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Post by Crim on Jan 30, 2017 11:46:45 GMT
So if it turns out that Cora's surname isn't a coincidence, what direction do you think they'll take with it? On the surface, volunteering to be embedded in a team of Asari Huntresses would seem like a pretty clear act of rebellion against TIM, but on the other hand I suppose she could have been there to learn their techniques for the advancement of humanity. There are several ways that they could play it. I do hope that she's not a Cerberus agent, though. That would be dull.
I hope she's not related to the TIM at all and her surname is just that, a coincidence.
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Post by wright1978 on Jan 30, 2017 12:57:48 GMT
Was speculating elsewhere that; What if like Orana Lawson, we learn Cora was adopted for her own protection? Perhaps Cora didn't know her true heritage until much later in her life... if she ever learned it at all?
If she never knew about TIM, maybe his only involvement was pulling strings to subtly steer her towards the Andromeda Initiative. He actually doesn't have any nefarious plans for her or Cerberus in Andromeda, but only intended it to keep her safe, should his own plans to combat the Reapers fail in the Milky Way.
In the comics it's shown that Eva's death clearly affected TIM and he even went to the trouble of creating an Eva mech later on, so he does possess some degree of sentimentality. For someone who's obsessed with ensuring the future of humanity, what's to say he's not equally concerned with the future for human he helped bring into the world?
Revealing that TIM's plan for Cora was to keep her out of harm when the Reapers arrived, would give his character some more depth and dimensions in hindsight. Sort of similar to what they did in Red vs Blue with the Director, slowly revealing his true motivations, background and relationship to Agent Tex and Carolina.
Hopefully not i'd prefer her to be representing Cerberus' interests in Andromeda than that sort of bad adopted lovechild manipulated from afar towards Andromeda, completely devoid of her own agency.
However is there even room in the timeline for her to be the biological daughter of Eva & TIM, given she dies in the comics.
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Post by Two Faces on Jan 30, 2017 15:22:57 GMT
I don't understand shit of what you are talking about. Didn't Bioware confirmed a while ago Cerberus wasn't related at all to Andromeda?, I know it because it was me the one who posted the twitter and I think I did in this same thread.
Did the suddenly change their mind? because I don't think it was an addition of last moment make a character a cerberus member, is not a small thing after all. And there would be no point sending a Cerberus agent to Andromeda, that person can't communicate back and they are too busy trying to resurrect Shepard.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 30, 2017 15:35:58 GMT
Hopefully not i'd prefer her to be representing Cerberus' interests in Andromeda than that sort of bad adopted lovechild manipulated from afar towards Andromeda, completely devoid of her own agency.
However is there even room in the timeline for her to be the biological daughter of Eva & TIM, given she dies in the comics.
True, that was one of the issues with Oriana, since she only really existed as an extension of Miranda's character, rather than being a fully fleshed out character in her own right. Might have been cool if she'd shown up as a guest for the party in Citadel.
The events of Evolution take place in 2157, so if Eva and TIM had a biological child, she would be 29 by the time MEA takes place.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 30, 2017 15:43:05 GMT
I don't understand shit of what you are talking about. Didn't Bioware confirmed a while ago Cerberus wasn't related at all to Andromeda?, I know it because it was me the one who posted the twitter and I think I did in this same thread. Did the suddenly change their mind? because I don't think it was an addition of last moment make a character a cerberus member, is not a small thing after all. And there would be no point sending a Cerberus agent to Andromeda, that person can't communicate back and they are too busy trying to resurrect Shepard. I don't think Cerberus will be involved in MEA. It doesn't mean Cora can't be TIM's daughter. She doesn't have to be a Cerberus agent. Putting that aside, I don't think it'd be illogical for Cerberus to send some sleeper agents to spread their view and try to direct humanity to work in a way more tuned to their views. It's not going to happen and I don't want that, but it's not unreasonable.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Jan 30, 2017 15:43:52 GMT
I don't understand shit of what you are talking about. Didn't Bioware confirmed a while ago Cerberus wasn't related at all to Andromeda?, I know it because it was me the one who posted the twitter and I think I did in this same thread. Did the suddenly change their mind? because I don't think it was an addition of last moment make a character a cerberus member, is not a small thing after all. And there would be no point sending a Cerberus agent to Andromeda, that person can't communicate back and they are too busy trying to resurrect Shepard. Not related at all or not one of the main antagonists? I tend to agree that it's unlikely that Cerberus will play an active role in the game, but that doesn't preclude them from being part of someone's back story.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 30, 2017 15:46:42 GMT
Damn. Now I really want to F**** Matt Damon Maybe Cora is screwing Matt Damon beyond Male Ryder's back... but Scotty doesn't know. (Because old memes are way more interesting than what's currently going on in the thread) lol I'm now 30% more motivated to keep Scott(y) as the name and 100% more wishing Matt Damon was actually in ME:A At least let there be a Fiona.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 30, 2017 15:49:37 GMT
If Cora is a Cerberus agent, my Ryder will support her. Maybe even convince Cora to build Cerberus in Andromeda. Cora can become TID, The Illusive Daughter. excellent
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 30, 2017 15:54:07 GMT
If Cora is a Cerberus agent, my Ryder will support her. Maybe even convince Cora to build Cerberus in Andromeda. Cora can become TID, The Illusive Daughter. excellent I think she won't be because it's too of an obvious outcome. It'd have make more sense if it was a reveal in the game, but now it's what a lot of people think. There's no surprise. The fact that both her names are a connection to him makes it also possible they just made a funny reference.
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Post by Ocelot on Jan 30, 2017 15:57:52 GMT
If Cora is a Cerberus agent, my Ryder will support her. Maybe even convince Cora to build Cerberus in Andromeda. Cora can become TID, The Illusive Daughter. excellent She sounds very pro-alien, so good luck with that.
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Post by Two Faces on Jan 30, 2017 15:58:29 GMT
If Cora is a Cerberus agent, my Ryder will support her. Maybe even convince Cora to build Cerberus in Andromeda. Cora can become TID, The Illusive Daughter. excellent Is that because you want her to look badass in a weird chair in a weird room always smoking? Or because you want her to kill every alien native of Andromeda? Cerberus is not like the Seekers with Cassandra, rebuilding Cerberus without the racism and without the "any means to an end" is basically, the alliance, but in white clothes.
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Post by Crim on Jan 30, 2017 15:58:53 GMT
If Cora is a Cerberus agent, my Ryder will support her. Maybe even convince Cora to build Cerberus in Andromeda. Cora can become TID, The Illusive Daughter. excellent Had enough of Derperus to last me a lifetime.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 30, 2017 16:01:13 GMT
If Cora is a Cerberus agent, my Ryder will support her. Maybe even convince Cora to build Cerberus in Andromeda. Cora can become TID, The Illusive Daughter. excellent Is that because you want her to look badass in a weird chair in a weird room always smoking? Or because you want her to kill every alien native of Andromeda? Cerberus is not like the Seekers with Cassandra, rebuilding Cerberus without the racism and without the "any means to an end" is basically, the alliance, but in white clothes. I'm pretty sure he wants new Cerberus to be like old Cerberus.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 30, 2017 16:11:08 GMT
Is that because you want her to look badass in a weird chair in a weird room always smoking? Or because you want her to kill every alien native of Andromeda? Or maybe its because I like Cerberus.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 30, 2017 16:13:14 GMT
She sounds very pro-alien, so good luck with that. Because she trained with the asari?
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Post by themikefest on Jan 30, 2017 16:15:35 GMT
I'm pretty sure he wants new Cerberus to be like old Cerberus. I'm pretty sure he like Cerberus in ME2 more than what they were in ME3.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 30, 2017 16:21:30 GMT
As much as I dislike this possibility I have to point out TIM was intimate with a high ranking Matriarch according to the Shadow Broker dossiers. So if this is real, he may have had a hand in her training. But yeah. Hope this doesn't turn out to be true. And her hair still sucks
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Post by Ocelot on Jan 30, 2017 16:23:27 GMT
She sounds very pro-alien, so good luck with that. Because she trained with the asari? There is that, yes.
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Post by Ocelot on Jan 30, 2017 16:26:00 GMT
As much as I dislike this possibility I have to point out TIM was intimate with a high ranking Matriarch according to the Shadow Broker dossiers. So if this is real, he may have had a hand in her training. But yeah. Hope this doesn't turn out to be true. And her hair still sucks If I'm not mistaken, those dossiers were declared non-canon by a developer back on BSN Prime. But yeah, I hope she has zero connections to Cerberus as well. At this point I just want them to change her name, just to get rid of the possibility.
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Post by Crim on Jan 30, 2017 16:27:25 GMT
As much as I dislike this possibility I have to point out TIM was intimate with a high ranking Matriarch according to the Shadow Broker dossiers. So if this is real, he may have had a hand in her training. But yeah. Hope this doesn't turn out to be true. And her hair still sucks hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiss
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Post by Crim on Jan 30, 2017 16:29:02 GMT
Because she trained with the asari? There is that, yes. 4 years of that, yes.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 30, 2017 16:34:45 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, those dossiers were declared non-canon by a developer back on BSN Prime. But yeah, I hope she has zero connections to Cerberus as well. At this point I just want them to change her name, just to get rid of the possibility. Source? And when was this? Because there were massive debates about this back in the day (before and after ME3 came out). Search your feelings though. You know it to be true.
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Post by The Elder King on Jan 30, 2017 16:38:49 GMT
I'm pretty sure he wants new Cerberus to be like old Cerberus. I'm pretty sure he like Cerberus in ME2 more than what they were in ME3. And how is that relevant to my point? You'd still want a new Cerberus org to resemble Cerberus more then the Alliance. Or am I wrong? As much as I dislike this possibility I have to point out TIM was intimate with a high ranking Matriarch according to the Shadow Broker dossiers. So if this is real, he may have had a hand in her training. But yeah. Hope this doesn't turn out to be true. And her hair still sucks I'm torn. On one hand, I'd prefer no connection (though I don't think it's a big deal if it's just her backstory), on the other, I think reading the reaction/shitstorm on her origin and possible Cerberus involvement on the forums might be...entertaining
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Post by Ocelot on Jan 30, 2017 16:47:27 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, those dossiers were declared non-canon by a developer back on BSN Prime. But yeah, I hope she has zero connections to Cerberus as well. At this point I just want them to change her name, just to get rid of the possibility. Source? And when was this? Because there were massive debates about this back in the day (before and after ME3 came out). I can't provide a source unfortunately. I believe it was around ME 3 that a dev came into one thread and said, oh yeah those dossiers are non-canon guys.
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Post by themikefest on Jan 30, 2017 16:55:12 GMT
And how is that relevant to my point? You'd still want a new Cerberus org to resemble Cerberus more then the Alliance. Or am I wrong? Why would I want Cerberus to resemble the Alliance? I want Cerberus to resemble Cerberus. Like they were in ME2
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