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Post by themikefest on Oct 18, 2016 10:56:48 GMT
I would love to have an option in the character creator to have scars like this. If Ryder is able to have scars, I like to hear how he/she got those scars if someone were to ask him/her about them. That's one thing that I was hoping for in DAI. Having the dialogue wheel pop up with an option to choose what dialogue I could pick to tell the character I'm talking with how I got the scars. I also wanted to ask Cassandra about her scar on her cheek.
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 18, 2016 10:58:58 GMT
I would love to have an option in the character creator to have scars like this. If Ryder is able to have scars, I like to hear how he/she got those scars if someone were to ask him/her about them. That's one thing that I was hoping for in DAI. Having the dialogue wheel pop up with an option to choose what dialogue I could pick to tell the character I'm talking with how I got the scars. I also wanted to ask Cassandra about her scar on her cheek. I think it's theorically possible to do. Didn't they do something similar with a redhead Inquisitor and Iron Bull?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2016 10:59:59 GMT
I would love to have an option in the character creator to have scars like this. If Ryder is able to have scars, I like to hear how he/she got those scars if someone were to ask him/her about them. That's one thing that I was hoping for in DAI. Having the dialogue wheel pop up with an option to choose what dialogue I could pick to tell the character I'm talking with how I got the scars. I also wanted to ask Cassandra about her scar on her cheek. Meanwhile I would prefer how we got them not coming up in dialogue since that severely limits roleplaying options regarding it. If how you got them is not brought up, you have literally infinite possibilities for it where as if how you got them are brought up you have only a half dozen at most. Now other questions regarding them I wouldn't mind as much, like 'Do they hurt' or something since then there are only a few answers anyway.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 18, 2016 11:00:20 GMT
If Ryder is able to have scars, I like to hear how he/she got those scars if someone were to ask him/her about them. That's one thing that I was hoping for in DAI. Having the dialogue wheel pop up with an option to choose what dialogue I could pick to tell the character I'm talking with how I got the scars. I also wanted to ask Cassandra about her scar on her cheek. I think it's theorically possible to do. Didn't they do something similar with a redhead Inquisitor and Iron Bull? Not in my playthrough.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 18, 2016 11:01:32 GMT
I think gut reactions of ugly, annoying, immature are equally valid to those of cute, sweet, funny in regards the new asari. It's all based on limited data so any preconceptions may end up being partially or completely wrong. Reactions are heightened to her presently as she's the only character we've had any visual and spoken content for outside of the protagonist and the fact she'd asari, and hence considered a probable LI.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2016 11:02:23 GMT
I would love to have an option in the character creator to have scars like this. Agree. It was a pity femShep has so subtle scars comparing to maleShep in ME1. That gendered diference was corrected by ME2 and ME3... but it was unfortunate you have to play as renegade in order to keep the scars. I like characters with heavy scars and a little scary at first sight who are the opposite of renegade or ruthless behaviour. Femshep in ME1 did get some neat scars though, like the one across her nose and cheeks, but in general you are right that they were more subtle compared to maleShep scars. And yeah the whole linking scars to being evil was a mistake.
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Post by Ahriman on Oct 18, 2016 11:04:24 GMT
I would love to have an option in the character creator to have scars like this. If Ryder is able to have scars, I like to hear how he/she got those scars if someone were to ask him/her about them. That's one thing that I was hoping for in DAI. Having the dialogue wheel pop up with an option to choose what dialogue I could pick to tell the character I'm talking with how I got the scars. I also wanted to ask Cassandra about her scar on her cheek. Considering how inexperienced Ryder is supposed to be, these scars should be from falling from a tree.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 18, 2016 11:05:20 GMT
If Ryder is able to have scars, I like to hear how he/she got those scars if someone were to ask him/her about them. That's one thing that I was hoping for in DAI. Having the dialogue wheel pop up with an option to choose what dialogue I could pick to tell the character I'm talking with how I got the scars. I also wanted to ask Cassandra about her scar on her cheek. Meanwhile I would prefer how we got them not coming up in dialogue since that severely limits roleplaying options regarding it. If how you got them is not brought up, you have literally infinite possibilities for it where as if how you got them are brought up you have only a half dozen at most. Now other questions regarding them I wouldn't mind as much, like 'Do they hurt' or something since then there are only a few answers anyway. I don't see a problem having a few dialogue choices for the player to choose for how Ryder got the scar/scars.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2016 11:07:11 GMT
Meanwhile I would prefer how we got them not coming up in dialogue since that severely limits roleplaying options regarding it. If how you got them is not brought up, you have literally infinite possibilities for it where as if how you got them are brought up you have only a half dozen at most. Now other questions regarding them I wouldn't mind as much, like 'Do they hurt' or something since then there are only a few answers anyway. I don't see a problem having a few dialogue choices for the player to choose for how Ryder got the scar/scars. I do. What if you wanted a certain backstory regarding it yet that isn't available in the few options they give you?
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Post by themikefest on Oct 18, 2016 11:08:53 GMT
I don't see a problem having a few dialogue choices for the player to choose for how Ryder got the scar/scars. I do. What if you wanted a certain backstory regarding it yet that isn't available in the few options they give you? Just have one of the options be for Ryder doesn't want to talk about it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2016 11:11:39 GMT
I do. What if you wanted a certain backstory regarding it yet that isn't available in the few options they give you? Just have one of the options be for Ryder doesn't want to talk about it. And if they don't feel that way, like they don't mind talking about it? Thankfully Bioware will most likely never have character customization options be a discussion. It is a lot of resources for something very few people will even use and of those people it only would apply to a few. At most they'd have a single line of dialogue of someone reacting and that's it.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 18, 2016 11:17:46 GMT
Just have one of the options be for Ryder doesn't want to talk about it. And if they don't feel that way, like they don't mind talking about it? Thankfully Bioware will most likely never have character customization options be a discussion. It is a lot of resources for something very few people will even use and of those people it only would apply to a few. At most they'd have a single line of dialogue of someone reacting and that's it. Did you have a problem with the dialogue options that popped up when Cassandra asked your Inquisitor about her/his background?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2016 11:23:25 GMT
And if they don't feel that way, like they don't mind talking about it? Thankfully Bioware will most likely never have character customization options be a discussion. It is a lot of resources for something very few people will even use and of those people it only would apply to a few. At most they'd have a single line of dialogue of someone reacting and that's it. Did you have a problem with the dialogue options that popped up when Cassandra asked your Inquisitor about her/his background? Yes and no. I mean, the ones provided were nice and all but it was still limiting. And that's with a background where the general thing is set, unlike the character's appearance which has exponentially more variables.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 18, 2016 11:24:16 GMT
I look at that image and think, "Y'know what? She's beautiful anyway." I think it'd be awesome to have a female protagonist in a game who looks like that just because it's something we never see. But it'll probably never happen as long as so many people have such a narrow idea of what a female character "should" look like. Anyway. Didn't expect to go on and on about this. It's just one of those topics that kind of sets me off just a bit. I wouldn't agree that's she's beautiful anyway, she's very disfigured. In a setting like Mass Effect you'd also need a compelling reason why she wouldn't have had surgery to repair such severe scarring. If protagonist had that level of scarring you'd expect companions to bring it up as a subject, which makes it a problematic option.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2016 11:26:22 GMT
I look at that image and think, "Y'know what? She's beautiful anyway." I think it'd be awesome to have a female protagonist in a game who looks like that just because it's something we never see. But it'll probably never happen as long as so many people have such a narrow idea of what a female character "should" look like. Anyway. Didn't expect to go on and on about this. It's just one of those topics that kind of sets me off just a bit. I wouldn't agree that's she's beautiful anyway, she's very disfigured. In a setting like Mass Effect you'd also need a compelling reason why she wouldn't have had surgery to repair such severe scarring. If protagonist had that level of scarring you'd expect companions to bring it up as a subject, which makes it a problematic option. The reasoning can be whatever they want. They don't need a reason that meets your approval in order to choose to look the way they do. I would hope our companions are more respectful than that.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 18, 2016 11:40:00 GMT
I wouldn't agree that's she's beautiful anyway, she's very disfigured. In a setting like Mass Effect you'd also need a compelling reason why she wouldn't have had surgery to repair such severe scarring. If protagonist had that level of scarring you'd expect companions to bring it up as a subject, which makes it a problematic option. The reasoning can be whatever they want. They don't need a reason that meets your approval in order to choose to look the way they do. I would hope our companions are more respectful than that. They don't need my approval but they do need a reason that makes sense in the game universe. I wouldn't consider it at all disrespectful for them to ask the question. I'd actually consider it pretty bizarre and uncaring if they didn't ask after spending time on the same team.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 18, 2016 11:44:48 GMT
The reasoning can be whatever they want. They don't need a reason that meets your approval in order to choose to look the way they do. I would hope our companions are more respectful than that. They don't need my approval but they do need a reason that makes sense in the game universe. I wouldn't consider it at all disrespectful for them to ask the question. I'd actually consider it pretty bizarre and uncaring if they didn't ask after spending time on the same team. Like I said, the reasoning can be whatever they want. I don't see why there would be sudden limitations for why one wouldn't undergo the procedure. It would be more considerate and caring if they waited until the person with them was comfortable enough to bring it up themselves rather than the companions bringing it up for their own benefit.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 18, 2016 12:45:07 GMT
If Ryder is able to have scars, I like to hear how he/she got those scars if someone were to ask him/her about them. That's one thing that I was hoping for in DAI. Having the dialogue wheel pop up with an option to choose what dialogue I could pick to tell the character I'm talking with how I got the scars. I also wanted to ask Cassandra about her scar on her cheek. Considering how inexperienced Ryder is supposed to be, these scars should be from falling from a tree. You can get a variety of scars, subtle to very noticeable, from mundane accidents. Besides, the Mass Effect universe is not without non-mundane dangers just as ours are not and if they do not completely lay out Ryder's life prior to Andromeda then it is entirely possible for Ryder to have had unfortunate run-ins that left them scars like, say, from an batarian attack like the Skyllian Blitz (depending on their age).
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 18, 2016 12:53:01 GMT
Big Snip. Ryder's dangling ass-straps didn't make him look like a fashion genius, either. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Let's hope there is an in-game explanation for those annoying azz straps.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 18, 2016 12:53:23 GMT
They don't need my approval but they do need a reason that makes sense in the game universe. I wouldn't consider it at all disrespectful for them to ask the question. I'd actually consider it pretty bizarre and uncaring if they didn't ask after spending time on the same team. Like I said, the reasoning can be whatever they want. I don't see why there would be sudden limitations for why one wouldn't undergo the procedure. It would be more considerate and caring if they waited until the person with them was comfortable enough to bring it up themselves rather than the companions bringing it up for their own benefit. I'm not saying they can't come up with a compelling reason(religious/personal reminder etc) for wanting to be among few wanting to remain heavily disfigured. But in a setting where advanced restorative surgery would be the general response it would be perfectly pertinent to be interested in the reasons why they completely avoided it. I think the compassionate and caring would be to have enough interest in them to ask.
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Post by shechinah on Oct 18, 2016 13:08:29 GMT
The reasoning can be whatever they want. They don't need a reason that meets your approval in order to choose to look the way they do. I would hope our companions are more respectful than that. They don't need my approval but they do need a reason that makes sense in the game universe.I wouldn't consider it at all disrespectful for them to ask the question. I'd actually consider it pretty bizarre and uncaring if they didn't ask after spending time on the same team. I should note that I do not believe we know how much something like scar removal can cost in the Mass Effect universe or what the treatment entail. I imaging a procedure to remove scars such as hers or Zaeed would be intense including in recovery especially since it concerns the face and a significant portion at that. Some might might not be able to afford the treatment, not want to undergo the *recovery process. In the case of the woman above and Zaeed, I think we would also be talking about reconstructive surgery.
Shepard, Garrus and Zaeed are three examples of people who have scars although annoyingly, Shepard loses that feature later on. It is left for the player to headcanon why Shepard have their scars and how they came by these scars. We know how Zaeed came by his and that he kept them despite the money he had but I do not recall us ever learning exactly why he kept them thus we can only speculate the likely reasons. We know how Garrus came by his and in the last game of the trilogy, he still has them and they are still very noticeable despite having faded a bit. We don't know whether or not they'll disappear completely or if he can, why Garrus did not have them removed. It is possible it is tied to a cultural thing but I think it would have been mentioned and I cannot recall that it has.
There are plenty of reasons why someone might keep their scars. To name four: there's indifference about them, a sense of pride in them, a lack of interest in removing them due to cost or treatment and sentimentality about them.
Note: *a frequently unmentioned thing about surgery is that the recovery proess can be a living hell even for a routine operation because of what happens to your body as a result of the procedures. It's not just physiological effects, it's psychological ones as well and can be terrible ones at that that can take even over a month to recover from.
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Post by Sartoz on Oct 18, 2016 13:08:45 GMT
Considering how inexperienced Ryder is supposed to be, these scars should be from falling from a tree. You can get a variety of scars, subtle to very noticeable, from mundane accidents. Besides, the Mass Effect universe is not without non-mundane dangers just as ours are not and if they do not completely lay out Ryder's life prior to Andromeda then it is entirely possible for Ryder to have had unfortunate run-ins that left them scars like, say, from an batarian attack like the Skyllian Blitz (depending on their age). ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸ I understand how we can get scars. However, medical tech ought to be advanced by then to be able to remove them. Add to that DNA modeling techniques and human society (at least the rich) should have access to biosculp medical procedures. Let's not forget DNA designer children = removal of flawed genes at minimum = beautiful people in the general population.
What am I saying? Middle to upper class humans have physical advantages over the greater unwashed, which leads to interesting social structures, to say the least. Certainly the military branches would look at augmentation possibilities.
If Bio took these ideas along, Andromeda 2-3 should be interesting. Bio is pushing the social envelope, after all.
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Post by Element Zero on Oct 18, 2016 20:22:47 GMT
Horrific scarring like that in the above image would almost certainly be treated and minimized if it were acquired in the line of duty as military personnel. Hell, even a quality civilian outfit would try to patch you up better than that. There would need to be a good story behind something like that in the ME setting, as wright1978 and Sartoz have already addressed. I'm not saying that the option should be left out simply because I'd never use it. I do think scarring that extreme requires some elaborate head-canon as to why your PC is walking around with such scars in the 29C (give or take).
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Post by dalinne on Oct 18, 2016 20:50:37 GMT
Samantha Traynor couldn't be treated when she was a child with her allergies because her colony hadn't the equipment. So, her allergies developed as an adult. We know from Feros colonist that they had some sort of health problems (bigger than Samantha's) regarding of the Thorian creature. The cost of the treatments was so elevated they had to get in an arrangement with one health-company.
Zaeed has a crystal eye-ball, Mordin has a horn broken, Garrus and Wrex prefer to maintain their scars, Jack's scars are so distinguisable she decided to cover her whole body with tattoos, Almirant Hackett has half of his face broken for a big old scar.
So, which explanation would Ryder need in order to wear scars? Depending on when the game starts, her/his scars could be recent (Sovereign Attack, Reaper Invasion, some event in the past decades in ME timeline...)
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Post by crossngen on Oct 18, 2016 20:59:52 GMT
I can totally believe that somebody in the ME universe would want to keep his scar on to remind himself of a past event.
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