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Post by KamenRyder on Dec 20, 2016 2:15:13 GMT
Why shame on Lana? Did Ameen not know about this before hand? Nobody knows exactly what happened behind the scenes it could just be that they didn't get along Lana Wachowski ain't no angel herself if we consider her comment a while back where she blames blacks for trans people's problems.
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Post by JayKay on Dec 20, 2016 3:32:26 GMT
Why shame on Lana? Did Ameen not know about this before hand? Nobody knows exactly what happened behind the scenes it could just be that they didn't get along Lana Wachowski ain't no angel herself if we consider her comment a while back where she blames blacks for trans people's problems.Oh for fuck's sake. So...yeah, how about that Liam, eh? With his hair and shit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 3:44:24 GMT
Yeah, we are in desperate need for some Liam information. Maybe his face? Maybe his VA? Any Bioware devs lurking that can help us out?
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Post by JayKay on Dec 20, 2016 4:35:53 GMT
I think we'd even take which way his hair naturally parts at this point.
But hey, IGN's supposed to be giving out a lot of exclusives in January, maybe one of them will be Liam and Cora's faces. That might make us forgive them for Diana Allers...might.
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Post by jediguardian on Dec 20, 2016 6:36:16 GMT
I want Liam... face for Christmas gift. Just one screenshot please.
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Post by Marinade Plushie on Dec 20, 2016 23:10:38 GMT
I want Liam... face for Christmas gift. Just one screenshot please. So much this! Just to make sure though, the screenshot must be a nice, crisp screenshot of Liam's awesome hair and face. (None of that blurry stuffs!)
Pretty please Bioware?!
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Post by Sifr on Dec 21, 2016 9:39:16 GMT
Knowing Bioware, the screenshot would be cropped to only display his awesome hair. And I'm okay with that.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Dec 21, 2016 10:58:30 GMT
Knowing Bioware, the screenshot would be cropped to only display his awesome hair. And I'm okay with that. I won't. There's more to a man than hair. I'm curious to hear his voice and know more about his personality, too.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 21, 2016 13:03:39 GMT
Ahaha Solas your eyebrows are on fleek, You don't need no fancy hair. Precious Egg. Still mad at you tho.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Dec 23, 2016 4:56:04 GMT
Knowing Bioware, the screenshot would be cropped to only display his awesome hair. And I'm okay with that. I won't. There's more to a man than hair. I'm curious to hear his voice and know more about his personality, too. Just making my contribution
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Post by Kian on Dec 23, 2016 11:50:43 GMT
Well, apparently the rumors about why Aml Ameen walked off the set of Sens8 season 2 was because he got into a huge argument with Lana Wachowski after he refused to do a scene where his character had gay content. If you know anything about Sens8, his character in Season 1 was the only guy who wasn't involved in some level of gay content. So, and I know it's totally speculation that he's involved, but if he were the voice actor for Liam, that would be a pretty sure fire sign that Liam is a straight character. If that's the case, and it certainly looks like, I really hope the guy doesn't get the job. It would sour everything connected to the character (yes even if it's a meta approach. call me crazy, but I have this thing where I can't stand stupidity, and homophobia is a prime example of it). As for the reveal, eh. Just saw a vid on youtube where they speculated Liam and Cora might be kept "hidden" because they are being made to look like their VA's (like Miranda for example). Or that they are still working on graphics and facial animations. I don't think that last one is true... I would imagine with a few months to launch the game is done at this point? But I have no idea about the develoment process so who knows.
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Post by KamenRyder on Dec 23, 2016 14:04:34 GMT
Well, apparently the rumors about why Aml Ameen walked off the set of Sens8 season 2 was because he got into a huge argument with Lana Wachowski after he refused to do a scene where his character had gay content. If you know anything about Sens8, his character in Season 1 was the only guy who wasn't involved in some level of gay content. So, and I know it's totally speculation that he's involved, but if he were the voice actor for Liam, that would be a pretty sure fire sign that Liam is a straight character. If that's the case, and it certainly looks like, I really hope the guy doesn't get the job. It would sour everything connected to the character (yes even if it's a meta approach. call me crazy, but I have this thing where I can't stand stupidity, and homophobia is a prime example of it). That's not homophobia, some folks just aren't gay for pay and showrunners/directors should be considerate of that.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Dec 23, 2016 19:45:07 GMT
If that's the case, and it certainly looks like, I really hope the guy doesn't get the job. It would sour everything connected to the character (yes even if it's a meta approach. call me crazy, but I have this thing where I can't stand stupidity, and homophobia is a prime example of it). That's not homophobia, some folks just aren't gay for pay and showrunners/directors should be considerate of that. It depends. Are we talking about a live-action scenario where you actually have to make out with someone? I can understand not wanting to do that, but is it really much different from making out with someone you don't like that's the opposite sex? But if we're talking about voice acting, yes it's just plain homophobia. You're just reading lines. It's called acting for a reason. I have a strange feeling a lot of people (not necessarily you) would see it differently if we were talking about a gay actor who wouldn't do straight content. Funny that. So I hope Bioware would hire someone else if that was the case, especially if they intended Liam to be gay/bi. If they changed his sexuality based on what the VA was cool with, that's pretty hypocritical of their inclusive mantra. I feel like they would rather get someone else than do that, and that they'd probably probe each VA who did romances about it before hiring them, but maybe that's just me having too much faith in them for once?
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Post by JayKay on Dec 23, 2016 19:55:24 GMT
What confuses me with the Sense8 fiasco is that you would think that he would know in advance that his character would have that type of scene? If he wasn't aware of it beforehand, then I would put the blame on the producers on that front.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2016 20:25:12 GMT
What confuses me with the Sense8 fiasco is that you would think that he would know in advance that his character would have that type of scene? If he wasn't aware of it beforehand, then I would put the blame on the producers on that front. This is totally off topic, but I have a thought or two on this. I tend to think that he is totally within his right to leave the production if they are asking him to do something that he doesn't feel comfortable with. I wouldn't say it's homophobic, but I do think it's a little silly. He spent the entire first season fighting and killing people but had no moral qualms about that. But, again, it's his right. That being said, it's not the producers' fault either. Actors do just that ACT. They sign a contract and are usually made aware of what they'll be expected to do in advance. Even if he weren't made aware in advance, she (Lana) is within her right to make creative changes on set. Jamie Clayton made a tweet or two that makes it sound like Aml made some disrespectful statements in the process but she's walking that back now. Ultimately, I don't think the whole is a big deal on either end. I only mentioned it because, if he WERE Liam, it might suggest that he wouldn't do gay content. And anyway......how about that Liam?
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Post by fialka on Dec 23, 2016 20:35:37 GMT
Yeah... About that Liam. His um... helmet is nice. And his pants are very... supportive? I guess we're past the point of a potential Christmas info present now? Was kinda hoping we'd get something.
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 23, 2016 22:47:41 GMT
If that's the case, and it certainly looks like, I really hope the guy doesn't get the job. It would sour everything connected to the character (yes even if it's a meta approach. call me crazy, but I have this thing where I can't stand stupidity, and homophobia is a prime example of it). That's not homophobia, some folks just aren't gay for pay and showrunners/directors should be considerate of that. Some of the better actors manage. And no one considers the feelings of LGBT actors/actresses when casting them as straight people. Or should everyone be typecast so that only straights play straights and gays play gays?
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Post by dmc1001 on Dec 23, 2016 22:50:11 GMT
What confuses me with the Sense8 fiasco is that you would think that he would know in advance that his character would have that type of scene? If he wasn't aware of it beforehand, then I would put the blame on the producers on that front. This is totally off topic, but I have a thought or two on this. I tend to think that he is totally within his right to leave the production if they are asking him to do something that he doesn't feel comfortable with. I wouldn't say it's homophobic, but I do think it's a little silly. He spent the entire first season fighting and killing people but had no moral qualms about that. But, again, it's his right. That being said, it's not the producers' fault either. Actors do just that ACT. They sign a contract and are usually made aware of what they'll be expected to do in advance. Even if he weren't made aware in advance, she (Lana) is within her right to make creative changes on set. Jamie Clayton made a tweet or two that makes it sound like Aml made some disrespectful statements in the process but she's walking that back now. Ultimately, I don't think the whole is a big deal on either end. I only mentioned it because, if he WERE Liam, it might suggest that he wouldn't do gay content. And anyway......how about that Liam? Didn't the Shepard VA's simply record much of the same dialogue? IOW, Scott and Sara may have many of the same lines and gender might not factor into the equation very much. Also, there's a big difference between reading lines and, for example, having to kiss someone.
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Post by KamenRyder on Dec 24, 2016 1:25:10 GMT
That's not homophobia, some folks just aren't gay for pay and showrunners/directors should be considerate of that. It depends. Are we talking about a live-action scenario where you actually have to make out with someone? I can understand not wanting to do that, but is it really much different from making out with someone you don't like that's the opposite sex? I was talking live-action scenario. Gay or straight actors shouldn't be forced in to HBO tier sex scenes if they aren't comfortable with it. I'm assuming that's what happened to Aml Ameen. Iirc, his character Capheus is a JVCD fanboy that was portrayed a bit homoerotically. Bro probably had no problem playing an ambiguously gay character until more extreme stuff was forced on him. I also don't think Luke Grimes is homophobic for walking out on True Blood when they tried to do the same to him. Anyway last time I'm posting about this, don't want to derail the thread.
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Post by Kian on Dec 24, 2016 14:13:52 GMT
That's not homophobia, some folks just aren't gay for pay and showrunners/directors should be considerate of that. It depends. Are we talking about a live-action scenario where you actually have to make out with someone? I can understand not wanting to do that, but is it really much different from making out with someone you don't like that's the opposite sex? But if we're talking about voice acting, yes it's just plain homophobia. You're just reading lines. It's called acting for a reason. I have a strange feeling a lot of people (not necessarily you) would see it differently if we were talking about a gay actor who wouldn't do straight content. Funny that. So I hope Bioware would hire someone else if that was the case, especially if they intended Liam to be gay/bi. If they changed his sexuality based on what the VA was cool with, that's pretty hypocritical of their inclusive mantra. I feel like they would rather get someone else than do that, and that they'd probably probe each VA who did romances about it before hiring them, but maybe that's just me having too much faith in them for once? Very well said. This is one of the reasons I hope they do a bigger reaveal haha... I mean besides curiosity That way we can "prepare" for whatever as opposed to being pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised. Then again a bit over 3 months left hopefully, so no biggie!
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 24, 2016 15:49:47 GMT
So... Liam. Neither hide nor hair has been seen of him, yet his thread is the most viewed in the characters sub-forum. What's that all about?
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Post by KamenRyder on Dec 24, 2016 16:03:07 GMT
So... Liam. Neither hide nor hair has been seen of him, yet his thread is the most viewed in the characters sub-forum. What's that all about? I think his space suit has given him a lot of attention. Dude looks so casual while Ryder and other members are suited for war Based off his icon I think his hair is gonna look something like this: With goggles. I just hope BW doesn't go all Fifth Element with him lol
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 24, 2016 16:38:58 GMT
... I just hope BW doesn't go all Fifth Element with him lol Could be a good look
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2016 22:26:30 GMT
Anyone else slightly afraid Liam won't be an option for mRyder? They did say they want to avoid making characters too similar to trilogy characters and so another buff bisexual bro might be to similar to Kaidan. They already admitted to cutting one because they were too much like a previous squad mate.
On the other hand I'm 1000% sure every gender and sexuality will have at least one human option and one alien. Liam appears to be the only male human companion so it would make sense that he's bi.
I truly have no idea what Liam will be, lol.
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Post by Marinade Plushie on Dec 25, 2016 2:05:52 GMT
Anyone else slightly afraid Liam won't be an option for mRyder? They did say they want to avoid making characters too similar to trilogy characters and so another buff bisexual bro might be to similar to Kaidan. They already admitted to cutting one because they were too much like a previous squad mate. On the other hand I'm 1000% sure every gender and sexuality will have at least one human option and one alien. Liam appears to be the only male human companion so it would make sense that he's bi. I truly have no idea what Liam will be, lol. I am a little concerned that he won't be for mRyder, but not gonna worry about it for now. I'll just wait until they release more information about him. I am hoping that they will release more Liam info soon though! I am getting a bit impatient.
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