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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 20:18:52 GMT
Try another pic, Yvonne's face is actually almost the same as Miranda, chin too. This one is not the best comparison and who freakin' cares? Geez... boys. I am looking forward to meeting Cora and having her on my team. She looks pretty damn awesome! This is a thread to discuss Cora, and that includes more than just the shallow men who think her looks ruin the whole game. Half the people who do like her and would love to post here are turned off by this disgusting nonsense! I remember when our Jaal thread was 20 pages behind Cora's! We only grew because we caught the eye of others who enjoyed our convos that were smart, funny and intriguing! This is just a disgrace and if the boys need sooo badly to talk about their boners dying because of her face, then they should make a separate thread just about it and let actual Cora fans feel welcomed here. Geez!
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 12, 2017 20:20:52 GMT
Edit: If you two ( Cirvante and xelander ) that were bringing this up were not trolls, I apologize, but this has been talked about enough in this thread I think. let's talk about something else and if you have a problem, maybe a mod after launch will fix it. With people constantly tired of these sorts of discussions such as myself, you bringing this up again just makes me think you're trying to get attention by bringing up the "looks like a man" stuff again. I would never even think of trolling on this forum. Ever. BSN is serious business. And I'm bringing up the "looks like a man" stuff to bring attention to the "looks like a man" stuff. Because I'm tired of having to mod my waifus just because Bioware is about as talented at designing attractive female love interests as they are at writing good netcode for multiplayer. The fact that they then make attractive chars like Leliana, Morrigan and Harding, but don't allow us to romance them is just another insult. And let's face it, there's only so many pages you can fill by circlejerking about how great a character is. This thread needs some adversity to spice things up. This is a thread to discuss Cora, and that includes more than just the shallow men who think her looks ruin the whole game. Half the people who do like her and would love to post here are turned off by this disgusting nonsense! I remember when our Jaal thread was 20 pages behind Cora's! We only grew because we caught the eye of others who enjoyed our convos that were smart, funny and intriguing! This is just a disgrace and if the boys need sooo badly to talk about their boners dying because of her face, then they should make a separate thread just about it and let actual Cora fans feel welcomed here. Geez! I'm so sorry for disrupting your echo chamber. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 12, 2017 20:22:28 GMT
BioWare strives to make their characters believable as people. If you perceive flaws in their appearance then that's all part of what they're going for. Real people have flaws. And they usually can't help the physical ones. Being shallow and judgmental are choices that are much harder for others to overlook.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 20:24:36 GMT
Cirvante apologize to the fans you alienate from this thread with your need to add "adversity", NOT me. I'm done here!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 20:24:56 GMT
Edit: If you two ( Cirvante and xelander ) that were bringing this up were not trolls, I apologize, but this has been talked about enough in this thread I think. let's talk about something else and if you have a problem, maybe a mod after launch will fix it. With people constantly tired of these sorts of discussions such as myself, you bringing this up again just makes me think you're trying to get attention by bringing up the "looks like a man" stuff again. I would never even think of trolling on this forum. Ever. BSN is serious business. And I'm bringing up the "looks like a man" stuff to bring attention to the "looks like a man" stuff. Because I'm tired of having to mod my waifus just because Bioware is about as talented at designing attractive female love interests as they are at writing good netcode for multiplayer. The fact that they then make attractive chars like Leliana, Morrigan and Harding, but don't allow us to romance them is just another insult. And let's face it, there's only so many pages you can fill by circlejerking about how great a character is. This thread needs some adversity to spice things up. This is a thread to discuss Cora, and that includes more than just the shallow men who think her looks ruin the whole game. Half the people who do like her and would love to post here are turned off by this disgusting nonsense! I remember when our Jaal thread was 20 pages behind Cora's! We only grew because we caught the eye of others who enjoyed our convos that were smart, funny and intriguing! This is just a disgrace and if the boys need sooo badly to talk about their boners dying because of her face, then they should make a separate thread just about it and let actual Cora fans feel welcomed here. Geez! I'm so sorry for disrupting your echo chamber. I hope you can find it in your heart to forgive me. But you compared a woman to a goblin. I just don't understand that logic. Edit: Nvm not even gonna try. I'm done posting here.
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 12, 2017 20:28:50 GMT
You realize that Miranda was modeled after a woman with that facial (the jaw) in real life right? And that she's exceedingly beautiful (the irl version) too. Some women have more pronounced jawlines and there's nothing wrong (or ugly) about that. Now, I would maybe say that Bioware leans more toward giving them pronounced jawlines but imo that's because in media and such pronounced jawlines seem to be the norm for lead roles or superheroines. And since a lot of their women are in lead roles... Miranda was modeled after Yvonne Strahovski and they botched it. How can you look at those jaws and say "Yep, uncanny resemblance."? Tali was deeply liked and you couldn't even see her face (mostly). Less of a chance for Bioware to mess up her face. Oh wait, they did. Her jaw, the back portion anyway, does look like hers. (And yes, I know it was Yvonne, but I didn't wanna bother trying to spell out her name lol). The part that doesn't is between the chin and the back jaw bone. However, I can tell that it was modeled after her as they look very similar. I also think they kind of effed Miranda up, but that wasn't the point of my post. The point was that women can be beautiful even with "man jaws." Yvonne being a perfect example, regardless of whether it translated to the game well. And I happen to think Cora looks good as well even with the "man jaw."
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 12, 2017 20:29:36 GMT
But you compared a woman to a goblin. I just don't understand that logic. I compared the design of a video game character to a goblin. If you can find me a real woman who actually looks like that, then she has my sincere condolences. The point was that women can be beautiful even with "man jaws." Yvonne being a perfect example, regardless of whether it translated to the game well. True, you need attractive facial features and the right hairstyle to pull off a man jaw though. Hence my problem with Cora.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 12, 2017 20:30:12 GMT
The only echoing going on in this thread is variations on "Cora is mannish" mantra every few pages. The rest is generally quite varied conversation.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 12, 2017 20:36:53 GMT
"Playersexual" is a misnomer. If, over the course of multiple playthroughs, a character can enter a relationship with either gender, then they are bisexual. The other option is to assume that their sexuality is at the will of the PC and thus completely malleable, which (beyond some "experimenting", I suppose) is ridiculous. This is one instance of those "solutions" which, while seemingly good in the beginning, end up undermining the character/idea/world in the long run. Murkiness is unappealing. No, because there is no continuity between playthroughs. Just as Shepard is not simultaneously both male and female or a certain NPC that can be killed is not both dead and alive, so too is sexuality (or sexual attraction, whatever I'm not sweating terminology here) contained and only applicable in one playthrough. Pasquale hit it on the head- each playthrough is its own self-contained universe. Plus that other social stuff. I saw that post. It wasn't trollish but I didn't respond to it because I didn't see the point. Despite the way you framed it as some form of meaningful analysis, it was just another reiteration of your opinion of jawlines and the haircuts that suit them as though it was somehow something other than subjective. The "mistakes" that you point out are only mistakes if one buys into your underlying assumptions about beauty, which I don't. All the pictures you posted look fine to me. Sure, the real Olivia Wilde looks better than her CGI counterpart, but that's to be expected. You can frame your ideas of beauty however you like. You can make arguments and post photos, but you are just a human being with tastes like the rest of us. There's nothing objective there. It's just an aesthetic opinion made from a mixture of your genetic predispositions and the way your brain has been moulded by your life experience, the same as anyone else's. Unlike the trolls, you're clearly a thoughtful and intelligent chap, but from where I'm sitting, you're wasting your effort on trying to "prove" something that can't be proven. You don't like Cora's haircut. You don't think it suits her jawline. Fine, but it's just your opinion. Some agree with it, others don't. It's not worth wasting pages and pages of a thread over. People are getting put off from posting here by what they perceive as a toxic hate-fest over a bloody haircut. Your posts are tame compared to some, but by continually bringing up your distaste you're not helping, and that's a shame. Like many others, I'd rather like to talk about a potentially interesting character instead of continually obsessing over her looks, but it seems that won't be possible. What a pity. Well, thanks for implying I only "framed" meaningful analysis. I mean I was pretty informal and only going by common knowledge. If I started dropping sources like published articles and studies done on the psychological, social, or even medical basis for objective standards of beauty would I rate some actual analysis? Or would I merely be pointing out other people who are "wasting their time proving the unprovable"? Hell, at least I'm just some nobody on a forum doing this in my spare time, I'd hate to be those guys who set up entire organizations and poured God knows how much money in this boondoggle. Look, while I'm on board with "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", it's not some indivisible end-all be all. There are objective measurable standards for beauty that have been proven to be recognized across a wide array of people from all ages, places and walks of life. That invididual variances in perception, stemming from differing cultural norms, individual experiences and yes, even literal differences in perception give way to an ultimately subjective endpoint judgement does not mean we throw all discussion of the topic out the window. Nor is said discussion some kind of personal attack against some sovereign right of opinion. Cora is a fictional character designed by BioWare as a part of their product, ME:A. Given their ultimate purpose is profit I would think being mindful of these standards of beauty would be in their best interests so as to increase their chances of the character being as appealing as possible and thus as profitable as possible. As you can tell, that's layers of probability at every step, because appeal (not just beauty but entertainment) is ultimately subjective. But why not hedge your bets? But despite how deep we could get into this, this is side discussion at best. Because the most important point I'd like to get across at this time is this: this thread, and this board as a whole are not meant as fan squee-ing safe space gushfests. As it's been brought up in this thread, character threads on here are not soley "fan" threads. They are discussion threads, meant to encompass everything about the character, including criticism of all aspects of said character. So long as posting occurs in good faith and is not an attack against other users or clearly malicious, it is welcome. We have taken action against blatant spamming. What's left is decidely not that. So while people are welcome to do as they wish, even if that means staying in a bubble and labling anything they don't agree with "toxic", that is not the spirit of these forums.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 12, 2017 20:39:20 GMT
Ah, I thought the 'man-jaws' debate had broken out again... Tali was deeply liked and you couldn't even see her face (mostly). Ultimately, Cora will be judged in the game, I suspect, not by Photoshop prior to launch... I already forgot about that, man those were the days when people just toke anatomy lessons out of their asses.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 12, 2017 20:42:34 GMT
Jeez, I step out before hitting post for 10 min and shit goes crazy...
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Post by Gludipow on Feb 12, 2017 20:44:18 GMT
You know, it's been said already in other character romance threads but this thread is getting notorious for being full of whiny, spoiled, over-privileged, hetero man-babies. It's been said elsewhere, but what the hell is the problem with people in this thread?? You have a nice, beautiful female LI coming to cater to your sexuality, but you have the audacity to be so damn self-entitled to sit there in the comfort of your home/apartment/mother's basement whining about a hair cut and jawline. But you compared a woman to a goblin. I just don't understand that logic. I compared the design of a video game character to a goblin. If you can find me a real woman who actually looks like that, then she has my sincere condolences. But you compared a woman to a goblin. I just don't understand that logic. I compared the design of a video game character to a goblin. If you can find me a real woman who actually looks like that, then she has my sincere condolences. And shit like this is the reason why this thread is such a trash can. Because 90% of the filth leaving comments like this demonstrate that their issue with female appearance extends beyond just video games. But they will hide behind the excuse of "it's just a fictional character" to excuse their misogynistic mentalities and behavior. And considering that Cora Harper has a face based on a real person, you are being beyond rude to a real woman. But that's not even the issue here, your last sentence demonstrates you harbor the mentality that women, real or fictional, have value based mostly (if not entirely) on their aesthetic appearance. Well, since people have such issues with women's jawbones, here is your perfect woman:
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 12, 2017 20:46:59 GMT
So people are whining about her appearance because it don't look like they want it to, and blame bioware to "deliberately trying to make their female characters less attractive, to send some "progressive" message about female beauty standards?" Isn't you doing the same? You are trying to make your standards the "right" ones. That is just stupid. Bioware should do what they want. Don't like it? Don't buy it. And there is no one that is forcing you to romance anybody in the game. Anyway, this has been done so many times that it is sad. People should just grow up and realize that they can't get everything they want.
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Post by dalinne on Feb 12, 2017 20:48:39 GMT
I've never thought I could say this, but maybe the Ugly Women Thread should be re-opened. So the people obsessed with man-jaws, ugly women, SWJ agenda into videogames, Illuminati etc could vent and let the official character's threads for interesting conversations, fanart, debates and such. Not this.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 12, 2017 20:49:26 GMT
And we can knock off the personal assumptions/attacks anytime. Criticism of a game character is one thing, going after users is quite another.
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Post by Cirvante on Feb 12, 2017 20:54:06 GMT
You know, it's been said already in other character romance threads but this thread is getting notorious for being full of whiny, spoiled, over-privileged, hetero man-babies. It's been said elsewhere, but what the hell is the problem with people in this thread?? You have a nice, beautiful female LI coming to cater to your sexuality, but you have the audacity to be so damn self-entitled to sit there in the comfort of your home/apartment/mother's basement whining about a hair cut and jawline. Well, shit. You're like some kind of walking internet stereotype. Here's your T-shirt.
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Post by elanor on Feb 12, 2017 21:03:32 GMT
Come on, you can make EVERYONE look better in photoshop.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 12, 2017 21:04:12 GMT
But despite how deep we could get into this, this is side discussion at best. Because the most important point I'd like to get across at this time is this: this thread, and this board as a whole are not meant as fan squee-ing safe space gushfests. As it's been brought up in this thread, character threads on here are not soley "fan" threads. They are discussion threads, meant to encompass everything about the character, including criticism of all aspects of said character. So long as posting occurs in good faith and is not an attack against other users or clearly malicious, it is welcome. We have taken action against blatant spamming. What's left is decidely not that. So while people are welcome to do as they wish, even if that means staying in a bubble and labling anything they don't agree with "toxic", that is not the spirit of these forums. It is indeed "a side discussion at best", and yet a small number of people continually harping on about it seem to be doing their best to turn this thread into a "Cora is mannish" echo-chamber, where others don't feel that it's worth the effort to post, because they're going to get swamped with regurgitations of the same old arguments from the same small group yet again, and to me that's saddening and a waste of the thread's potential. I appreciate that a diversity of opinion is a good thing, but in nominally encouraging it, are you really achieving such diversity or just allowing those who shout the loudest and don't care what others think to dominate? As someone who ran a discussion board for a few years I know what a thankless task it is to get the balance right, ore even to get people to agree on what that looks like, so I'm not sure that there's a solution.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 12, 2017 21:05:11 GMT
I think people are really getting overboard on some issues on the thread. The fame of being full of people that dislike/hate her appearance is over exaggerated at best, false at worst. The people who complained about it recently in the last week were five at best, and not all act in the same way, or criticized her in the same way. Even if I don't agree with it, it's fine to not like her hairs or her appearance, and discussing it from time to time. It doesn't have to cause a big commotion. Both sides should try to not be aggressive in their posts, it'd help a lot, I think.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 12, 2017 21:05:32 GMT
You're like some kind of walking internet stereotype. Here's your T-shirt. Says the man with the Pepe avatar.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 12, 2017 21:08:48 GMT
But despite how deep we could get into this, this is side discussion at best. Because the most important point I'd like to get across at this time is this: this thread, and this board as a whole are not meant as fan squee-ing safe space gushfests. As it's been brought up in this thread, character threads on here are not soley "fan" threads. They are discussion threads, meant to encompass everything about the character, including criticism of all aspects of said character. So long as posting occurs in good faith and is not an attack against other users or clearly malicious, it is welcome. We have taken action against blatant spamming. What's left is decidely not that. So while people are welcome to do as they wish, even if that means staying in a bubble and labling anything they don't agree with "toxic", that is not the spirit of these forums. It is indeed "a side discussion at best", and yet a small number of people continually harping on about it seem to be doing their best to turn this thread into a "Cora is mannish" echo-chamber, where others don't feel that it's worth the effort to post, because they're going to get swamped with regurgitations of the same old arguments from the same small group yet again, and to me that's saddening and a waste of the thread's potential. I appreciate that a diversity of opinion is a good thing, but in nominally encouraging it, are you really achieving such diversity or just allowing those who shout the loudest and don't care what others think to dominate? As someone who ran a discussion board for a few years I know what a thankless task it is to get the balance right, ore even to get people to agree on what that looks like, so I'm not sure that there's a solution. Well, considering the discussion always end and goes to other topics about her, I don't think the situation is that bad. The people who like her appearance post more then the people who dislike her hairs/appearance, at least in terms of number of people. While it's true that some people were turned off by the hair discussion and left, it's not like the can shut down the criticism. It won't help during post release, where criticism will be likely more frequent, for some characters.
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Post by Crim on Feb 12, 2017 21:11:56 GMT
*And here we go, again* Anyway, I just want some Cora news, want to learn something new about her, maybe we'll get something this week. Isn't there talk of a new trailer or something something dropping soon, oh sorry, soon™?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 12, 2017 21:18:11 GMT
It is indeed "a side discussion at best", and yet a small number of people continually harping on about it seem to be doing their best to turn this thread into a "Cora is mannish" echo-chamber, where others don't feel that it's worth the effort to post, because they're going to get swamped with regurgitations of the same old arguments from the same small group yet again, and to me that's saddening and a waste of the thread's potential. I appreciate that a diversity of opinion is a good thing, but in nominally encouraging it, are you really achieving such diversity or just allowing those who shout the loudest and don't care what others think to dominate? As someone who ran a discussion board for a few years I know what a thankless task it is to get the balance right, ore even to get people to agree on what that looks like, so I'm not sure that there's a solution. It is indeed a small number of people who criticize her look and an even smaller number who go full out "she's mannish" (I don't know about the echo chamber thing)... and a greater number of people having a disproportionate reaction to it. I personally do not support this overreaction and as a mod, the complaints are unactionable. That being said, it does seem to have stifled discussion a bit though... I suppose you could make a case that we have reached the limit of reasonable criticism on this matter. Looking at the past page, any legitimate points are just retreads of my or others' arguments from before. Perhaps it is best to list a conclusion that represents both viewpoints and consider this particular criticism closed.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 12, 2017 21:19:36 GMT
*And here we go, again* Anyway, I just want some Cora news, want to learn something new about her, maybe we'll get something this week. Isn't there talk of a new trailer or something something dropping soon, oh sorry, soon™? The long gameplay video is supposed to be released.
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Post by Panda on Feb 12, 2017 21:28:08 GMT
I think people are really getting overboard on some issues on the thread. The fame of being full of people that dislike/hate her appearance is over exaggerated at best, false at worst. The people who complained about it recently in the last week were five at best, and not all act in the same way, or criticized her in the same way. Even if I don't agree with it, it's fine to not like her hairs or her appearance, and discussing it from time to time. It doesn't have to cause a big commotion. Both sides should try to not be aggressive in their posts, it'd help a lot, I think. I did hesitate posting this cause poor thread, but.. I visit this thread rarely, but when I do it always has some trolls talking about Cora's hair or jaw or some other feature they have decided to pick on. I found Captain Marvel comment which was cool, but right after I posted reply on that- boom another troll. Personally I feel bad for the thread and would rather see sexist discussion outside of character thread- in ugly women or other stupid thread like that. I don't think trolling unless it's funny kind has place in character threads, will only stir things up.
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