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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 18, 2016 18:36:33 GMT
The one I have now runs just fine, but I've noticed with the newer games that I'm having to set the graphics lower. Poor thing is 5 years old now. At the very least I know I need to upgrade my graphics card, and probably the processor? Problem is other than replacing a graphics card I have no idea what I'm doing. Replacing the processor looks easy enough though. I'm driving myself nuts looking at stuff, but then do I need to upgrade anything else? Power supply, memory, etc? Which leads me to...what to get? I don't want to spend a lot of money, and I don't need top-of-the-line. I do however want to get stuff good enough that I don't have to worry about this for another few years. Fiddling with my pc makes me nervous. Currently I have: Processor - Intel Core i5-2500K CPU @ 3030 GHz Graphics Card - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560ti 1 GB Any suggestions welcome.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 18:52:21 GMT
I can share my PC upgrade experience Updating my PC: I'll just update the outdated parts. Find out every component is outdated. Result: new computer and bankruptcy.
I think you are lucky if you can find a processor that will actually fit in the mother board, I couldn't.
I have GeForce GTX 970 4GB (little less than 300€) AMD FX-4300 quad-core 3,8GHz (around 80€)
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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 18, 2016 18:56:12 GMT
And that's what I was worried about, was the new stuff I get not working with stuff I really don't want to upgrade.
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Post by MrR40 on Nov 18, 2016 19:41:51 GMT
Besides the processor and graphics card, I would also like to know which/what of the following you have:
Motherboard RAM ( amount ) Power supply max watt amount
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Post by mousestalker on Nov 18, 2016 20:23:10 GMT
If you have installed a new graphics card successfully, then you have all the skills needed to upgrade your computer. You will likely want to update your processor. Which means a new motherboard and possibly new RAM as well. Most CPU's come with a fan, so don't bother with that. What budget range are you looking at? If it helps any, I typically start at Newegg with the processor and see what motherboards it fits in. Then price out any other components needed. Once I have my shopping list, I look for deals from any and all reputable vendors (not just Newegg).
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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 18, 2016 20:29:07 GMT
Besides the processor and graphics card, I would also like to know which/what of the following you have: Motherboard RAM ( amount ) Power supply max watt amount Motherboard - ASUS P8P67-M PRO (Intel p67 Chipset) Memory - 8GB Power - 750W
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Post by MrR40 on Nov 18, 2016 22:08:50 GMT
Besides the processor and graphics card, I would also like to know which/what of the following you have: Motherboard RAM ( amount ) Power supply max watt amount Motherboard - ASUS P8P67-M PRO (Intel p67 Chipset) Memory - 8GB Power - 750W Your power supply is good ( more than enough ) and so is your memory ( 16 gb is unnecessary as you and me both do not need top of the line ) The processor is also good enough., upgrading to a newer gen i5 is barely cost effective. In my opinion replacing the GPU would suffice. Like mousestalker said, newegg might be a good place to start. I personally would recommend the GTX 970, it should work on older motherboards as well( PCIe 3.0 card in a PCIe 2.0 motherboard ) I noticed some refurbished gtx 970 cards so you might want to check those out if you have no qualms about used parts. Hope this helps
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Post by spacev3gan on Nov 19, 2016 4:56:20 GMT
The processor is good, not far behind the most recent i5 and likely faster than all i3 processors. I would not change it. 8GB of memory ram is also OK for today's needs.
The graphics card is where you should focus on. The best bang for the buck nowadays for the usual 1080p resolution games at High Settings is the RX 470 4GB, which costs about 200 dollars in the US. The RX 470 8GB model, the RX 480 8GB and the Gtx 1060 6GB are a bit faster (games at Very High/Ultra Settings) and also a bit more expensive, in the $220-280 range. The Gtx 1050ti 4GB is also an attractive card for Medium/High Settings, at about $150.
All of these cards are very recent releases, they all got released pretty much over the last summer. So they can handle 2016's games smoothly and should have no issues with Mass Effect Andromeda and 2017's games as well. 1080p 60 frames per second will make console peasants envious! I personally have a RX 470 8GB and I love it.
Now I would make sure the Power Supply Unit can handle it flawlessly. '750w' doesn't really tell us much about it. Brand and model are more important than the wattage on the label, as there are many generic Power Supply Units in the market that aren't completely reliable. In case you have to buy one, a good 500 to 550w Power Supply Unit from reliable brands like EVGA and Corsair aren't expensive, around the 60 to 80 dollars range.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Nov 19, 2016 5:09:03 GMT
The processor is good, not far behind the most recent i5 and likely faster than all i3 processors. I would not change it. 8GB of memory ram is also OK for today's needs. The graphics card is where you should focus on. The best bang for the buck nowadays for the usual 1080p resolution games at High Settings is the RX 470 4GB, which costs about 200 dollars in the US. The RX 470 8GB model, the RX 480 8GB and the Gtx 1060 6GB are a bit faster (games at Very High/Ultra Settings) and also a bit more expensive, in the $220-280 range. The Gtx 1050ti 4GB is also an attractive card for Medium/High Settings, at about $150. All of these cards are very recent releases, they all got released pretty much over the last summer. So they can handle 2016's games smoothly and should have no issues with Mass Effect Andromeda and 2017's games as well. 1080p 60 frames per second will make console peasants envious! I personally have a RX 470 8GB and I love it. Now I would make sure the Power Supply Unit can handle it flawlessly. '750w' doesn't really tell us much about it. Brand and model are more important than the wattage on the label, as there are many generic Power Supply Units in the market that aren't completely reliable. In case you have to buy one, a good 500 to 550w Power Supply Unit from reliable brands like EVGA and Corsair aren't expensive, around the 60 to 80 dollars range. Power supply is a Corsair TX750. Thanks everyone for recommendations and advice
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Post by themikefest on Nov 19, 2016 13:01:41 GMT
This is the pc you want. The personal console
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Post by nanotm on Nov 19, 2016 13:23:41 GMT
The one I have now runs just fine, but I've noticed with the newer games that I'm having to set the graphics lower. Poor thing is 5 years old now. At the very least I know I need to upgrade my graphics card, and probably the processor? Problem is other than replacing a graphics card I have no idea what I'm doing. Replacing the processor looks easy enough though. I'm driving myself nuts looking at stuff, but then do I need to upgrade anything else? Power supply, memory, etc? Which leads me to...what to get? I don't want to spend a lot of money, and I don't need top-of-the-line. I do however want to get stuff good enough that I don't have to worry about this for another few years. Fiddling with my pc makes me nervous. Currently I have: Processor - Intel Core i5-2500K CPU @ 3030 GHz Graphics Card - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560ti 1 GB Any suggestions welcome. you only "*need* to upgrade the graphics card, your options for something that will work not just well but *good* for gaming are limited to gtx 1070 4gb or better or amd's rx480 /fury 8gb cards, personally I went with the rx480 8gb card because it was half the price of the gtx card and still achieved good performance... also with the ram, if your mobo can support 16gb of ram then I would add in t he extra 8gb, and if you don't already have one get an SSD to use as your main drive (stick to 250gb ones because the 500's tend not to be as fast as the 7200hdd's) don't get a hybrid drive. if your going for a full replacement of the guts including cpu and mobo then its more about budget, if your budget is less than $500 your stuck going the second hand parts or amd route... personally I tend to prefer the amd route as they are always half the price for often the same or better performance although I tend to be doing photo/video editing so i'm actually using it instead of just the first two cores for gaming (although mantle/vulkan and dx12 are going to change that quite a lot) and if your going the amd route then freesync monitors are less than half the price of gsync ones so you get to save even more money and still get the same performance you just have to be prepared to tweak a few default settings for your rig as to the power supply, if its 80+ gold certified (or better ) then keep it and use it, if its not then get something that is that way you can be certain its not going to kill your rig if it runs for several hours in a hot environment .....
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Post by bmwcrazy on Nov 19, 2016 19:21:17 GMT
and if you don't already have one get an SSD to use as your main drive (stick to 250gb ones because the 500's tend not to be as fast as the 7200hdd's). This is completely false. The larger SSD will always yield better performance than a smaller SSD of the same model. Plus, like traditional HDDs, SSDs also tend to slow down as you fill them up. So if you can afford it, always buy an SSD with a larger capacity assuming it is the same model. Also, the i5 2500K is still faster than AMD's current best desktop CPU (FX-9590) in gaming performance. So just stick with it and upgrade the video card. as to the power supply, if its 80+ gold certified (or better ) then keep it and use it, if its not then get something that is that way you can be certain its not going to kill your rig if it runs for several hours in a hot environment ..... OP's Corsair TX750 is a bronze certified 80+ PSU. Despite not being as efficient as other silver, gold, or platinum 80+ certified PSUs, it is still a very good PSU and it certainly won't kill the PC unless you run it in an oven. There is absolutely no reason to change it. Personally, I'd recommend the 8GB RX480 for a video card upgrade. If you're in the US, this is a good deal. There will be more and far better deals coming this holiday season. So if you're not in a hurry, you can wait for those instead.
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Post by spacev3gan on Nov 19, 2016 20:14:34 GMT
Power supply is a Corsair TX750. Thanks everyone for recommendations and advice Great Power Supply! Just buy a current gen graphics card and you will have a pretty good gaming rig for modern games.
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Post by House Targaryen on Nov 19, 2016 20:36:35 GMT
The one I have now runs just fine, but I've noticed with the newer games that I'm having to set the graphics lower. Poor thing is 5 years old now. At the very least I know I need to upgrade my graphics card, and probably the processor? Problem is other than replacing a graphics card I have no idea what I'm doing. Replacing the processor looks easy enough though. I'm driving myself nuts looking at stuff, but then do I need to upgrade anything else? Power supply, memory, etc? Which leads me to...what to get? I don't want to spend a lot of money, and I don't need top-of-the-line. I do however want to get stuff good enough that I don't have to worry about this for another few years. Fiddling with my pc makes me nervous. Currently I have: Processor - Intel Core i5-2500K CPU @ 3030 GHz Graphics Card - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560ti 1 GB Any suggestions welcome. I'm a firm believer in not skimping on the processor. Since the processor you have is a Socket LAG 1155, I would suggest a Core i7. www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&IsNodeId=1&N=100007671%2050001157%20600005573%20600095610I don't know much about Nvidia, I'm more of an ATI, I mean AMD Radeon card fan. I have a Radeon R9 390 which plays games like Fallout 4 and Skyrim with the graphics maxed out. The R9 390 is a year old so I would suggest suggest something from the current Radeon RX 400 series
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Post by nanotm on Nov 19, 2016 21:12:12 GMT
and if you don't already have one get an SSD to use as your main drive (stick to 250gb ones because the 500's tend not to be as fast as the 7200hdd's). This is completely false. The larger SSD will always yield better performance than a smaller SSD of the same model. Plus, like traditional HDDs, SSDs also tend to slow down as you fill them up. So if you can afford it, always buy an SSD with a larger capacity assuming it is the same model. Also, the i5 2500K is still faster than AMD's current best desktop CPU (FX-9590) in gaming performance. So just stick with it and upgrade the video card. as to the power supply, if its 80+ gold certified (or better ) then keep it and use it, if its not then get something that is that way you can be certain its not going to kill your rig if it runs for several hours in a hot environment ..... OP's Corsair TX750 is a bronze certified 80+ PSU. Despite not being as efficient as other silver, gold, or platinum 80+ certified PSUs, it is still a very good PSU and it certainly won't kill the PC unless you run it in an oven. There is absolutely no reason to change it. Personally, I'd recommend the 8GB RX480 for a video card upgrade. If you're in the US, this is a good deal. There will be more and far better deals coming this holiday season. So if you're not in a hurry, you can wait for those instead. only on newer generation ssd's where they have fixed the storage controller so it doesn't loose performance once you start using the extended address locations (m2 /pci versions and the 850 drives) older standards are dirt cheap now though in the up to 250gb size range and most of the time it works out cheaper to buy 3 250gb drives than to buy a single larger one especially if you can get them on deal prices. and yes on dx10/11 generation stuff the i5's were better than top of the line amd cpu's, but they were also higher priced than them, although given the heat draw on the 9 series fx processors most people tended to stick to the 8 series stuff.... on dx12 that intel always being better thing is reversed, but the difference is negligible if your only running ssd's and have enough ram and vmem, ive not seen a noticeable difference in real performance terms in the last 5 years even if the various performance test programs do rate them differently (and lets not forget that half of those programs were bias loaded that way due to intel providing funding to ensure it for which they were fined $1.4billion for it recently)
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Post by bmwcrazy on Nov 19, 2016 22:36:57 GMT
on dx12 that intel always being better thing is reversed, but the difference is negligible if your only running ssd's and have enough ram and vmem, ive not seen a noticeable difference in real performance terms in the last 5 years even if the various performance test programs do rate them differently (and lets not forget that half of those programs were bias loaded that way due to intel providing funding to ensure it for which they were fined $1.4billion for it recently) I don't know where you get your info, but even on games that run on DX12, you still get better performance with that i5 2500K than any AMD CPUs. A newer quad-core i5 or i7 would simply run rings around any eight-core AMD FX CPU in any game, whether it's DX12 or not. The reason why DX12 games get a nice performance boost on AMD CPUs and GPUs is not because AMD CPU or GPU architectures are more optimized for DX12. It is because the DX12 API essentially removes a lot of the CPU overhead. On top of that, AMD's video drivers have usually been less optimized than nVidia's. So with a sub-optimal driver, the CPU has a lot more workload. Meaning you get less consistent performance compared to a system with an nVidia GPU in non-DX12 and non-Mantle games. However, with less CPU overhead, AMD's GPUs can now work more efficiently on DX12 games. It certainly closes the performance gap between AMD and nVidia, but until AMD's Zen is released early next year, Intel still holds a rather large advantage in DX12 games.
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Post by nanotm on Nov 19, 2016 22:51:36 GMT
on dx12 that intel always being better thing is reversed, but the difference is negligible if your only running ssd's and have enough ram and vmem, ive not seen a noticeable difference in real performance terms in the last 5 years even if the various performance test programs do rate them differently (and lets not forget that half of those programs were bias loaded that way due to intel providing funding to ensure it for which they were fined $1.4billion for it recently) I don't know where you get your info, but even on games that run on DX12, you still get better performance with that i5 2500K than any AMD CPUs. A newer quad-core i5 or i7 would simply run rings around any eight-core AMD FX CPU in any game, whether it's DX12 or not. The reason why DX12 games get a nice performance boost on AMD CPUs and GPUs is not because AMD CPU or GPU architectures are more optimized for DX12. It is because the DX12 API essentially removes a lot of the CPU overhead. On top of that, AMD's video drivers have usually been less optimized than nVidia's. So with a sub-optimal driver, the CPU has a lot more workload. Meaning you get less consistent performance compared to a system with an nVidia GPU in non-DX12 and non-Mantle games. However, with less CPU overhead, AMD's GPUs can now work more efficiently on DX12 games. It certainly closes the performance gap between AMD and nVidia, but until AMD's Zen is released early next year, Intel still holds a rather large advantage in DX12 games. in benchmark software written with a heavy bias towards intel chips ........ yeah i'll pay 3 times the price to downgrade my cpu never mind the comparable motherboard and ram costs double the amount as well and loose out on performance when running editing software.... or I could you know I could just read the anti trust law suits against intel and realise their junk isn't better they just bribe everyone to give them better results .....
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Post by bmwcrazy on Nov 19, 2016 23:00:23 GMT
in benchmark software written with a heavy bias towards intel chips ........ yeah i'll pay 3 times the price to downgrade my cpu never mind the comparable motherboard and ram costs double the amount as well and loose out on performance when running editing software.... or I could you know I could just read the anti trust law suits against intel and realise their junk isn't better they just bribe everyone to give them better results ..... I'm not talking about benchmark software though. I'm talking about all modern PC games. I know there are a lot of reasons not to like Intel as a company, but I certainly hope you're not assuming that Intel managed to bribe every single video game developer. That's just silly.
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Post by nanotm on Nov 19, 2016 23:26:58 GMT
in benchmark software written with a heavy bias towards intel chips ........ yeah i'll pay 3 times the price to downgrade my cpu never mind the comparable motherboard and ram costs double the amount as well and loose out on performance when running editing software.... or I could you know I could just read the anti trust law suits against intel and realise their junk isn't better they just bribe everyone to give them better results ..... I'm not talking about benchmark software though. I'm talking about all modern PC games. I know there are a lot of reasons not to like Intel as a company, but I certainly hope you're not assuming that Intel managed to bribe every single video game developer. That's just silly. they don't need to bribe them when they bribed the big name software developers who built the game engine the games run on, or better yet bought the companies that develop the testing software and then bought the various big name "testing companies" and then strong armed the smaller ones into doing their bidding.... most older games only run on single or at most dual core performance, intel built their cpu's so that they only really perform on the first two cores, as soon as you open up to real multicore processes they dive bomb, the i7 barely manages to achieve the same performance as the fx6700 as can be seen in proper benchmarks for photo/ video editing software, and even then only if your lucky enough to get one that's unlocked and your running a heavy overclock ... as for do I really think intel would do it, well they have been fined in anti trust suits for it several times with each fine getting successively larger, 10 years ago they were fined 1/3rd of their annual turnover in the European market (which equated to $500 million), 5 years ago they were fined $750 million 2 years ago they were fined $1.4billion, and there's another suit against them as well which is due to go to court in the new year the first court case dated back to the late 90's, the second one related to 1999>2004, the third related to 2006>2010, the next one relates to 2012>2014, and there going to get creamed even harder when the tax case gets underway in 2018 (that's already shaping up to be close on a trillion dollars in unpaid taxes) so yeah I am well aware of just how nasty they are and just what efforts they go to make sure their stuff always smells of roses, I don't suppose you remember the problem of the spontaneously erupting intel cpu's, but they had them and a lot of people got burned back in the day, still they made sure to exercise their legal power to block most news of the event and spent billions in making the story disappear.... I remember it, it was my first ever bought new pc instead of a second hand lump and the thing went thermal 30 mins after it was installed the guy was just finishing a brew when the room was filled with smoke and the sprinklers came on, caused just over 20 grands worth of damage and the fuckers knew all about it months before they put them on the market ....
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Post by bmwcrazy on Nov 19, 2016 23:36:44 GMT
Personally, I just look at the simple things from a reasonable point of view. Rather than letting emotions cloud my judgement. This is my thought process: - Is Intel morally bad? Yes, maybe, don't really care.
- Is AMD morally bad? No, maybe, don't really care.
- Which one gives me more FPS in GTA V? Intel.
- *Buys Intel*
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Post by crusty on Nov 20, 2016 11:17:08 GMT
AMD CPUs are trash for gaming once you get beyond a certain price point. I like AMD as a company infinitely more than Intel and Nvidia, but performance doesn't lie. The Bulldozer architecture had extremely weak IPC back when it was released in 2012, let alone now in 2016. If you want an AMD CPU, wait for Zen as that might offer an 8c/16t CPU with Ivy Bridge/Haswell level IPC at a reasonable price. The "AMD catches up in DX12" thing is a GPU thing, not a CPU thing. AMD's drivers are bottlenecked by the CPU, with DX12 removing much of the limitations based on CPU bottlenecking, AMD cards gain a decent performance boost whereas Nvidia stays about the same. Has nothing to do with AMD/Intel CPUs. Really the i5 2500K isn't all that outpaced. lilyenachaos , you would get much more mileage with obtaining good cooling, an appropriate Z68/Z77 motherboard (if you don't already own one) and overclocking your processor to 4GHz or so. It shouldn't be a long process. Many motherboards have an option to automatically do it. It's not the best or efficient method, but it's easy. If you have 4GB of RAM, maybe upgrade that to 8GB or 16GB. The only thing outside of that is to upgrade the GPU. The GTX 560 Ti has a TDP of 170w, so presumably your PSU is good enough to handle a GPU with that kind of power consumption. Something along the lines of RX 470/480 or GTX 1050 Ti, GTX 1060. The price structure and performance level goes something like GTX 1050 Ti -> RX 470 -> RX 480 -> GTX 1060. RX 480s and GTX 1060s are good enough to max out most games at 1080p 60 fps. But if you don't need the highest settings, you can save a bit of money going with a GTX 1050 Ti or RX 470.
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