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Post by Mihura on Feb 13, 2017 1:50:12 GMT
Saying things like this is the best way to make people who hate on Cora's looks laugh at you and stop reading your comment right after this part. I don't have problems with Cora's looks (though she could look better of course) but I'll endorse and defend anyone hating on them because I did the same with Cassandra. Whether you like it or not, humans are attracted to certain looks and calling out on not being attracted to x jaw or y hair is not sexist, not mysygonist but realistic. Next thing you'll defend 200 kg female LI and call people saying she's fat sexists. Might as well switch board to tumblr. The way you people go from "Who cares about her looks." to long replies to people hating on them clearly shows you care as well. I'd rather have a hair/face discussion that has a groundbase than thousands of baseless speculations. The discussion is baffling in the first place. One person says she looks ugly, then you or someone else comes and says "No, she looks fine/pretty/beautiful.". Pray tell me, why should your word on that have more value than theirs? If anything, various statistics I and other people provided in Ugly women thread work in favor of people hating her hair, so I really don't see why everyone should clap happily and accept your stance or her attractiveness. Since I got so worked up on this, I might as well add that I wonder if our XO will be pre-determined (in that case Cora probably) or will we be able to pick them ourselves (since we aren't technically military so various people might want various types of person as their XO). It doesn't, both are valid as personal opinions. The problem is this need to judge, cry and yell over and over about how ugly female characters and people are. For example I do not care at all about Liam, Drack or Jaal. I find them unappealing, so I prefer to focus on other characters. I am not going to those topics and yell all day that males are ugly and make me vomit. That would not make any sense.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 13, 2017 2:07:05 GMT
Has anyone figured out Cora's face model yet? Found a possible match on imgur(Tapetenhemd). The woman in the picture is Miss Switzerland, Dominique Rinderknecht.
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Post by Ceoldoren on Feb 13, 2017 2:07:15 GMT
Saying things like this is the best way to make people who hate on Cora's looks laugh at you and stop reading your comment right after this part. I don't have problems with Cora's looks (though she could look better of course) but I'll endorse and defend anyone hating on them because I did the same with Cassandra. Whether you like it or not, humans are attracted to certain looks and calling out on not being attracted to x jaw or y hair is not sexist, not mysygonist but realistic. Next thing you'll defend 200 kg female LI and call people saying she's fat sexists. Might as well switch board to tumblr. The way you people go from "Who cares about her looks." to long replies to people hating on them clearly shows you care as well. I'd rather have a hair/face discussion that has a groundbase than thousands of baseless speculations. The discussion is baffling in the first place. One person says she looks ugly, then you or someone else comes and says "No, she looks fine/pretty/beautiful.". Pray tell me, why should your word on that have more value than theirs? If anything, various statistics I and other people provided in Ugly women thread work in favor of people hating her hair, so I really don't see why everyone should clap happily and accept your stance or her attractiveness. Since I got so worked up on this, I might as well add that I wonder if our XO will be pre-determined (in that case Cora probably) or will we be able to pick them ourselves (since we aren't technically military so various people might want various types of person as their XO). It doesn't, both are valid as personal opinions. The problem is this need to judge, cry and yell over and over about how ugly female characters and people are. For example I do not care at all about Liam, Drack or Jaal. I find them unappealing, so I prefer to focus on other characters. I am not going to those topics and yell all day that males are ugly and make me vomit. That would not make any sense. And the Jaal thread thanks you for not coming in and complaining about him.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 13, 2017 2:12:18 GMT
It doesn't, both are valid as personal opinions. The problem is this need to judge, cry and yell over and over about how ugly female characters and people are. For example I do not care at all about Liam, Drack or Jaal. I find them unappealing, so I prefer to focus on other characters. I am not going to those topics and yell all day that males are ugly and make me vomit. That would not make any sense. And the Jaal thread thanks you for not coming in and complaining about him. Awww, no problem but it is nothing personal with Jaal, he just happens to be a male character. I discriminated equally.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 13, 2017 2:43:12 GMT
Has anyone figured out Cora's face model yet? Found a possible match on imgur(Tapetenhemd). The woman in the picture is Miss Switzerland, Dominique Rinderknecht. Bioware has not revealed the face model yet, but they have confirmed it is not Dominique Rinderknecht.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 13, 2017 3:12:53 GMT
It was just supposed to be the regular version of the gif. Sadly, just like her hair, it's not what I wanted it to be. D: Agreed I like her hair. I expect better from someone with that avatar, than baseline misquoting.
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Post by naytnavare on Feb 13, 2017 3:13:24 GMT
Has anyone figured out Cora's face model yet? Found a possible match on imgur(Tapetenhemd). The woman in the picture is Miss Switzerland, Dominique Rinderknecht. Bioware has not revealed the face model yet, but they have confirmed it is not Dominique Rinderknecht. Might as well be, though. All the hearts.
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Post by KingDarious BBB on Feb 13, 2017 3:18:02 GMT
Saying things like this is the best way to make people who hate on Cora's looks laugh at you and stop reading your comment right after this part. I don't have problems with Cora's looks (though she could look better of course) but I'll endorse and defend anyone hating on them because I did the same with Cassandra. Whether you like it or not, humans are attracted to certain looks and calling out on not being attracted to x jaw or y hair is not sexist, not mysygonist but realistic. Next thing you'll defend 200 kg female LI and call people saying she's fat sexists. Might as well switch board to tumblr. The way you people go from "Who cares about her looks." to long replies to people hating on them clearly shows you care as well. I'd rather have a hair/face discussion that has a groundbase than thousands of baseless speculations. The discussion is baffling in the first place. One person says she looks ugly, then you or someone else comes and says "No, she looks fine/pretty/beautiful.". Pray tell me, why should your word on that have more value than theirs? If anything, various statistics I and other people provided in Ugly women thread work in favor of people hating her hair, so I really don't see why everyone should clap happily and accept your stance or her attractiveness. Since I got so worked up on this, I might as well add that I wonder if our XO will be pre-determined (in that case Cora probably) or will we be able to pick them ourselves (since we aren't technically military so various people might want various types of person as their XO). It doesn't, both are valid as personal opinions. The problem is this need to judge, cry and yell over and over about how ugly female characters and people are. For example I do not care at all about Liam, Drack or Jaal. I find them unappealing, so I prefer to focus on other characters. I am not going to those topics and yell all day that males are ugly and make me vomit. That would not make any sense. That's because most of the people on the Liam and Jaal thread, are bunch of liberal snowflakes cucks. PS i'm not being serious.
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Post by Mihura on Feb 13, 2017 3:37:52 GMT
It doesn't, both are valid as personal opinions. The problem is this need to judge, cry and yell over and over about how ugly female characters and people are. For example I do not care at all about Liam, Drack or Jaal. I find them unappealing, so I prefer to focus on other characters. I am not going to those topics and yell all day that males are ugly and make me vomit. That would not make any sense. That's because most of the people on the Liam and Jaal thread, are bunch of liberal snowflakes cucks. PS i'm not being serious.That is ok I was not being serious either, it is most sarcasm and huge exaggeration but it is what most trolls sound like to me.
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Post by zered on Feb 13, 2017 8:13:59 GMT
Has anyone figured out Cora's face model yet? Found a possible match on imgur(Tapetenhemd). The woman in the picture is Miss Switzerland, Dominique Rinderknecht. They said it's not based on do Dominique but the resemblance is incredible.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 13, 2017 8:16:42 GMT
That's because most of the people on the Liam and Jaal thread, are bunch of liberal snowflakes cucks. PS i'm not being serious. Joking aside, depending on your preference it's probably worth reminding ourselves of a couple of points: Liking Cora's hair doesn't in of itself make someone a ”Tumblr-dwelling libtard feminazi SJW cuck". Disliking it doesn't in of itself make someone a "Breitbart-reading alt-right dudebro MRA mysoginist". ...and then perhaps moving on to talk about something else? Too much to ask on the internet, I fear...
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 13, 2017 11:37:49 GMT
Has anyone figured out Cora's face model yet? Found a possible match on imgur(Tapetenhemd). The woman in the picture is Miss Switzerland, Dominique Rinderknecht. They said it's not based on do Dominique but the resemblance is incredible. Wow that is hard to believe, the resemblance is uncanny. Now I am really curious who the face model is and how much she looks like Dominique.
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Post by Crim on Feb 13, 2017 11:50:01 GMT
They said it's not based on do Dominique but the resemblance is incredible. Wow that is hard to believe, the resemblance is uncanny. Now I am really curious who the face model is and how much she looks like Dominique. This will end well.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 13, 2017 12:31:03 GMT
Wow that is hard to believe, the resemblance is uncanny. Now I am really curious who the face model is and how much she looks like Dominique. This will end well. Call it a quirk of mine, but I am fascinated when two people share a strong resemblance(sans makeup), and have no relation.
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Post by Babar Guy on Feb 13, 2017 12:46:49 GMT
Has anyone figured out Cora's face model yet? Found a possible match on imgur(Tapetenhemd). The woman in the picture is Miss Switzerland, Dominique Rinderknecht.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 13, 2017 13:40:27 GMT
Call it a quirk of mine, but I am fascinated when two people share a strong resemblance(sans makeup), and have no relation. I'm not so sure that the resemblance is as strong as you think, especially if you do a Google image search and look at Dominique's face from more angles. I think it's more indicative of how much a haircut can define our perception of a face. In the opposite direction, changing one's haircut or wearing a wig is one of the fundamentals of disguise. In this case, you have two admittedly similar faces with the same haircut which influences you to perceive them as more identical than they actually are... God dammit I'm talking about haircuts again...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 13:44:37 GMT
Saying things like this is the best way to make people who hate on Cora's looks laugh at you and stop reading your comment right after this part. Whether you like it or not, humans are attracted to certain looks and calling out on not being attracted to x jaw or y hair is not sexist, not mysygonist but realistic. First of all I couldn't really care less whether people laugh at me and stop reading my comments when I call out a minor few for their insistent posts that do border on misogyny. If they are going to laugh and refuse to look at an other side to an argument, no matter how they feel about the argument, why the hell should I care what they think? If they are just going to laugh and ignore, then the cycle of echoing hair comments will continue, and this thread will only continue to spiral further. But I do care about these particular hair comments that aren't just reflective of their opinions on Cora but on women themselves, and how that is reflective of a much wider cultural issue which is something that shouldn't be laughed at but called out on. These comments don't further discussion, they don't provoke debate. Which is why you are seeing more and more people come here to call it out, especially from other women, because it is horrible to see a character of their own gender be picked apart and analysed like and photo shopped so she is the Stepford Wife some of you all want all female video game characters to be. As to the second part, yes, humans are attracted to certain looks and I agree there should be at least in the case of BioWare characters since they are romanceable, discussions on what we find attractive etc. and having these discussions is realistic to an extent. But we have so moved beyond discussing that now as I mentioned above with the picking apart and over analysis like she's a test subject, and its no longer a "realistic" discussion when its hateful comments against Cora's hair and women's appearances in general. That is misogynistic, when a women's entire value and perception of worth is based solely on their hair and jawline, and their titillating attractiveness catered solely to the straight male gaze. I am not saying this is true of you or everyone making hair comments, if anything its a minority, and I am not calling out everyone who doesn't like Cora's hair, but it is true of some of the posters endlessly criticizing Cora's hair whose criticisms have real life implications on the perceptions and treatment of women. Saying things like this is the best way to make people who hate on Cora's looks laugh at you and stop reading your comment right after this part. It doesn't, both are valid as personal opinions. The problem is this need to judge, cry and yell over and over about how ugly female characters and people are. For example I do not care at all about Liam, Drack or Jaal. I find them unappealing, so I prefer to focus on other characters. I am not going to those topics and yell all day that males are ugly and make me vomit. That would not make any sense. Yep, ironic given how endless crying and yelling on Cora's hair is the best way to make people laugh at you and stop reading your comment. But ultimately none of us do because we are mature enough to instead challenge these perceptions not of the character so much but how they correlate to real world implications of how real women are seen and ultimately valued.
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Post by Crim on Feb 13, 2017 14:11:43 GMT
Call it a quirk of mine, but I am fascinated when two people share a strong resemblance(sans makeup), and have no relation. Eh, they have a similar haircut but don't look that much alike imo.
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Post by Domakir on Feb 13, 2017 14:15:45 GMT
Has anyone figured out Cora's face model yet? Found a possible match on imgur(Tapetenhemd). The woman in the picture is Miss Switzerland, Dominique Rinderknecht.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Feb 13, 2017 14:35:55 GMT
Call it a quirk of mine, but I am fascinated when two people share a strong resemblance(sans makeup), and have no relation. Eh, they have a similar haircut but don't look that much alike imo. Their eye shape, eye brows, cheeks(smile lines), nose and jaw are similar. Their chins do look different, but that was also the case for Miranda vs Yvonne. It may very well be Cora's face model and Dominique look nothing alike and it is more to do with how it translated into the game's engine. I look at the picture that is going around of Sara's face model and it looks similar but there are some differences. One being Sara looks like a bit of a baby face(possibly due to unfinished animations) vs the model who looks her actual age.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 13, 2017 15:12:45 GMT
Eh, they have a similar haircut but don't look that much alike imo. Their eye shape, eye brows, cheeks(smile lines), nose and jaw are similar. Not from this angle. Dominique has much higher cheekbones and her nose is both smaller and differently-shaped at the tip.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 13, 2017 15:15:34 GMT
First of all I couldn't really care less whether people laugh at me and stop reading my comments when I call out a minor few for their insistent posts that do border on misogyny. If they are going to laugh and refuse to look at an other side to an argument, no matter how they feel about the argument, why the hell should I care what they think? If they are just going to laugh and ignore, then the cycle of echoing hair comments will continue, and this thread will only continue to spiral further. But I do care about these particular hair comments that aren't just reflective of their opinions on Cora but on women themselves, and how that is reflective of a much wider cultural issue which is something that shouldn't be laughed at but called out on. These comments don't further discussion, they don't provoke debate. Which is why you are seeing more and more people come here to call it out, especially from other women, because it is horrible to see a character of their own gender be picked apart and analysed like and photo shopped so she is the Stepford Wife some of you all want all female video game characters to be. As to the second part, yes, humans are attracted to certain looks and I agree there should be at least in the case of BioWare characters since they are romanceable, discussions on what we find attractive etc. and having these discussions is realistic to an extent. But we have so moved beyond discussing that now as I mentioned above with the picking apart and over analysis like she's a test subject, and its no longer a "realistic" discussion when its hateful comments against Cora's hair and women's appearances in general. That is misogynistic, when a women's entire value and perception of worth is based solely on their hair and jawline, and their titillating attractiveness catered solely to the straight male gaze. I am not saying this is true of you or everyone making hair comments, if anything its a minority, and I am not calling out everyone who doesn't like Cora's hair, but it is true of some of the posters endlessly criticizing Cora's hair whose criticisms have real life implications on the perceptions and treatment of women. Yep, ironic given how endless crying and yelling on Cora's hair is the best way to make people laugh at you and stop reading your comment. But ultimately none of us do because we are mature enough to instead challenge these perceptions not of the character so much but how they correlate to real world implications of how real women are seen and ultimately valued. I suspect most people want to move on from this, but I just underlined the parts of your post that are shark-jumping assumptions with zero basis in anything going on in this thread. Hope it helps explain why some may laugh at a post like this. Specifically, they're laughing not at the issue, but at the way it has no bearing on what's actually being discusssed in the thread. And probably some internal irony as well. But anyway, time to move on. This line of argumentation relies on personal assumptions and it's off topic as fuck. People say this thread is stifled by hair talk. I'm curious to see what it'll do without it for a time.
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Post by Crim on Feb 13, 2017 15:27:58 GMT
Eh, they have a similar haircut but don't look that much alike imo. Their eye shape, eye brows, cheeks(smile lines), nose and jaw are similar. Their chins do look different, but that was also the case for Miranda vs Yvonne. It may very well be Cora's face model and Dominique look nothing alike and it is more to do with how it translated into the game's engine. I look at the picture that is going around of Sara's face model and it looks similar but there are some differences. One being Sara looks like a bit of a baby face(possibly due to unfinished animations) vs the model who looks her actual age. >Opinions I disagree. Looking at a side profile of that model and Cora, you can see the differences. Defo don't have a similar nose shape. Anyway, eh, this topic, don't enjoy dissecting Cora's appearance ad nauseam, like some are happy to here. It bores me to tears honestly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 15:35:52 GMT
First of all I couldn't really care less whether people laugh at me and stop reading my comments when I call out a minor few for their insistent posts that do border on misogyny. If they are going to laugh and refuse to look at an other side to an argument, no matter how they feel about the argument, why the hell should I care what they think? If they are just going to laugh and ignore, then the cycle of echoing hair comments will continue, and this thread will only continue to spiral further. But I do care about these particular hair comments that aren't just reflective of their opinions on Cora but on women themselves, and how that is reflective of a much wider cultural issue which is something that shouldn't be laughed at but called out on. These comments don't further discussion, they don't provoke debate. Which is why you are seeing more and more people come here to call it out, especially from other women, because it is horrible to see a character of their own gender be picked apart and analysed like and photo shopped so she is the Stepford Wife some of you all want all female video game characters to be. As to the second part, yes, humans are attracted to certain looks and I agree there should be at least in the case of BioWare characters since they are romanceable, discussions on what we find attractive etc. and having these discussions is realistic to an extent. But we have so moved beyond discussing that now as I mentioned above with the picking apart and over analysis like she's a test subject, and its no longer a "realistic" discussion when its hateful comments against Cora's hair and women's appearances in general. That is misogynistic, when a women's entire value and perception of worth is based solely on their hair and jawline, and their titillating attractiveness catered solely to the straight male gaze. I am not saying this is true of you or everyone making hair comments, if anything its a minority, and I am not calling out everyone who doesn't like Cora's hair, but it is true of some of the posters endlessly criticizing Cora's hair whose criticisms have real life implications on the perceptions and treatment of women. Yep, ironic given how endless crying and yelling on Cora's hair is the best way to make people laugh at you and stop reading your comment. But ultimately none of us do because we are mature enough to instead challenge these perceptions not of the character so much but how they correlate to real world implications of how real women are seen and ultimately valued. I suspect most people want to move on from this, but I just underlined the parts of your post that are shark-jumping assumptions with zero basis in anything going on in this thread. Hope it helps explain why some may laugh at a post like this. Specifically, they're laughing not at the issue, but at the way it has no bearing on what's actually being discusssed in the thread. And probably some internal irony as well. But anyway, time to move on. This line of argumentation relies on personal assumptions and it's off topic as fuck. People say this thread is stifled by hair talk. I'm curious to see what it'll do without it for a time. By all means just dismiss what plenty of people other than myself have seen in this thread. I could go and quote all the comments made about Cora's hair, jaw, woman's appearances to back up what I see as misogyny, but it would still all get dismissed or "laughed at" or called "jumping the shark". And now it's time to move on? People were asking for people to move on from Cora's horrible hair comments for ages, and pages and pages ago, and yet you and plenty of others kept bringing it back up to support your opinions on her hair and what is attractive in women. But when someone brings up an argument you disagree with, now its time to move on?
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Feb 13, 2017 15:56:52 GMT
Their eye shape, eye brows, cheeks(smile lines), nose and jaw are similar. Their chins do look different, but that was also the case for Miranda vs Yvonne. It may very well be Cora's face model and Dominique look nothing alike and it is more to do with how it translated into the game's engine. I look at the picture that is going around of Sara's face model and it looks similar but there are some differences. One being Sara looks like a bit of a baby face(possibly due to unfinished animations) vs the model who looks her actual age. >Opinions I disagree. Looking at a side profile of that model and Cora, you can see the differences. Defo don't have a similar nose shape. Anyway, eh, this topic, don't enjoy dissecting Cora's appearance ad nauseam, like some are happy to here. It bores me to tears honestly. Sorry about my part in that. I'm not so opposed to such things in the context of assessing if two faces look the same, but I suppose it doesn't really fit with the whole "moving on" thing...
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