Unpopular Opinions: Multiplayer Edition

Oh good, back to this nonsense, are we?

This weapon is too light for the damage it does, that weapon is too easy to use, this weapon trivializes certain enemies, that weapon does too much damage in little time. This character is too OP, that character has stim packs, HM etc. It's almost like the game would be better off with 1 boring character and 1 boring weapon so that all these sensitive folk could live in eternal happiness.

As for skill-based weapon, let's be brutally honest here. In a game where enemies make same predictable rolls and movements, where spawns can be easily controlled, it's silly to talk about how you need some uber-skill to use a weapon. The more you play, the game becomes easier. This is not to say some players are not better than others, but talk about skill is just silly. Sure, some weapons are easy to use and require less focus but not everyone who plays this game is obsessed about topping the scoreboard with shuriken.

And as for "ugh reegar and flamer spoil the game for me" garbage, there is a simple solution. Leave the lobby. There are plenty of lobbies without these characters. And maybe the flamer user or reegar user enjoys it. Maybe the player enjoys watching enemies burn or sending enemies flying with the venom. Maybe they despise all of you for your elitist attitude. 

And also, I've seen plenty of people from here who have shamelessly spawn-nuked claiming some sort of 'Oh I hate these enemies', 'I want the game to go by quicker', etc etc. We all know the true intentions behind this! So, if you want to judge, be prepare to get judged!

Have to agree with you on this. Is initially a lot more survivable during the L2P stage, but AIU and GI are really not that far behind though and imo, surpass him once mastered.

seriously though, melee TGI (w/ Venom) is legitimately one of the funnest setups in the game, try it if you don't believe me

Wow, this thread sure picked up speed fast.

Let me try and get my thoughts together.

There will inevitably be "OP" weapons simply by virtue of comparison. The ones who come on the very top will always be OP. I don't have a problem with that. There also won't be a "perfect" balancing where most combinations of kits and weapons will deliver times/results in the same ballpark. That's not what bothers me. There will always be OP, decent and weak weapons.

What I consider bad for the game (i.e. player's experience) are weapons that offer entirely too much for entirely too little cost (and yes, I realize that is a subjective measure). Or ones that negate the more difficult aspects of the game, which otherwise you would need to master by developing your skill.

Reetard and Krysae on its release are fine examples of the former. Stick the Reetard on even a semi-tanky kit and you negate it's one weakness - having to get close range. You don't even have to get that close, even if that will make you less than optimal. What's the first recommendation for Gold/Plat solo - (Kroguard) Reetard. Cause it is incredibly easy. Why do I consider the Wraith among that weapons group - it gives the option to OSOK mooks to casters for entirely too light a penalty. Yes, you wouldn't want to take it for a speedrun, but it requires barely any skill to use and it almost doesn't affect your casting cycles' speed. The Arc Pistol on the other hand - yes, its damage-to-weight ratio is a bit too much for my preference, but you still need to develop skills to use it. It certainly doesn't bother me as much(we are once again at the subjective part here). Acolyte negates everything humanoid and it is so light that it allows you to carry a secondary weapon or have fast enough casting cycle to deal with bosses efficiently.

As for the former - let's take the Venom for example. It trivializes mooks. Entire mobs of mooks, in fact. Stick the incendiary glitch on it and you melt bosses down, too, which is why it is a prime consideration for subbing 20. With Venom, you never need learn about the different behaviour modes of phantoms, how to trigger switching between them, or how to move around the map in order to avoid getting yourself exposed to too much damage too fast. Compare it with the Scorpion - the pistol performs similar functions but to a lesser, acceptable degree. Less CC, less damage overall and less damage to bosses in particular.

There is also the team game aspect - excessive screen shake, being blinded by constant yellow or blue flame is sure as hell no fun. Having a braindead TGI teammate staying alive thanks to guzzling astronomical quantities of Stim Packs, forcing spawns in the most inopportune places (for added value - on objective waves) is no fun. Watching an Incendiary glitched Reetarded Valkyrie melt down an Atlas in a single clip is no fun. I guess I should add a third category to the weapons bad for the game - those that offer too much DPS in absolute terms. Reetard somehow manages to check all three boxes, LOL.

I derive pleasure from gameplay mainly by the sense of mastery over it. Many people pile on the DA2 combat system, but it got one thing right - the power trip. By the time you had leveled your character and mastered the game fundamentals, you dealt with most encounters if not with ease, certainly with grace and control.

It's when that feeling of grace is diminished that I deem the powers/weapons that have caused that bad for the game. Subjective, I know.

Oh yeah there's no question about that, but obviously GI is better at everything so that sort of goes without saying.. Melee GI is another build I haven't played in forever that is super fun, I'm going to have to do that soon as well. 

This right here is the reason you nuke them. Crafty buggers.

I'm guessing that was off-host? Venom definitely has major issues if there's significant lag,

(porking as intended)

Oh, Nat, where are you, buddy, to see how we proudly keep your tradition going... 

You monster lol