority get to see them. I understand that spoilers are an inherent risk of an internet forum and that no guidelines can guarantee the avoidance of them but that's no reason not to try, IMO. The idea that it should just be a choice between no information at all and no restraint at all seems a bit extreme. Agreed. Like I said originally, I think everyone is okay with trying to use sblocks and spoiler tags. I just worry that our mods might get swamped by complaints from less mature individuals if/when their expectations aren't met. I could be wrong, though. It's easy to judge this BSN by the past behaviors of the old BSN, when the two have been very different communities, thus far. This BSN is far more reasonable and mature than our old haunt, I'd say. You could be right that common sense and respect is enough to manage the situation. It's an interesting call to make. Maybe we need a Spoiler Free forum "just in case"? If someone raises an inordinate, out of proportion fuss, they could always be directed to this safe zone. It's probably better to have it in advance than to scramble to create it later.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 17, 2016 18:50:04 GMT
Just to say, getting a spoiler section up is actively being mod discussed, just that we are in different times zones so the discussion takes a few lunar cycles (we want to get it right and this discussion is helping). Thanks !
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Post by BioWareMod02 on Nov 18, 2016 8:41:09 GMT
I wasn't that troubled personally, but I remember one moderator who disliked moderating spoilers because they couldn't enjoy the game as much themselves.
I can imagine that with this forum's moderators being more invested, getting knowingly spoiled for the game must be quite a sacrifice.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 18, 2016 16:03:32 GMT
If someone fears getting spoiled they should act accordingly and not go places where people talk about the game.
You fear an inofficial leak? Put the blame on the leak - not on the people talking about it.
That's HOW NEWS WORK.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 18, 2016 17:42:23 GMT
If someone fears getting spoiled they should act accordingly and not go places where people talk about the game. You fear an inofficial leak? Put the blame on the leak - not on the people talking about it. That's HOW NEWS WORK. This is how I feel. At some point, I'm going to hear enough about Andromeda to feel satiated. Then I'll disappear or stick to the DA subforum until release. Avoiding spoilers is ultimately on me. I can't pop into a game discussion forum and be upset that the latest news concerning the game is being discussed. Maybe people will use spoiler etiquette, tags and blocks and such, but likely some won't. People aren't typically malicious, but they are short-sighted and dense, on average. Mingle with them at your own risk.
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Post by melbella on Nov 19, 2016 4:02:22 GMT
I know for me, I read threads from my "participated" page and after a while it's difficult to remember which threads are in the spoiler section and which are in the no spoiler section. Mishaps are bound to occur.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Nov 19, 2016 9:57:05 GMT
Im not really fussed about them personally because i can see them coming.
The Asari is...*stops reading*
But other people will need a spoiler section ASAP.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 19, 2016 13:31:31 GMT
After some useful feedback and criticisms, I've rejigged the spoiler guidelines to be more practical. Does the following help? I would welcome your feedback.
These are proposed guidelines v. 2.0What is a SPOILER?A spoiler could be any aspect of the game that by being revealed hampers someone's enjoyment. Which means that spoilers are highly subjective. For that reason, it makes more sense to keep it simple and classify spoilers so that people can make up their own minds. SPOILER RULES- Don't put spoilers in titles
- Don't drop spoilers from one type of discussion into another
- Explain what type of spoilers will be in your thread or post
- Use spoiler tags wherever appropriate
SPOILER CLASSIFICATIONS- BIOWARE REVEAL: BioWare released content in a trailer, website, tweet or interview that...
- BIOWARE STORY REVEAL: reveals plot or story content.
- BIOWARE GAMEPLAY REVEAL: reveals gameplay and/or mechanics.
- BIOWARE CHARACTER REVEAL*: reveals characters and romances.
- BIOWARE MULTIPLAYER REVEAL**: reveals the multiplayer.
- REVEALS by virtue of being released by BioWare pre-launch should be mild or from the early game.
- REVEALS may be discussed in GENERAL DISCUSSIONS - IF a non-spoilerific title is used and an indication of the content is given in the OP.
- *Character/romance threads will move to a separate sub-folder in due course.
- **Multiplayer reveals may be discussed in the MEA multiplayer forum so long as they don't significantly spoil the single player game.
- STORY SPOILERS: Unrevealed story/plot content from the game. Particularly take care with thread titles.
- ENDING SPOILERS: Unrevealed ending content from the game. Particularly take care with thread titles.
- QUEST SPOILERS: Walkthrough/quest guides, tips with impact on story.
- SIDE-QUEST/COLLECTIBLE SPOILERS: Walkthrough/side-quest and collectibles guides.
- *CHARACTER/ROMANCE SPOILERS: Romance specifics and relationship mechanics.
- UNREVEALED SPOILERS: Must be kept to the SPOILERS sub-forum (to follow)
- *Character/romance threads will move to a separate sub-folder in due course.
Any questions?
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Post by Awkward Octopus on Nov 19, 2016 20:37:48 GMT
I have a question. Or, maybe not as much a question as addressing that small elephant sitting in the corner.
As for me, I'm generally cool with hearing about and discussing anything coming out of BioWare officially. Once I feel like it's getting to be too much, I can always excuse myself from the forums and be content (sometimes BioWare releases too much, in my opinion - would have been nice to see most of the environments from DAI with fresh eyes, but I get that they were pretty keen on showing how different it was from DA2).
But, I want to ask about this "leak" from forever ago. I know it exists, I see people talk about it (though I do try to avoid it where I can), I see information from it (like character names) in thread titles, etc. I don't expect anything in it to be beyond what they're probably already planning to talk about prior to release, but I still prefer to avoid it until then.
That said, I know it's pretty old information at this point, and lots of people have read it. So I'm curious where it stands on the spoiler sliding scale. Personally, I want to avoid it as much as I can, but I get that sometimes minor things are going to slip (like the voice actor mentioning his favorite party member on Twitter today... that was news to me, but other people were talking about it like it was old hat, and I was worried there would be more information dropped than a name and species...).
Anyway. I'm not sure if all that counts as a question or request or both or neither, just kinda throwing it out there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 20:49:42 GMT
I personally find the concept of using spoiler tags for what often amounts to fan speculation really confusing. I personally don't know which fans on the site may have actual "insider" access, so I honestly just don't know if I'm spoiling anything for anyone when I'm merely repeating something that's already appeared on this site. I'm also unclear as to whether or not one should be concerned about using spoiler tags at all in discussing points about the original Mass Effect Trilogy so many years after its release. Although I know of some people who are still attempting to play the Trilogy blind, I don't often see spoiler tags on that forum at all... and I just assume that people don't really expect to be able to visit a forum so many years after release and not see any spoilers about the game play or story, etc.
TBH, SJ, none of the guidelines above really help me with deciding that sort of thing. I would think a no spoilers allowed sub-forum would be a clearer-cut solution (if people are finding the safe-zone thread insufficient because they can still see titles).
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 19, 2016 22:08:12 GMT
I personally find the concept of using spoiler tags for what often amounts to fan speculation really confusing. I personally don't know which fans on the site may have actual "insider" access, so I honestly just don't know if I'm spoiling anything for anyone when I'm merely repeating something that's already appeared on this site. I'm also unclear as to whether or not one should be concerned about using spoiler tags at all in discussing points about the original Mass Effect Trilogy so many years after its release. Although I know of some people who are still attempting to play the Trilogy blind, I don't often see spoiler tags on that forum at all... and I just assume that people don't really expect to be able to visit a forum so many years after release and not see any spoilers about the game play or story, etc. TBH, SJ, none of the guidelines above really help me with deciding that sort of thing. I would think a no spoilers allowed sub-forum would be a clearer-cut solution (if people are finding the safe-zone thread insufficient because they can still see titles). ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
That's the problem, those who complain don't go to the safe-zone.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 19, 2016 22:21:37 GMT
After some useful feedback and criticisms, I've rejigged the spoiler guidelines to be more practical. Does the following help? I would welcome your feedback.
These are proposed guidelines v. 2.0What is a SPOILER?A spoiler could be any aspect of the game that by being revealed hampers someone's enjoyment. Which means that spoilers are highly subjective. For that reason, it makes more sense to keep it simple and classify spoilers so that people can make up their own minds. SPOILER RULES- Don't put spoilers in titles
- Don't drop spoilers from one type of discussion into another
- Explain what type of spoilers will be in your thread or post
- Use spoiler tags wherever appropriate
SPOILER CLASSIFICATIONS- BIOWARE REVEAL: BioWare released content in a trailer, website, tweet or interview that...
- BIOWARE STORY REVEAL: reveals plot or story content.
- BIOWARE GAMEPLAY REVEAL: reveals gameplay and/or mechanics.
- BIOWARE CHARACTER REVEAL*: reveals characters and romances.
- BIOWARE MULTIPLAYER REVEAL**: reveals the multiplayer.
- REVEALS by virtue of being released by BioWare pre-launch should be mild or from the early game.
- REVEALS may be discussed in GENERAL DISCUSSIONS - IF a non-spoilerific title is used and an indication of the content is given in the OP.
- *Character/romance threads will move to a separate sub-folder in due course.
- **Multiplayer reveals may be discussed in the MEA multiplayer forum so long as they don't significantly spoil the single player game.
- STORY SPOILERS: Unrevealed story/plot content from the game. Particularly take care with thread titles.
- ENDING SPOILERS: Unrevealed ending content from the game. Particularly take care with thread titles.
- QUEST SPOILERS: Walkthrough/quest guides, tips with impact on story.
- SIDE-QUEST/COLLECTIBLE SPOILERS: Walkthrough/side-quest and collectibles guides.
- *CHARACTER/ROMANCE SPOILERS: Romance specifics and relationship mechanics.
- UNREVEALED SPOILERS: Must be kept to the SPOILERS sub-forum (to follow)
- *Character/romance threads will move to a separate sub-folder in due course.
Any questions? ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Yes I have Qs
1. Why are the anti-spoiler crowds avoiding the safe zone then complain? 2. Why are the anti-spoiler crowd not forced to go to the safe zone? No one else will bother them. 3. Has any mod(s) asked the anti-spoiler crowd why they are not going there? 4. Can you setup a Forum Thread only for the Anti spoiler crowd to answer "why they come to the GDF then complain?". 5. Can you guys not create a SPOILER FREE FORUM and let them at it and leave the rest of us alone?
SPOILER FREE ZONE only -- no game info here. GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM --- Anything goes.
That should taker care of everybody....
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 19, 2016 22:41:57 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Yes I have Qs
1. Why are the anti-spoiler crowds avoiding the safe zone then complain? 2. Why are the anti-spoiler crowd not forced to go to the safe zone? No one else will bother them. 3. Has any mod(s) asked the anti-spoiler crowd why they are not going there? 4. Can you setup a Forum Thread only for the Anti spoiler crowd to answer "why they come to the GDF then complain?". 5. Can you guys not create a SPOILER FREE FORUM and let them at it and leave the rest of us alone?
SPOILER FREE ZONE only -- no game info here. GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM --- Anything goes.
That should taker care of everybody....
Thanks for those thoughts, here's my views, I'd welcome others: 1. Why are the anti-spoiler crowds avoiding the safe zone then complain?The 'Safe Zone' is a respite thread, most game forums will allow discussion across much of their forum with spoiler areas and rules. 2. Why are the anti-spoiler crowd not forced to go to the safe zone? No one else will bother them.Because people are allowed to enjoy the forum, what we're proposing is some 'signposting'. 3. Has any mod(s) asked the anti-spoiler crowd why they are not going there?I haven't but I'm not expecting hordes to use it, many people lurk and will use it occasionally to check what content contains (non-spoilery). 4. Can you setup a Forum Thread only for the Anti spoiler crowd to answer "why they come to the GDF then complain?".That doesn't seem very constructive to me. Most spoiler issues are not because there are spoilers, but because people just 'blurt them out' unguarded. 5. Can you guys not create a SPOILER FREE FORUM and let them at it and leave the rest of us alone?I've seen very few posts getting shirty about spoilers, the work we're doing here is mostly pre-emptive. Other thoughts?
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 20, 2016 0:52:12 GMT
After some useful feedback and criticisms, I've rejigged the spoiler guidelines to be more practical. Does the following help? I would welcome your feedback.
These are proposed guidelines v. 2.0What is a SPOILER?A spoiler could be any aspect of the game that by being revealed hampers someone's enjoyment. Which means that spoilers are highly subjective. For that reason, it makes more sense to keep it simple and classify spoilers so that people can make up their own minds. SPOILER RULES- Don't put spoilers in titles
- Don't drop spoilers from one type of discussion into another
- Explain what type of spoilers will be in your thread or post
- Use spoiler tags wherever appropriate
Any questions? These all seem reasonable but there's not much in the way of guidelines as to how to interpret rule 4, above. Are you suggesting that all of the spoiler types listed should be spoiler-tagged all the time or that it depends on what type of thread they're in? I can envisage a thread title like "Latest gameinformer interview [BIOWARE CHARACTER REVEAL SPOILERS]" and then have everything in that thread outside of spoiler tags (as long as it didn't cover any other category). Or the tile could be "Gameinformer article [BIOWARE REVEAL SPOILERS]" and then include any and all information from the magazine without the need for tags (I assume that anything revealed by Game Informer is authorized for release by Bioware). The twitter feed would have [OFFICIAL BIOWARE SPOILERS] and any tweets / discussion other than leaks or unofficial sources would not need to be spoiler tagged.
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Post by Thrombin on Nov 20, 2016 0:57:46 GMT
I personally find the concept of using spoiler tags for what often amounts to fan speculation really confusing. I personally don't know which fans on the site may have actual "insider" access, so I honestly just don't know if I'm spoiling anything for anyone when I'm merely repeating something that's already appeared on this site. I'm also unclear as to whether or not one should be concerned about using spoiler tags at all in discussing points about the original Mass Effect Trilogy so many years after its release. Although I know of some people who are still attempting to play the Trilogy blind, I don't often see spoiler tags on that forum at all... and I just assume that people don't really expect to be able to visit a forum so many years after release and not see any spoilers about the game play or story, etc. TBH, SJ, none of the guidelines above really help me with deciding that sort of thing. I would think a no spoilers allowed sub-forum would be a clearer-cut solution (if people are finding the safe-zone thread insufficient because they can still see titles). Speculation is not a spoiler unless it's based on information derived from a spoiler. Some people even spoiler stuff just because it's a big picture or takes up a lot of room and they want to streamline the thread. The key to handling those is to make it clear what the reason for the spoiler tag is so that people can make their own minds up about clicking on it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 20, 2016 1:24:35 GMT
yep, I agree there is little point in: e.g. What does everyone think about... Either something trivial or a huge spoiler
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 20, 2016 6:14:40 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
SPOILER FREE ZONE only -- no game info here. GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM --- Anything goes.
That should taker care of everybody....
Except it wouldn't for the very simply reason of spoilers being subjective, as evidenced by this very thread. I think most people would like something in between those 2 extremes. For example, I'm good with any Bioware stuff, but don't want to know leaked info. Someone else will have a different opinion. Speaking of leaks, those should always be tagged, right? Like, potential future leaks, since it's a bit late for that Reddit one now?
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 20, 2016 11:01:10 GMT
Some great points: There is little point making a whole sub-forum spoiler-free (ref: what is a spoiler?) because BioWare trailers/marketing are going to get discussed. The 'Safe Zone' thread is a 'quiet' retreat, we couldn't sustain a whole sub-forum like that. I think absolutely Thrombin is onto something, so here's a tweak on 'the rules' - Don't put spoilers in thread titles.
- Explain what type of spoilers will be in your thread/post, in the OP and preceding any spoiler tag.
- Don't post spoilers that are unrelated to the topic being discussed.
- Spoiler tags are for content related to the topic under discussion, but not obviously expected.
Example 1: Title
Let's say there is a leak that the antagonists are the Elcor...
Bad titles would be:
- The Elcor are the enemy
- Guess what (with unrestrained emotion)...
A better title would be:
- Reddit leak about who the antagonist is
Example 2: Classify the spoiler content in your thread or spoiler post
We'd all be a lot happier is we knew what we were getting into, so classify the OP or spoiler tag with a quick description:
[SOURCE]-[SUBJECT]-[TYPE]
Source: BioWare / GameInformer(or other) / Reddit / etc Subject: Story / Ending / Character / Multiplayer / Quests / Collectibles / Gameplay / Builds / etc Type: Trailer / Tweet / Article / Leak / etc
So, that Elcor antagonist, I'd expect this in the OP of that thread:
REDDIT STORY (ANTAGONIST) LEAK
This thread is about the Reddit leak (link) about who the game's antagonist is which is...
The Elcor !
Others (as we've discussed) could be:
[SOURCE]-[SUBJECT]-[TYPE] BioWare Tempest Tweet GameInformer BroRyder Article Reddit Multiplayer Leak etc
Example 3: Unrelated spoilers
In a thread about the Asari, Peebee, it would be wrong to drop in information about an unrelated character death. In a thread about weapon mechanics, it would be wrong to drop in character/romance spoilers. Stay on topic.
Example 4: Use Spoiler tags when introducing content not directly covered by the thread title or OP.
Let's say there is a leak that the antagonists are the Elcor... Then discussing the Elcor in the context of the leak is fine as that's on-topic.
If someone wants to bring in a related reveal about the Hanar, that would be worth spoiler tagging.
In essence, Sartoz is right with the concept (my wording): 'you're on a game forum, stop whining' But with some simple directions, we can minimise those 'oops' moments without making it impossible to say anything.
Thoughts?
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 20, 2016 11:20:36 GMT
Spoiler guidelines v. 2.1What is a SPOILER?A spoiler could be any aspect of the game that by being revealed hampers someone's enjoyment. Which means that spoilers are highly subjective. So be careful. For that reason, it makes more sense to keep it simple and classify spoilers so that people can make up their own minds about what to read. SPOILER RULES- Don't put spoilers in thread titles.
- Explain what type of spoilers will be in your thread [SOURCE-SUBJECT-TYPE] in the OP and before any spoiler tag.
- Don't post spoilers that are unrelated to the topic being discussed.
- Spoiler tags are for content related to the topic under discussion, but not covered in the OP.
SPOILER CLASSIFICATIONS- Explain what type of spoilers will be in your thread [SOURCE-SUBJECT-TYPE] in the OP and before any spoiler tag.
- Source (where it came from): BioWare / GameInformer(or other) / Reddit / etc
- Subject (what's the spoiler about: Story / Ending / Character / Multiplayer / Quests / Collectibles / Gameplay / Builds / etc
- Type (how it was revealed): Trailer / Tweet / Article / Leak / etc
- Examples: BioWare Tempest Tweet / GameInformer BroRyder Article / Reddit Multiplayer Leak
Is this working for people?
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Post by BadgerladDK on Nov 20, 2016 11:38:03 GMT
I'd still prefer to just release the hounds, but this is a workable solution. Not as overly complicated as the initial version.
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 20, 2016 11:39:11 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
SPOILER FREE ZONE only -- no game info here. GENERAL DISCUSSION FORUM --- Anything goes.
That should taker care of everybody....
Except it wouldn't for the very simply reason of spoilers being subjective, as evidenced by this very thread. I think most people would like something in between those 2 extremes. For example, I'm good with any Bioware stuff, but don't want to know leaked info. Someone else will have a different opinion. Speaking of leaks, those should always be tagged, right? Like, potential future leaks, since it's a bit late for that Reddit one now? ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Point on the subjective but then you can't control subjective either. What I don't understand is this fanaticism about spoilers. Bewilders me to no end. The good of the many corrupted by the will of the few is my guess. Interesting enough, Bio is coming out with new and gradual information about the game... The recent cinematic trailer generated a huge jump in the number of concurrent users of this BSN. To me it means many / most all / wanted this new information. And, the discussion it generated was great.... But, if I understand correctly, it's a bloody spoiler or can be seen as one. Bah... Balderdash.
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Post by SofaJockey on Nov 20, 2016 12:04:42 GMT
Except it wouldn't for the very simply reason of spoilers being subjective, as evidenced by this very thread. I think most people would like something in between those 2 extremes. For example, I'm good with any Bioware stuff, but don't want to know leaked info. Someone else will have a different opinion. Speaking of leaks, those should always be tagged, right? Like, potential future leaks, since it's a bit late for that Reddit one now? ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Point on the subjective but then you can't control subjective either. What I don't understand is this fanaticism about spoilers. Bewilders me to no end. The good of the many corrupted by the will of the few is my guess. Interesting enough, Bio is coming out with new and gradual information about the game... The recent cinematic trailer generated a huge jump in the number of concurrent users of this BSN. To me it means many / most all / wanted this new information. And, the discussion it generated was great.... But, if I understand correctly, it's a bloody spoiler or can be seen as one. Bah... Balderdash. We're all different Sartoz, I'd like to find a way forward (before it has become a big issue) that helps those 'triggered' by any type of reveal (and there are those people), but also doesn't annoy too much, folk such as yourself
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