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Post by The Elder King on Feb 12, 2017 21:33:46 GMT
I think people are really getting overboard on some issues on the thread. The fame of being full of people that dislike/hate her appearance is over exaggerated at best, false at worst. The people who complained about it recently in the last week were five at best, and not all act in the same way, or criticized her in the same way. Even if I don't agree with it, it's fine to not like her hairs or her appearance, and discussing it from time to time. It doesn't have to cause a big commotion. Both sides should try to not be aggressive in their posts, it'd help a lot, I think. I did hesitate posting this cause poor thread, but.. I visit this thread rarely, but when I do it always has some trolls talking about Cora's hair or jaw or some other feature they have decided to pick on. I found Captain Marvel comment which was cool, but right after I posted reply on that- boom another troll. Personally I feel bad for the thread and would rather see sexist discussion outside of character thread- in ugly women or other stupid thread like that. I don't think trolling unless it's funny kind has place in character threads, will only stir things up. I don't think they're necessarily troll/s. I think in the last few pages before the Captain Marvel quote the thread had other type of discussions. The other topic does come from time to time, so if someone doesn't follow the thread I guess I can see why they might always themselves in the middle of it.
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Post by Panda on Feb 12, 2017 21:41:30 GMT
I did hesitate posting this cause poor thread, but.. I visit this thread rarely, but when I do it always has some trolls talking about Cora's hair or jaw or some other feature they have decided to pick on. I found Captain Marvel comment which was cool, but right after I posted reply on that- boom another troll. Personally I feel bad for the thread and would rather see sexist discussion outside of character thread- in ugly women or other stupid thread like that. I don't think trolling unless it's funny kind has place in character threads, will only stir things up. I don't think they're necessarily troll/s. I think in the last few pages before the Captain Marvel quote the thread had other type of discussions. The other topic does come from time to time, so if someone doesn't follow the thread I guess I can see why they might always themselves in the middle of it. If the point is stir up drama the person is a troll. I do get that not everyone participating in that particular topic is one.. though it would be nicer to just believe that, to keep one's faith in humanity etc. I'd say that this case was clearly troll though.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 12, 2017 21:46:01 GMT
I don't think they're necessarily troll/s. I think in the last few pages before the Captain Marvel quote the thread had other type of discussions. The other topic does come from time to time, so if someone doesn't follow the thread I guess I can see why they might always themselves in the middle of it. If the point is stir up drama the person is a troll. I do get that not everyone participating in that particular topic is one.. though it would be nicer to just believe that, to keep one's faith in humanity etc. I'd say that this case was clearly troll though. I don't think that was his intention, but it doesn't matter at this point. About Cora, I'd like to see her in the long gameplay, to judge how well Charge works with the AI.
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 12, 2017 21:53:41 GMT
If the point is stir up drama the person is a troll. I do get that not everyone participating in that particular topic is one.. though it would be nicer to just believe that, to keep one's faith in humanity etc. I'd say that this case was clearly troll though. About Cora, I'd like to see her in the long gameplay, to judge how well Charge works with the AI. I agree, the thing that I'm most interested in is how well the AI work. If it is crap it will make the game unnecessary annoying. I'm also interested how the AI use abilities. Does it just use whatever it have at enemies or is it programmed to use the right ability at the right enemy? And when does it know when to use cover or defense power. Didn't Cora have a biotic shield in one of the leaks?
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 12, 2017 21:57:35 GMT
About Cora, I'd like to see her in the long gameplay, to judge how well Charge works with the AI. I agree, the thing that I'm most interested in is how well the AI work. If it is crap it will make the game unnecessary annoying. I'm also interested how the AI use abilities. Does it just use whatever it have at enemies or is it programmed to use the right ability at the right enemy? And when does it know when to use cover or defense power. Didn't Cora have a biotic shield in one of the leaks? Agreed. Considering the changes in the gameplay, how well AI works will be vital to make it enjoyable or irritating. I think that part was scrapped or changed, since I don't think a biotic shield will work well with how I think her AI should've been implemented to work. Not that it can't be useful, but I think they picked powers more suited to her close range/Vanguard style. I'd like if they reveal their powers, or some of them, other then the signature one.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Feb 12, 2017 22:09:46 GMT
How did we get off the topic of her hair? Trolls
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 12, 2017 22:15:05 GMT
I agree, the thing that I'm most interested in is how well the AI work. If it is crap it will make the game unnecessary annoying. I'm also interested how the AI use abilities. Does it just use whatever it have at enemies or is it programmed to use the right ability at the right enemy? And when does it know when to use cover or defense power. Didn't Cora have a biotic shield in one of the leaks? Agreed. Considering the changes in the gameplay, how well AI works will be vital to make it enjoyable or irritating. I think that part was scrapped or changed, since I don't think a biotic shield will work well with how I think her AI should've been implemented to work. Not that it can't be useful, but I think they picked powers more suited to her close range/Vanguard style. I'd like if they reveal their powers, or some of them, other then the signature one. Well, depending on how the shield works, it could be useful if she would overreach and charges in a group and get stuck, then she can just "shield on!!" and take aggro while the other attack. But that is probably a bit to advanced to implement and as you said it will probably not play well with a Vanguard. And agree on more info about their powers.
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Post by Crim on Feb 12, 2017 22:17:29 GMT
How did we get off the topic of her hair? Trolls Goddammit.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 12, 2017 22:19:12 GMT
Agreed. Considering the changes in the gameplay, how well AI works will be vital to make it enjoyable or irritating. I think that part was scrapped or changed, since I don't think a biotic shield will work well with how I think her AI should've been implemented to work. Not that it can't be useful, but I think they picked powers more suited to her close range/Vanguard style. I'd like if they reveal their powers, or some of them, other then the signature one. Well, depending on how the shield works, it could be useful if she would overreach and charges in a group and get stuck, then she can just "shield on!!" and take aggro while the other attack. But that is probably a bit to advanced to implement and as you said it will probably not play well with a Vanguard. And agree on more info about their powers. Yeah, what I meant is that while useful, it might be too complicated to implement well And fit her playstyle.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 12, 2017 22:26:32 GMT
About Cora, I'd like to see her in the long gameplay, to judge how well Charge works with the AI. I agree, the thing that I'm most interested in is how well the AI work. If it is crap it will make the game unnecessary annoying. I'm also interested how the AI use abilities. Does it just use whatever it have at enemies or is it programmed to use the right ability at the right enemy? And when does it know when to use cover or defense power. Didn't Cora have a biotic shield in one of the leaks? Yeah, if they are going to force me not to pause and give commands tactically, then the squadmate AI had better be as good as they've been suggesting. To be honest, the combat gameplay is my biggest concern for this game at the moment. I'm liking the look of pretty much everything else.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 22:36:26 GMT
About Cora's hair... For everyone that's complaining, or did complain, get over it. I'm not even arguing that I like my squadmates or not, but... I'm sure a lot of players would love to have the straight/bi attractive female with classic hair, but even today, that's not what even happens in real life, even in the place you work, or study, or go get some time off. Society is changing, whether you, me, or every single of us here like it or not. Imagine it in 200 years. It's pretty normal and realistic that you will have only more and more individuals that do not fit into the standard of beauty or style. In future games, don't be surprised if your team will have only trans people, or gay aliens, or anything in between without the obvious straight female, straight male romance option. Especially considering only 5, 7 individuals. The devs shouldn't even feel pressured anymore to create SQUADMATES that fit this criteria. Diversity is about your hairstyles and the way you dress too. Bioware is doing the right thing. And they had for as long as I can remember, in this aspect. That's not saying there won't be NPCs in the game that will fit this particular standard profile. Of course they will, and there should be anyway. If you don't like her because of her hair or because you don't find her attractive, mod the game later, or if you're playing on consoles, deal with it or don't buy the game. You'll still have total control over your character, and that's how it should be. Not over NPCs. I apologize to everyone that do not feel this way, this was not intended for you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2017 22:42:31 GMT
So people are whining about her appearance because it don't look like they want it to, and blame bioware to "deliberately trying to make their female characters less attractive, to send some "progressive" message about female beauty standards?"
Isn't you doing the same? You are trying to make your standards the "right" ones. That is just stupid. Bioware should do what they want. Don't like it? Don't buy it. So much ^this.
And while it may not be true of everyone, I think some of the criticisms of the hair and mannish jaw comments stem from the troubling wider issue those comments relate to. Such as some of those comments bordering on outright sexism and misogyny, and people have every right to call that out and criticize it. Since there has been a lot of comments on here, constantly repeated, its just casting light on the still current issues of women in video games, particularly how they are depicted and portrayed (IMO BioWare are a developer that haven't had this problem, since how they depict and portray women and female characters should be applauded and more the norm) and also how gamers themselves perceive and react to depictions and portrayals of women. Like how if a female character doesn't conform to the societal standard (or video game's standard) of beauty and femininity, then there is some "agenda" being pushed. Personally I like the fact that BioWare are just doing what they want, designing character's how they want, and personally it seems to me there is no clear agenda or "message" they are trying to send with how they have designed their characters. Their characters just are, if that makes sense? I think if there are problems with how a character looks it's their problem, not BioWare's. This whole "boycott" thing I've seen some people post on YT and elsewhere is just ridiculous. Like anything now that appears remotely progressive in the eyes of some people the automatic response is to boycott it? If I were BioWare I'd be glad such immature people aren't going to buy and engage with my product. I don't think they're necessarily troll/s. I think in the last few pages before the Captain Marvel quote the thread had other type of discussions. The other topic does come from time to time, so if someone doesn't follow the thread I guess I can see why they might always themselves in the middle of it. If the point is stir up drama the person is a troll. I do get that not everyone participating in that particular topic is one.. though it would be nicer to just believe that, to keep one's faith in humanity etc. I'd say that this case was clearly troll though. I could be confused, but you don't mean my Captain Marvel quote/comment do you?
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Post by Panda on Feb 12, 2017 22:59:59 GMT
If the point is stir up drama the person is a troll. I do get that not everyone participating in that particular topic is one.. though it would be nicer to just believe that, to keep one's faith in humanity etc. I'd say that this case was clearly troll though. I could be confused, but you don't mean my Captain Marvel quote/comment do you? No, earlier one.
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Post by readher on Feb 12, 2017 23:23:27 GMT
Saying things like this is the best way to make people who hate on Cora's looks laugh at you and stop reading your comment right after this part. I don't have problems with Cora's looks (though she could look better of course) but I'll endorse and defend anyone hating on them because I did the same with Cassandra. Whether you like it or not, humans are attracted to certain looks and calling out on not being attracted to x jaw or y hair is not sexist, not mysygonist but realistic. Next thing you'll defend 200 kg female LI and call people saying she's fat sexists. Might as well switch board to tumblr.
The way you people go from "Who cares about her looks." to long replies to people hating on them clearly shows you care as well. I'd rather have a hair/face discussion that has a groundbase than thousands of baseless speculations. The discussion is baffling in the first place. One person says she looks ugly, then you or someone else comes and says "No, she looks fine/pretty/beautiful.". Pray tell me, why should your word on that have more value than theirs? If anything, various statistics I and other people provided in Ugly women thread work in favor of people hating her hair, so I really don't see why everyone should clap happily and accept your stance or her attractiveness.
Since I got so worked up on this, I might as well add that I wonder if our XO will be pre-determined (in that case Cora probably) or will we be able to pick them ourselves (since we aren't technically military so various people might want various types of person as their XO).
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 12, 2017 23:24:30 GMT
I doubt she is just going to go charging all over the battlefield. Her charge (if she has it) will probably be one of those abilities that the AI never uses unless you specifically instruct them to. Like, she'll probably use barrier when she's low health or at the start of a fight and whatever ability she may have to strip defenses or throw a shockwave or whatever.
I feel like if she's just charging around, that'll really disrupt what the player is doing.
Too bad there isn't a combat tactics page like in DA where you can set WHEN the squad uses certain powers. Set them to play defensively or aggressively and then just leave them alone to do their thing. That'd be great for me anyway. I tend to forget to tell the squad to do anything while I'm busy mowing down the enemies. lol
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 12, 2017 23:30:02 GMT
I doubt she is just going to go charging all over the battlefield. Her charge (if she has it) will probably be one of those abilities that the AI never uses unless you specifically instruct them to. Like, she'll probably use barrier when she's low health or at the start of a fight and whatever ability she may have to strip defenses or throw a shockwave or whatever. I feel like if she's just charging around, that'll really disrupt what the player is doing. Too bad there isn't a combat tactics page like in DA where you can set WHEN the squad uses certain powers. Set them to play defensively or aggressively and then just leave them alone to do their thing. That'd be great for me anyway. I tend to forget to tell the squad to do anything while I'm busy mowing down the enemies. lol This. I loved how DAO worked. It made everything much easier for me. And I agree that it is easy to forget them in battle. "Where is cora? Oh,, she died, damn it"
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Post by readher on Feb 12, 2017 23:36:54 GMT
I doubt she is just going to go charging all over the battlefield. Her charge (if she has it) will probably be one of those abilities that the AI never uses unless you specifically instruct them to. Like, she'll probably use barrier when she's low health or at the start of a fight and whatever ability she may have to strip defenses or throw a shockwave or whatever. I feel like if she's just charging around, that'll really disrupt what the player is doing. Too bad there isn't a combat tactics page like in DA where you can set WHEN the squad uses certain powers. Set them to play defensively or aggressively and then just leave them alone to do their thing. That'd be great for me anyway. I tend to forget to tell the squad to do anything while I'm busy mowing down the enemies. lol This. I loved how DAO worked. It made everything much easier for me. And I agree that it is easy to forget them in battle. "Where is cora? Oh,, she died, damn it" DAO tactis menu was great, especially with a mod that expanded it and even allowed your MC to follow tactics rather than directly controlling them.
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Post by hammerstorm on Feb 12, 2017 23:41:00 GMT
This. I loved how DAO worked. It made everything much easier for me. And I agree that it is easy to forget them in battle. "Where is cora? Oh,, she died, damn it" DAO tactis menu was great, especially with a mod that expanded it and even allowed your MC to follow tactics rather than directly controlling them. What, there is? Damn I didn't know that. That would make life easy as hell.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 12, 2017 23:51:24 GMT
The discussion is baffling in the first place. One person says she looks ugly, then you or someone else comes and says "No, she looks fine/pretty/beautiful.". Pray tell me, why should your word on that have more value than theirs? This is actually the main thrust of what I've said throughout this thread, but it works both ways and from where I'm sitting it's the people who dislike her looks who continually state their subjective opinion as if it were fact. Again and again. Page after page. It gets tedious...
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Post by sgtreed24 on Feb 12, 2017 23:56:39 GMT
I doubt she is just going to go charging all over the battlefield. Her charge (if she has it) will probably be one of those abilities that the AI never uses unless you specifically instruct them to. Like, she'll probably use barrier when she's low health or at the start of a fight and whatever ability she may have to strip defenses or throw a shockwave or whatever. I feel like if she's just charging around, that'll really disrupt what the player is doing. Too bad there isn't a combat tactics page like in DA where you can set WHEN the squad uses certain powers. Set them to play defensively or aggressively and then just leave them alone to do their thing. That'd be great for me anyway. I tend to forget to tell the squad to do anything while I'm busy mowing down the enemies. lol This. I loved how DAO worked. It made everything much easier for me. And I agree that it is easy to forget them in battle. "Where is cora? Oh,, she died, damn it" Cora... charge up there and take out that last enemy in the tower! Cora? CORA? Dammit, not again... Liam, get the medigel.
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Post by The Elder King on Feb 13, 2017 0:02:21 GMT
I doubt Charge is going to be used rarely. Otherwise they wouldn't have given it to her. I do have concerns on how it works, as well AI in general, so hopefully it'll work well enough.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 13, 2017 0:57:52 GMT
Came here to talk about how I like that Cora reminds me of Helix from GI Joe and look for fan art. Instead...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 1:18:35 GMT
Came here to talk about how I like that Cora reminds me of Helix from GI Joe and look for fan art. Instead... Baltimore Ravens?
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 13, 2017 1:27:51 GMT
It was just supposed to be the regular version of the gif. Sadly, just like most of this thread, it's not what I wanted it to be. D:
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 1:29:22 GMT
It was just supposed to be the regular version of the gif. Sadly, just like her hair, it's not what I wanted it to be. D: Agreed
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