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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 7, 2017 19:47:14 GMT
Yeah let's all just calm the fuck down.
Fictional hair, no matter how atrocious isn't worth actually fighting for.
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Post by kansasmarcelo on Feb 7, 2017 20:08:36 GMT
Not gonna read the last 2 pages. Let me guess she has short hair so she's a man? Sounds stupid enough.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 7, 2017 20:11:57 GMT
Let me guess she has short hair so she's a man? Sounds stupid enough. You're right. Good thing no one actually said that.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Feb 7, 2017 20:24:26 GMT
Just came from a couple of other threads, and apparently we are the laughing stocks of BSN. I only have one thing to say about this
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Post by xelander on Feb 7, 2017 21:16:39 GMT
Hmm... I guess I must not be "Real Man TM". Poor me. You're right. A real man would use less passive-aggressive sarcasm and personal attacks. Seconded. I happen to think that Cora and Cassandra are stunning. Naysayers can see themselves to the nearest dungeon or airlock. Fanboys, kindly direct yourselves to the airlock on deck 2, aft. See, two can play this game. Anyway, once the game is released, the naysayers will disappear on their own. You're a woman, I'm a man. We have different attraction and arousal cues.
Did you just try to tell me what I should find attractive?! It's an exercise in futility, my d!ck doesn't much care for "ought"s and "social construct"s. ... unless those "ought"s" [sic] and "social construct"s" [sic] come in the form of women ought to wear their hair in a style that meets my approved social constructs for them, amirite? I was perhaps too colorful in my expression and the meaning got lost in translation. I say that biology doesn't care about culture (it often drives it, in fact). You seem to hold the opposite view. Further debating this is beyond the scope of the thread. Yeah let's all just calm the fuck down. Fictional hair, no matter how atrocious isn't worth actually fighting for. No jimmies rustled here, Crutch. I voiced an opinion and offered an explanation as to why I and others like myself might share this opinion. I am also indifferent as to whether this opinion is universally shared or not. Funny how no one chose to riff off the latter part of my post:
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 7, 2017 21:53:51 GMT
Hmm... I guess I must not be "Real Man TM". Poor me. You're right. A real man would use less passive-aggressive sarcasm and personal attacks. *raises eyebrow* I'm British. Passive-agressive sarcasm is what we do. Not sure where I personally attacked anyone, though.
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Post by Iakus on Feb 7, 2017 22:30:39 GMT
Yeah let's all just calm the fuck down. Fictional hair, no matter how atrocious isn't worth actually fighting for. Indeed. At least she looks like she's going into combat wearing actual armor, rather than just in spandex or topless.
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Post by kansasmarcelo on Feb 7, 2017 22:31:27 GMT
All this over hair again can't wait till the game comes out so you guys can cry about something of importance with the character.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 23:53:48 GMT
Meh, maybe I'm not the right person to share their opinion, since from my perspective it might be considered irrelevant, but what the heck.
I think Cora is hot.
I like her immediate strength of character. She seems optimistic, professional, but warm, without becoming too over friendly, and seems to me that she could be a team player. I like the fact that she doesn't come across as aggressive, which can translate completely in gameplay, as she is a vanguard, but I like that she can remain seemingly calm (from the briefing and trailer) when not in combat. She maintains a distinction between her duties on the Tempest, and when she's in the thick of battle.
I like that we have another Miranda-esque character, in so much that she is a leader and professional, good at her job, and confident, but not cold as Miranda was, since Cora doesn't share Miranda's history or troubled past and life.
All of these qualities that I kind of gleaned from what we saw of her in the briefing and trailer is what endears me to her. I find that hot in a person. The confidence and strength, the independence and professionalism.
She also seems very feminine to me. I find nothing particularly masculine about her at all (if anything, I find Vetra to lean towards displaying more "masculine" characteristics, but that's for another thread), but then maybe that's because I don't see such strict distinctions or limitations as to what masculine and feminine dictate, nor do I think the two should be so disparate and limited.
And lastly, I think Cora is the kind of woman who couldn't care less about what people think of her or how she chooses to appear. I think she wouldn't have a lot of time for people who value her based on a small aspect of her appearance, that doesn't in anyway indicate who she is as a person, or say anything about her personality. For all we know, perhaps she choose a particular style for practicality, or cause she thinks she looks damn hot. Maybe she herself doesn't care. She probably has more important things to worry about.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 0:10:41 GMT
Also, I know there is a lot of "But she's a fictional character" as a defense.
But would you value or perceive a real life woman the same way you have been valuing (or devaluing) or perceiving Cora?
Maybe not everyone realizes it, and this is certainly not true of everyone, but sometimes the way we perceive fictional characters is also how we may come to perceive and value real people.
And if the sum of a person's opinion about another human being is solely rested on their physical appearance, then I find that very sad.
I don't want to get too deep or personal here, but I think there is a quote that is kind of relevant to some of the discussions taking place here, and certainly relevant to how female characters in games (and in the real world) are valued and perceived,
“What becomes of a man who acquires a beautiful woman, with her "beauty" his sole target? He sabotages himself. He has gained no friend, no ally, no mutual trust: She knows quite well why she has been chosen. He has succeeded in buying something: the esteem of other men who find such an acquisition impressive.”
- Naomi Wolf, The Beauty Myth
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Post by dalinne on Feb 8, 2017 1:15:19 GMT
Cora reminds me to my Vanguard FemShep a lot She seems like a paragade to me, a hothead in battle (as a good Vanguard) also a confident leader. She will save the innocents, but Nova the criminals with any interrupt if you annoy her. BTW, anytime I heard the word "hair" I can't stop singing...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2017 1:19:58 GMT
Well if Cora is gunna be humming music on the Tempest whilst writing reports or something in a future DLC, it better be this, as a nod from the devs
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Post by fialka on Feb 8, 2017 2:00:52 GMT
So why do you guys think Cora might've joined the Andromeda Initiative? I always find this an interesting one, because it's such a crazy thing to do! We know PeeBee is in it for the adventure, there was talk about Vetra's loyalty to her family which makes me think she came along for said family, Drack's super old so I seeing him doing it as a 'fuck it, I've lived this long so what's left to do?' gesture. Liam I'm not sure about yet, though his quote about 'new beginnings' gives me some idea... But Cora seems to have her shit together. She could probably do anything she wants with her career, what with her abilities and background and professional-seeming attitude. And she strikes me as rather practical. So why, Andromeda? Sure, there's the potential Cerberus link, or that she's getting away from a certain relative, or that said relative tipped her off to the Reaper threat so she ran. But let's pretend her last name is just a coincidence or a red herring (as it may well be) or a fun background fact that has no bearing on the plot (which I hope is the case). Why would she leave her life and everything in it behind? In her bio on the website, she's described as professional and 'loyal.' Loyal to Alec Ryder maybe, and that's why she tagging along? I wonder if she's been with Alec Ryder for a while as part of his team. Not talking a romantic relationship here (because Scott... yikes!) but something like how Joker tells Shepard he'd follow her into hell or an un-romanced but ultra-loyal Garrus would. But we know how Shepard earns that kind of loyalty. How did Alec? Did he help her with her daddy issues? I wonder if that loyalty is why she stays with the Pathfinder twin too - out of duty to our father as much as to the Initiative.
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Post by dalinne on Feb 8, 2017 2:57:08 GMT
So why do you guys think Cora might've joined the Andromeda Initiative? I always find this an interesting one, because it's such a crazy thing to do! We know PeeBee is in it for the adventure, there was talk about Vetra's loyalty to her family which makes me think she came along for said family, Drack's super old so I seeing him doing it as a 'fuck it, I've lived this long so what's left to do?' gesture. Liam I'm not about sure yet, though his quote about 'new beginnings' gives me some idea... But Cora seems to have her shit together. She could probably do anything she wants with her career, what with her abilities and background and professional-seeming attitude. And she strikes me as rather practical. So why, Andromeda? Sure, there's the potential Cerberus link, or that she's getting away from a certain relative, or that said relative tipped her off to the Reaper threat so she ran. But let's pretend her last name is just a coincidence or a red herring (as it may well be) or a fun background fact that has no bearing on the plot (which I hope is the case). Why would she leave her life and everything in it behind? In her bio on the website, she's described as professional and 'loyal.' Loyal to Alec Ryder maybe, and that's why she tagging along? I wonder if she's been with Alec Ryder for a while as part of his team. Not talking a romantic relationship here (because Scott... yikes!) but something like how Joker tells Shepard he'd follow her into hell or an un-romanced but ultra-loyal Garrus would. But we know how Shepard earns that kind of loyalty. How did Alec? Did he help her with her daddy issues? I wonder if that loyalty is why she stays with the Pathfinder twin too - out of duty to our father as much as to the Initiative. I like that theory a lot! And it will create an interesting dynamic with the protagonist indeed And it will change a little the Daddy Issues Bioware approach (now: SURROGATE FATHER ISSUES! )
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Post by JayKay on Feb 8, 2017 7:23:11 GMT
What's really going to be interesting is how Cora handles Scott/Sara becoming the Pathfinder. She could take it with grace, sort of like Cassandra in DAI, but I think that would be a bit less interesting.
I could see her arguing that Ryder isn't ready for this sort of responsibility, and you as the player can agree with her or tell her off saying that they've been trained, they've served in the Alliance, and they're just as capable as she is? Could she disagree with us in the middle of battle which could create a heated argument?
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 8, 2017 7:36:58 GMT
In her bio on the website, she's described as professional and 'loyal.' Loyal to Alec Ryder maybe, and that's why she tagging along? I wonder if she's been with Alec Ryder for a while as part of his team. Not talking a romantic relationship here (because Scott... yikes!) but something like how Joker tells Shepard he'd follow her into hell or an un-romanced but ultra-loyal Garrus would. But we know how Shepard earns that kind of loyalty. How did Alec? Did he help her with her daddy issues? I wonder if that loyalty is why she stays with the Pathfinder twin too - out of duty to our father as much as to the Initiative. Hmmm... Alec's bio says that he was a military attaché on the Citadel from the late 2160s, so since Cora was a young teenager if we guess her age to be 30-ish. If she served with him in some capacity it would seemingly have to be there. I suppose it's possible... If so, he could've used his contacts to get her a place on the Valkyrie Program, and maybe she's grateful to him for that opportunity. It could work as a plausible back story.
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Post by Fazed Muttley on Feb 8, 2017 9:02:51 GMT
I myself wonder if Alec needed someone he could trust. What is Rydad feared what they would find in Andromeda or that when they arrived peoples agendas might change, and they would be in it for themselves and abandon the AI. Maybe he and Cora had a history and he had faith in her and her skills to do what was necessary in the event of trouble. Which would lead to an interesting relationship with our Ryder. Say for example, Rydad is about to be captured. He instructs SAM to proceed with the "transfer protocol", but SAM been an adaptive matrix came to the conclusion that the default "transfer protocol" was inferior and elected to change it and selected our Ryder instead of Cora. What would her reaction be, would she remain loyal as her bio suggests or would there be conflict first? I find it quite fun to ponder the hows and whys. So the above is my best guess for the moment, I just thought I would share What are your thoughts on why or how our Ryder gets picked over Cora and how she would feel about it? I think it would be interesting to see how other people think it will happen and why. Oh and please, no "because SAM didn't like her hair". I think it's best to leave the hair topic to die now. If we need to know what peoples opinions are on that, it already on the internet forever anyway, and there's pages of it...
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Post by wright1978 on Feb 8, 2017 10:59:18 GMT
What's really going to be interesting is how Cora handles Scott/Sara becoming the Pathfinder. She could take it with grace, sort of like Cassandra in DAI, but I think that would be a bit less interesting. I could see her arguing that Ryder isn't ready for this sort of responsibility, and you as the player can agree with her or tell her off saying that they've been trained, they've served in the Alliance, and they're just as capable as she is? Could she disagree with us in the middle of battle which could create a heated argument? I really hope there's isn't friction/heated arguments with Cora regarding whatever plot device results in Ryder becoming Pathfinder ahead of her. As to her relationship with Alec Ryder, given her previous posting i'm less sure there will a history there. He may simply have wanted a 2nd in command with a more diverse military record.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 8, 2017 12:50:24 GMT
Since we know the Andromeda Initiative isn't leaving the Milky Way to escape the reapers, and that decision was made in part to allow the writers to give each character a reason and back story for leaving the Milky Way. I had said this before and it seems people glossed over it in the debate about her hair. I think part of the reason Cora Harper joined the Initiative is to leave behind her association with Jack Harper(TIM). I highly doubt Bioware would give her the same last name as TIM and not have there be some type of link between the two. There is also her first name which is a combination of Eva Core, and TIM has/had strong feelings for Eva.
I think there may be some type of link between Alec and TIM. They had some type of falling out and as one last jab at TIM, Alec recruits Cora after learning she wants to distance herself from TIM.
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Post by Elsariel on Feb 8, 2017 13:53:30 GMT
I myself wonder if Alec needed someone he could trust. What is Rydad feared what they would find in Andromeda or that when they arrived peoples agendas might change, and they would be in it for themselves and abandon the AI. Maybe he and Cora had a history and he had faith in her and her skills to do what was necessary in the event of trouble. Which would lead to an interesting relationship with our Ryder. Say for example, Rydad is about to be captured. He instructs SAM to proceed with the "transfer protocol", but SAM been an adaptive matrix came to the conclusion that the default "transfer protocol" was inferior and elected to change it and selected our Ryder instead of Cora. What would her reaction be, would she remain loyal as her bio suggests or would there be conflict first? I find it quite fun to ponder the hows and whys. So the above is my best guess for the moment, I just thought I would share What are your thoughts on why or how our Ryder gets picked over Cora and how she would feel about it? I think it would be interesting to see how other people think it will happen and why. Oh and please, no "because SAM didn't like her hair". I think it's best to leave the hair topic to die now. If we need to know what peoples opinions are on that, it already on the internet forever anyway, and there's pages of it... I'm wondering if there is a DNA component to integrating with SAM? Or there was some sort of previous instruction by Alec that either one of his kids were to take over if he isnt able to lead. So Cora literally can't be Pathfinder for that reason.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 8, 2017 14:05:11 GMT
I'm wondering if there is a DNA component to integrating with SAM? Or there was some sort of previous instruction by Alec that either one of his kids were to take over if he isnt able to lead. So Cora literally can't be Pathfinder for that reason. According to the briefing by Cora each member has an implant, but it sounds like Alec's is more advanced. His could have a genetic component to it somehow allowing SAM to feel his emotions and share his experiences. From what little was stated in the briefing it sounds like the rest of the team are only able to use their implants to communicate with the ship, and each other, in addition to it monitoring their vitals. Isn't SAM based off of Alec's wife's neural pattern? That could play a part in it as well. Maybe its SAM herself who chooses she only wants to share feelings and experiences with "family".
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 8, 2017 14:09:35 GMT
I'm wondering if there is a DNA component to integrating with SAM? Or there was some sort of previous instruction by Alec that either one of his kids were to take over if he isnt able to lead. So Cora literally can't be Pathfinder for that reason. Isn't SAM based off of Alec's wife's neural pattern? That could play a part in it as well. Maybe its SAM herself who chooses she only wants to share feelings and experiences with "family". Where did you get that from? Is it in any of the briefings?
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 8, 2017 14:14:31 GMT
It's speculation. So far we know only that both parents worked on SAM.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 8, 2017 14:22:40 GMT
Isn't SAM based off of Alec's wife's neural pattern? That could play a part in it as well. Maybe its SAM herself who chooses she only wants to share feelings and experiences with "family". Where did you get that from? Is it in any of the briefings? Thought it was in the text that was part of the briefing when Cora was talking about SAM. I went back to look at it and enlarged it to make the text more legible. I am wrong about SAM using Ellen Ryder's neural pattern. Ellen Ryder designed the neural implants themselves, to work with the artificial intelligence(SAM) which Alec designed. It also states Ellen Ryder was a pioneer in biotic neural implants. I wonder if she did some tinkering with the twin's implants that lets them become experts in their chosen class and allowing them to change skills. Didn't Bioware say there would be a story reason for the player character's ability to change skills.
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Post by fialka on Feb 8, 2017 15:00:24 GMT
Hmm... what if despite Cora's speculated ultra-loyalty to Alec, it isn't necessarily returned? And that's why he chooses one of his children for Pathfinder instead (assuming he chooses us, rather than it being due to some unforeseen circumstance). Maybe he does discover a family connection between her and Jack Harper, and while the evidence isn't compelling enough to get rid of her as second-in-command, it is worrying enough to give him pause when it comes to passing on his fancy implant to her. But... plot twist: Cora doesn't actually know that she's TIM's daughter/niece whatever. Or there's some other reason he questions whether she can truly be trusted. But to her, assuming his doubts are unfounded, whatever they might be, it just looks she's been passed over.
Regardless, I imagine Cora would be at least a little resentful at the turn of events (whether it's coincidental or not), but I could see her putting the mission first and being professional about it. So maybe we don't actually know that's how she feels until that point in our relationship where we've either proven ourselves to her, or not, and she admits it. I wouldn't mind if there was that bit of tension in the beginning of our working with her, as long as we can move past it. And though I'm not interested in romancing her myself, that dynamic could make things interesting in that regard too.
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