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Post by izut on Mar 31, 2017 13:28:05 GMT
Came here to say this. I really disliked Cora. I straight up hate her. "I'm an asari commando, by the way. I should have been pathfinder. I'm a huntress. That means asari commando. I was an asari commando. Hey, asari woman. {Reference to asari culture}, yeah, I was an asari commando. I don't have control over my biotics, feel bad for me. But I'm an asari commando. I'm a badass asari commando. Asari. Commando. asa-" I get that, given that a fair amount of her banter and very early convos play out like that, but there is actually a lot more depth to her character, as the story progresses, especially if you romance her. You even find out the whole reason why she mentions asari with every other breath, has to do with deep abandonment issues, feelings of inadequacy, and the fact that her time as a huntress was the only time she felt like she belonged, like she actually mattered and had a purpose. She mostly puts on a brave face because she has to. The Initiative is counting on her, and she can't let anyone down, and it's hard when everything is going to hell and leaving her feeling completely out of control of the situation. Liam has a similar issue with that specific feeling, but simply handles it differently, as any of us would in their shoes. Only through her adventures with Ryder and crew does she start to grow and we get to learn more about her, even without romancing her. She has dreams, aspirations, fears, flaws, etc. She may not be the best or most well written ME squadmate to date, but she is, in my opinion, up there. Even if you don't romance her, you can feel she has those issues. She's is warming up towards you and the entire crew, she's adapting to a new family which is very new for her. AND she tells us Alec made a right decision by chosing Ryder Jr to be the new pathfinder because she'd make too many mistakes. I find her to be the most loyal companion in the game. |
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Post by praxati on Mar 31, 2017 13:44:00 GMT
I get that, given that a fair amount of her banter and very early convos play out like that, but there is actually a lot more depth to her character, as the story progresses, especially if you romance her. You even find out the whole reason why she mentions asari with every other breath, has to do with deep abandonment issues, feelings of inadequacy, and the fact that her time as a huntress was the only time she felt like she belonged, like she actually mattered and had a purpose. She mostly puts on a brave face because she has to. The Initiative is counting on her, and she can't let anyone down, and it's hard when everything is going to hell and leaving her feeling completely out of control of the situation. Liam has a similar issue with that specific feeling, but simply handles it differently, as any of us would in their shoes. Only through her adventures with Ryder and crew does she start to grow and we get to learn more about her, even without romancing her. She has dreams, aspirations, fears, flaws, etc. She may not be the best or most well written ME squadmate to date, but she is, in my opinion, up there. Even if you don't romance her, you can feel she has those issues. She's is warming up towards you and the entire crew, she's adapting to a new family which is very new for her. AND she tells us Alec made a right decision by chosing Ryder Jr to be the new pathfinder because she'd make too many mistakes. I find her to be the most loyal companion in the game. Like I said in my literal "essay" previously, Cora will probably be one of those BioWare squadmates that few will really like and understand because unless you take the time to talk to her and stuff, you just won't understand her personality and her motivations. That's not the case for other squadmates, Peebee and Jaal are open books for instance, and people like them a LOT more. |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Mar 31, 2017 13:44:46 GMT
This woman is incredible.
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Post by izut on Mar 31, 2017 13:54:13 GMT
Even if you don't romance her, you can feel she has those issues. She's is warming up towards you and the entire crew, she's adapting to a new family which is very new for her. AND she tells us Alec made a right decision by chosing Ryder Jr to be the new pathfinder because she'd make too many mistakes. I find her to be the most loyal companion in the game. Like I said in my literal "essay" previously, Cora will probably be one of those BioWare squadmates that few will really like and understand because unless you take the time to talk to her and stuff, you just won't understand her personality and her motivations. That's not the case for other squadmates, Peebee and Jaal are open books for instance, and people like them a LOT more. Actually, Peebee isn't an open book. She's hiding her true personality behind a mask because she got hurt pretty badly before. It's not easy to earn her full trust, only if you romance her she'll show you who she really is and how she cares. She has a big heart. Agree about Cora tho. It's also not easy to know her and she can feel jelly at first, but that's not the case. That's not even how she really feels. Yeah, it did hurt her, but from what I understood, losing a mentor who most likely end up as her father figure, was the true reason why she was like that. But the more we've talked, the more easy she was with us and more trust we've earned from her. Cora, PB, Jaal and Suvi are best written characters in MEA IMO. |
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Post by praxati on Mar 31, 2017 14:02:49 GMT
Like I said in my literal "essay" previously, Cora will probably be one of those BioWare squadmates that few will really like and understand because unless you take the time to talk to her and stuff, you just won't understand her personality and her motivations. That's not the case for other squadmates, Peebee and Jaal are open books for instance, and people like them a LOT more. Actually, Peebee isn't an open book. She's hiding her true personality behind a mask because she got hurt pretty badly before. It's not easy to earn her full trust, only if you romance her she'll show you who she really is and how she cares. She has a big heart. Agree about Cora tho. It's also not easy to know her and she can feel jelly at first, but that's not the case. That's not even how she really feels. Yeah, it did hurt her, but from what I understood, losing a mentor who most likely end up as her father figure, was the true reason why she was like that. But the more we've talked, the more easy she was with us and more trust we've earned from her. Cora, PB, Jaal and Suvi are best written characters in MEA IMO. When I said Peebee was an "open book", I meant in the sense that you easily understand why she acts the way she does and what or rather who the reason for it is. I had a hard time with PB at first too but now I do like her, but yeah. As for the last part, I agree. I LOVED Suvi. I'm not a religious or spiritual person myself, so when I encountered Suvi and she talked so freely of her faith I got a little taken aback and thought, "You know what, in the Mass Effect universe, it's very plausible", so I made my Ryder kinda spiritual so I loved their interactions together. Talking about faith clashing with science, family, and that chat you get in Ryder's quarters, drinking tea. Probably one of my favorite scenes of the game, it was great writing. Anyway, like Zipzap2000 said, 10/10 would romance Cora again. |
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 20:17:19 GMT
I still think her character was just done wrong. She's meant to come off as a badass, and her only character trait is that she was an asari commando. A lot of people said "Oh Liam is gonna be a token character" but nope, I think Cora was the token character this game. The token, human, female, bad ass biotic that seems to be a trope in Mass Effect games and has NEVER gone right. She's annoying, and there's no character to her. The only ATTEMPT at giving her a deeper level of character is her whole "I guess I'm not really as great as I thought I was, but I still have to act like I am because its impossible to actually change personality in a video game." IMO, she has NO likable qualities, and I have to blame that on the writers. They always make a character like this in the Mass Effect games, and she especially seems like a combination of Miranda and Jack, two characters I didn't like (Jack wasn't so bad, she was cool besides her edginess and 'badass woman' trope). Cora was made to be a sexy , biotic, badass, female character, and it shows in her writing, but it wasn't well executed. Other than Cora, I'll have to say Vetra, Peebee, Drack, Liam, and Jaal's writing were all fantastic, with intriguing personalities and characteristics. They were able to convey emotion well and didn't annoy me in the slightest, but instead made me WANT to do their loyalty missions and sidequests. In the end, Cora was just like Jacob and Miranda. A boring, human, biotics user. Except this time, I don't get to kill her like I did Miranda and Jacob. Honestly, Cora is easily my favorite character and I don't get the appeal of the majority of the others. I basically keep my squadron limited to Jaal, Cora, and Liam. I do think a lot of people missed some details about Cora, though, because they're not overtly stated. * Cora is deeply insecure and has abandonment issues. * Cora is jealous of you not so much because you're the Pathfinder but because she tried to make Alec her substitute father figure * Cora brings up the Asari commando thing because she was FIRED from the job after she thought they were her family and it turned out they didn't give a crap about her. * Cora eventually comes to adore you in a way which is probably not entirely healthy too. She's a deeply neurotic insecure woman underneath the fact she's a beautiful badass. Why does she keep bringing up the Asari thing and her biotics? Because she's basically namedropping in hopes you like her and think she's cool. "You know I went to Burning Man once. Isn't that awesome?" In short, I came to adore and kind of worry about her because she's...yes, a sexy Conrad Verner. |
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Post by Dukemon on Apr 1, 2017 1:40:49 GMT
It is curios.
I guess, Cora is in the same age as Kaidan. Perhaps even older than him. Then I am wondering, why she was sent to Asari while Kaidan was put in a secret camp where he was treated by his mentors because the Allianz did not want to use the Citadel?
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 1, 2017 5:02:53 GMT
It is curios. I guess, Cora is in the same age as Kaidan. Perhaps even older than him. Then I am wondering, why she was sent to Asari while Kaidan was put in a secret camp where he was treated by his mentors because the Allianz did not want to use the Citadel? I think Kaiden is a bit older. She's in her mid-twenties, I guess? But Kaiden was sent to be among the first biotics. Cora was sent by her civilian parents. |
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Post by snook on Apr 1, 2017 5:59:02 GMT
That romance scene though. Damn son. Animations are actually pretty damn solid there, and I'm not one who was particularly bothered by them in the first place. Have to say, I hope they don't just dump Ryder, Cora and the Tempest crew because of the general reception. There's a lot of potential there, a lot of room for growth for all of them. I'd love to see them continued in another trilogy of sorts. |
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Post by Dukemon on Apr 1, 2017 7:29:45 GMT
It is curios. I guess, Cora is in the same age as Kaidan. Perhaps even older than him. Then I am wondering, why she was sent to Asari while Kaidan was put in a secret camp where he was treated by his mentors because the Allianz did not want to use the Citadel? I think Kaiden is a bit older. She's in her mid-twenties, I guess? But Kaiden was sent to be among the first biotics. Cora was sent by her civilian parents. I thought Cora would be older. Older than Scott or Liam. 32+ |
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Post by izut on Apr 1, 2017 7:45:27 GMT
I think Kaiden is a bit older. She's in her mid-twenties, I guess? But Kaiden was sent to be among the first biotics. Cora was sent by her civilian parents. I thought Cora would be older. Older than Scott or Liam. 32+ Yeah, she's most likely around 35. |
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 1, 2017 8:53:58 GMT
I thought Cora would be older. Older than Scott or Liam. 32+ Yeah, she's most likely around 35. She's definitely older but she's also only a Lieutenant. |
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Post by izut on Apr 1, 2017 9:05:47 GMT
Yeah, she's most likely around 35. She's definitely older but she's also only a Lieutenant. Kaidan was LT and was 32-33. Cora spent a few years among Asari where her human military career had a pause. Then she joined Alec and it was probably the moment she started going up with ranks. Shepard was Commander only because she was a hero and N7, I guess, she was 30+ too after all. |
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Post by praxati on Apr 1, 2017 10:21:24 GMT
She's definitely older but she's also only a Lieutenant. Kaidan was LT and was 32-33. Cora spent a few years among Asari where her human military career had a pause. Then she joined Alec and it was probably the moment she started going up with ranks. Shepard was Commander only because she was a hero and N7, I guess, she was 30+ too after all. Also, Cora enlisted in the Alliance at 18. It doesn't say how much time passed between that and the moment she was transferred to Talein's Daughters and then she was essentially "fired" and went on to join the Initiative and she "spent years training" for the mission so... If she isn't at least 30, she's probably very close to it, meanwhile the Ryder twins are 22 at the start of the game. |
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Post by izut on Apr 1, 2017 10:26:44 GMT
Kaidan was LT and was 32-33. Cora spent a few years among Asari where her human military career had a pause. Then she joined Alec and it was probably the moment she started going up with ranks. Shepard was Commander only because she was a hero and N7, I guess, she was 30+ too after all. Also, Cora enlisted in the Alliance at 18. It doesn't say how much time passed between that and the moment she was transferred to Talein's Daughters and then she was essentially "fired" and went on to join the Initiative and she "spent years training" for the mission so... If she isn't at least 30, she's probably very close to it, meanwhile the Ryder twins are 22 at the start of the game.Yup, that's why it'll always feel weird for me to romance Cora as Scott. It'd make more sense if they made her playersexual. But I for sure will romance her because she's one of the best and I know I'll stand Scott's VA  |
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Post by Ocelot on Apr 1, 2017 13:33:41 GMT
How would Sara not make it weird?
Not that I think its weird to begin with. I personally like the idea of Cora beign older than Scott.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 1, 2017 13:34:08 GMT
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 1, 2017 15:30:12 GMT
No way she's 35 after hearing her background. Someone ask her writer.
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Post by joglee on Apr 1, 2017 15:37:34 GMT
Also, Cora enlisted in the Alliance at 18. It doesn't say how much time passed between that and the moment she was transferred to Talein's Daughters and then she was essentially "fired" and went on to join the Initiative and she "spent years training" for the mission so... If she isn't at least 30, she's probably very close to it, meanwhile the Ryder twins are 22 at the start of the game.Yup, that's why it'll always feel weird for me to romance Cora as Scott. It'd make more sense if they made her playersexual. But I for sure will romance her because she's one of the best and I know I'll stand Scott's VA Nothing wrong with a 10 year difference in a world where humans live to be around 140. |
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Post by izut on Apr 1, 2017 15:39:15 GMT
Yup, that's why it'll always feel weird for me to romance Cora as Scott. It'd make more sense if they made her playersexual. But I for sure will romance her because she's one of the best and I know I'll stand Scott's VA Nothing wrong with a 10 year difference in a world where humans live to be around 140. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it feels weird  I'ts uncommon. |
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Post by joglee on Apr 1, 2017 15:42:24 GMT
Nothing wrong with a 10 year difference in a world where humans live to be around 140. I'm not saying it's wrong, I'm saying it feels weird I'ts uncommon. Well sometimes getting a more experienced women is a win/win....And from what I've seen Cora is def a win/win. not only is she about to the point where she wants to settle down and make a life, that maturity is def a positive in the romance scene. Nothing better than a women who knows what she wants...In this case it's Ryder and a home with a flower garden. |
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Post by lurkinglurker on Apr 1, 2017 16:07:00 GMT
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How old is Cora? Didn't notice her age or date of birth mentioned in game.
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Mid-twenties. (Don't have exact dates handy.)
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 1, 2017 16:12:19 GMT
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Post by izut on Apr 1, 2017 16:22:03 GMT
SomebodyOfNobody @of_somebody How old is Cora? Didn't notice her age or date of birth mentioned in game. Jo Berry @ vacation @joanna_BerryMid-twenties. (Don't have exact dates handy.) Yeah, not really believe that With the amount of contradicting data it's impossible for me to believe what they say. PB was supposed to be around Liara's age which is a total BS since her sis is 500y older and by the time PB got self-aware her sis was already a matriarch (Asari are becoming matriarchs when they're 700yo ) so it makes PB at least 200yo. Oh, and Scott is from Earth (bio says he's from Citadel, so does Sara). And um... Sara is actually the smallest on the team (seriously, she was supposed to be the same height as Cora but nope, PB is and Sara end up as a shortie). |
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Post by snook on Apr 1, 2017 16:26:04 GMT
I don't really see Cora as being in her 30s. Certainly not 35. Maybe 28-29.
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