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Post by peebee on Dec 31, 2016 19:37:52 GMT
So, since she isn't "like other asaris" could it mean she can be only lesbian? Yeah Asari can reproduce with anyone but that doesn't mean they feel attracted for example, to hanars. Since she gives a shit about culture maybe she only cares about what she likes and not what she should like. That and the fact that it was said her relation ship Vetra will blossom, and not in a hostile way. Where did say it wasn't in a hostile way? From the Gameinformer interview the implications seemed ambiguous, at least to me. Peebee likes to do her own thing and Vetra can be a by the book turian so their personalities may clash, leading to conflict, and who knows what later, I'm not excluding they may get involved later even fighting in the beginning Also it was sad having Leliana super into me while I was dating Alister! I'm sorry Leliana you got here too late.
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Post by Two Faces on Dec 31, 2016 19:39:49 GMT
So, since she isn't "like other asaris" could it mean she can be only lesbian? Yeah Asari can reproduce with anyone but that doesn't mean they feel attracted for example, to hanars. Since she gives a shit about culture maybe she only cares about what she likes and not what she should like. That and the fact that it was said her relation ship Vetra will blossom, and not in a hostile way. Where did say it wasn't in a hostile way? From the Gameinformer interview the implications seemed ambiguous, at least to me. Peebee likes to do her own thing and Vetra can be a by the book turian so their personalities may clash, leading to conflict, and who knows what later, I'm not excluding they may get involved later even fighting in the beginning Also it was sad having Leliana super into me while I was dating Alister! I'm sorry Leliana you got here too late. Maybe I've heard wrong but the guy ask in the interview "Blossom in a hostile sort of way" And he is answered "No, play the game" Though maybe that "No" was a "Uh, play the game"
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Post by JayKay on Dec 31, 2016 20:01:14 GMT
So, since she isn't "like other asaris" could it mean she can be only lesbian? Yeah Asari can reproduce with anyone but that doesn't mean they feel attracted for example, to hanars. Since she gives a shit about culture maybe she only cares about what she likes and not what she should like. That and the fact that it was said her relation ship Vetra will blossom, and not in a hostile way. Where did say it wasn't in a hostile way? From the Gameinformer interview the implications seemed ambiguous, at least to me. Peebee likes to do her own thing and Vetra can be a by the book turian so their personalities may clash, leading to conflict, and who knows what later, I'm not excluding they may get involved later even fighting in the beginning Also it was sad having Leliana super into me while I was dating Alister! I'm sorry Leliana you got here too late. Yeah, that seems possible with PeeBee and Vetra have that kind of relationship, but that could also basically be seen as Aria/Nyreen 2.0.
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Post by peebee on Dec 31, 2016 23:27:37 GMT
Where did say it wasn't in a hostile way? From the Gameinformer interview the implications seemed ambiguous, at least to me. Peebee likes to do her own thing and Vetra can be a by the book turian so their personalities may clash, leading to conflict, and who knows what later, I'm not excluding they may get involved later even fighting in the beginning Also it was sad having Leliana super into me while I was dating Alister! I'm sorry Leliana you got here too late. Yeah, that seems possible with PeeBee and Vetra have that kind of relationship, but that could also basically be seen as Aria/Nyreen 2.0. hmm I didn't play Omega yet, so I dont really know how it plays out, but they should make it different enough that is not so comparable.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 1, 2017 1:00:53 GMT
I'm hoping by a blossoming relationship they mean a friendship like say Aveline/Isabela rather than them hooking up.
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Post by johnnynocturne on Jan 1, 2017 1:03:15 GMT
I'm hoping by a blossoming relationship they mean a friendship like say Aveline/Isabela rather than them hooking up. That's what I'm hoping for too.
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Post by Two Faces on Jan 1, 2017 3:57:40 GMT
I'm hoping by a blossoming relationship they mean a friendship like say Aveline/Isabela rather than them hooking up. The problem is, why would they say that information then? The guy was asked how Vetra personality was, and the answer he got was about her relationship with Peebee, did they said anything about Isabela/Aveline when they were revealed? To be fair, announcing a friendship is pointless, why would we give a shit about how Vetra and Peebee have a time to drink tea together?
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Post by JayKay on Jan 1, 2017 4:37:27 GMT
Yeah, that seems possible with PeeBee and Vetra have that kind of relationship, but that could also basically be seen as Aria/Nyreen 2.0. hmm I didn't play Omega yet, so I dont really know how it plays out, but they should make it different enough that is not so comparable. You really should give it a shot--yes, it's probably the least important of the ME3 DLC, but it's still pretty fun.
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Post by JayKay on Jan 1, 2017 4:39:42 GMT
I'm hoping by a blossoming relationship they mean a friendship like say Aveline/Isabela rather than them hooking up. The problem is, why would they say that information then? The guy was asked how Vetra personality was, and the answer he got was about her relationship with Peebee, did they said anything about Isabela/Aveline when they were revealed? To be fair, announcing a friendship is pointless, why would we give a shit about how Vetra and Peebee have a time to drink tea together?That kind of puts you in the minority. I mean, one of the biggest selling points of Bioware games now ARE the characters, that's what makes them stand out from just about any developer out there.
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Post by Two Faces on Jan 1, 2017 5:01:19 GMT
The problem is, why would they say that information then? The guy was asked how Vetra personality was, and the answer he got was about her relationship with Peebee, did they said anything about Isabela/Aveline when they were revealed? To be fair, announcing a friendship is pointless, why would we give a shit about how Vetra and Peebee have a time to drink tea together?That kind of puts you in the minority. I mean, one of the biggest selling points of Bioware games now ARE the characters, that's what makes them stand out from just about any developer out there. But the characters are interesting on their own, and OUR relationship with them is what makes the Bioware games, does anyone really care about the friendship between Bull and Krem?
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Post by Saboru on Jan 1, 2017 5:54:03 GMT
That kind of puts you in the minority. I mean, one of the biggest selling points of Bioware games now ARE the characters, that's what makes them stand out from just about any developer out there. But the characters are interesting on their own, and OUR relationship with them is what makes the Bioware games, does anyone really care about the friendship between Bull and Krem? Well speaking for my own sample size of one, bloody right I do. Those are some of the best bits where our little NPC horde play off each other. Let's them deliver some background and personality a bit more naturally than it all coming from the twenty questions - the personal relationship edition routine, means we're not left with the odd situation of a team of people who never interact with each other, and it just plain mixes things up a bit. I'm in the middle of an ME2 game right now and fun as it is, by god at times it feels like 'And now I will talk to you, and now to you, oh you too. You know I'll just wander over to - oh bloody hell, there's another one of you in here, and you look like you want to talk. I know I'll just go check my mail...'Commander, Miranda would like to' - let me guess, talk to me. For crying out loud could some of you just talk to each other instead!'. Don't get me wrong, I want them to talk to me, but when that's how the overwhelming majority of character information is delivered it becomes monotone.
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Post by Two Faces on Jan 1, 2017 6:01:39 GMT
But the characters are interesting on their own, and OUR relationship with them is what makes the Bioware games, does anyone really care about the friendship between Bull and Krem? Well speaking for my own sample size of one, bloody right I do. Those are some of the best bits where our little NPC horde play off each other. Let's them deliver some background and personality a bit more naturally than it all coming from the twenty questions - the personal relationship edition routine, means we're not left with the odd situation of a team of people who never interact with each other, and it just plain mixes things up a bit. I'm in the middle of an ME2 game right now and fun as it is, by god at times it feels like 'And now I will talk to you, and now to you, oh you too. You know I'll just wander over to - oh bloody hell, there's another one of you in here, and you look like you want to talk. I know I'll just go check my mail...'Commander, Miranda would like to' - let me guess, talk to me. For crying out loud could some of you just talk to each other instead!'. Don't get me wrong, I want them to talk to me, but when that's how the overwhelming majority of character information is delivered it becomes monotone. You are talking about party banter, I am talking about the fact of an existing relationship like Tali x Garrus or Dorian x Iron Bull, they don't reveal nothing, they just show you that Tali is so fanatic with that movie that she wants her own Turian, and how much Dorian loves being dominated in bed.
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Post by Saboru on Jan 1, 2017 6:19:47 GMT
Well speaking for my own sample size of one, bloody right I do. Those are some of the best bits where our little NPC horde play off each other. Let's them deliver some background and personality a bit more naturally than it all coming from the twenty questions - the personal relationship edition routine, means we're not left with the odd situation of a team of people who never interact with each other, and it just plain mixes things up a bit. I'm in the middle of an ME2 game right now and fun as it is, by god at times it feels like 'And now I will talk to you, and now to you, oh you too. You know I'll just wander over to - oh bloody hell, there's another one of you in here, and you look like you want to talk. I know I'll just go check my mail...'Commander, Miranda would like to' - let me guess, talk to me. For crying out loud could some of you just talk to each other instead!'. Don't get me wrong, I want them to talk to me, but when that's how the overwhelming majority of character information is delivered it becomes monotone. You are talking about party banter, I am talking about the fact of an existing relationship like Tali x Garrus or Dorian x Iron Bull, they don't reveal nothing, they just show you that Tali is so fanatic with that movie that she wants her own Turian, and how much Dorian loves being dominated in bed. well I meant quite a bit more than party banter, but certainly that would be a component to demonstrating character relationships. I wasn't thinking exclusively of sexual or potentially sexual relationships either, although I can't think of any reason to specifically dodge them if you're going to have NPCs interact.
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Post by Two Faces on Jan 1, 2017 6:29:21 GMT
You are talking about party banter, I am talking about the fact of an existing relationship like Tali x Garrus or Dorian x Iron Bull, they don't reveal nothing, they just show you that Tali is so fanatic with that movie that she wants her own Turian, and how much Dorian loves being dominated in bed. well I meant quite a bit more than party banter, but certainly that would be a component to demonstrating character relationships. I wasn't thinking exclusively of sexual or potentially sexual relationships either, although I can't think of any reason to specifically dodge them if you're going to have NPCs interact. So you think watching Fenris and Anders at each others throat every time they were in the same room was... productive? I mean you already know their opinions, they are just making themselves repetitive, and their rivalry doesn't affect anything in the game. Yeah watching Miranda and Jack insulting each other for example in Citadel DLC was cute, but it was not vital, it made the game feel alive but is not something you mention as if it was important. Is like saying "Your BroRyder is a human and he needs to take a shit like a normal human", who cares?.
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Post by Saboru on Jan 1, 2017 6:38:22 GMT
well I meant quite a bit more than party banter, but certainly that would be a component to demonstrating character relationships. I wasn't thinking exclusively of sexual or potentially sexual relationships either, although I can't think of any reason to specifically dodge them if you're going to have NPCs interact. So you think watching Fenris and Anders at each others throat every time they were in the same room was... productive? I mean you already know their opinions, they are just making themselves repetitive, and their rivalry doesn't affect anything in the game. Yeah watching Miranda and Jack insulting each other for example in Citadel DLC was cute, but it was not vital, it made the game feel alive but is not something you mention as if it was important. Is like saying "Your BroRyder is a human and he needs to take a shit like a normal human", who cares?. Well Citadel DLC is a bit of a weird one to quote as the interaction between various characters was pretty much the whole point of the last part of that DLC, so having those sort of interactions was pretty vital. You might argue the DLC as a whole, or at least that final section shouldn't exist, but that's a whole other discussion. Anders and Fenris are an example where the interaction between characters is being used to echo one of the major themes of the game. The social level hostility to mages and reasons for it are being illustrated through a specific relationship between two party characters. Yes please, more of this.
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Post by Sifr on Jan 1, 2017 7:15:46 GMT
But the characters are interesting on their own, and OUR relationship with them is what makes the Bioware games, does anyone really care about the friendship between Bull and Krem? Friendships/relationships between companions and others characters are one of the main things I most enjoy about modern Bioware games, because it prevents the game feeling like the entire universe revolves around the main character and everyone else in that world exist solely to live at their beck and call. Having our supporting characters ave their own relationships and friendships makes them feel more genuine, as if they are real people who've got their own stuff going on and lives that operate completely independent of the main character. If you go back and play Origins and ME1, it's a little jarring when you realise that none of the companions really do seem to have a life outside of being a smorgasbord of possible romance options for the Warden to invite to their bed. If Origins had been made now, who doesn't suspect that an unromanced Leliana and Zevran probably would have ended up having a fling... rather than the only time they hook up being dependent on the Warden deciding to invite both of them to a foursome with Isabela?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jan 1, 2017 8:19:32 GMT
I'm hoping by a blossoming relationship they mean a friendship like say Aveline/Isabela rather than them hooking up. The problem is, why would they say that information then? The guy was asked how Vetra personality was, and the answer he got was about her relationship with Peebee, did they said anything about Isabela/Aveline when they were revealed? To be fair, announcing a friendship is pointless, why would we give a shit about how Vetra and Peebee have a time to drink tea together? Announcing a sexual/romantic relationship is just as pointless. Many people, like myself, don't care or like those but love the friendships between characters.
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Post by Lorn on Jan 1, 2017 12:21:00 GMT
The problem is, why would they say that information then? The guy was asked how Vetra personality was, and the answer he got was about her relationship with Peebee, did they said anything about Isabela/Aveline when they were revealed? To be fair, announcing a friendship is pointless, why would we give a shit about how Vetra and Peebee have a time to drink tea together?That kind of puts you in the minority. I mean, one of the biggest selling points of Bioware games now ARE the characters, that's what makes them stand out from just about any developer out there. Then maybe the characters should stop being simple caricatures.
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Post by Two Faces on Jan 1, 2017 14:18:53 GMT
The problem is, why would they say that information then? The guy was asked how Vetra personality was, and the answer he got was about her relationship with Peebee, did they said anything about Isabela/Aveline when they were revealed? To be fair, announcing a friendship is pointless, why would we give a shit about how Vetra and Peebee have a time to drink tea together? Announcing a sexual/romantic relationship is just as pointless. Many people, like myself, don't care or like those but love the friendships between characters. But the friendship provides nothing to the game, while romances can for example, change the ending of characters, like Sera x Dagna or Dorian x Iron Bull, romances are way more important than a simple friendship, friendship is common, everyone can have friendship, while true love or sex with a giant qunari are things that you only can find once in life. Some times 2. Is funny because is a videogame so is a bit hard to have real people.
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Post by Ianamus on Jan 1, 2017 14:53:16 GMT
Announcing a sexual/romantic relationship is just as pointless. Many people, like myself, don't care or like those but love the friendships between characters. But the friendship provides nothing to the game, while romances can for example, change the ending of characters, like Sera x Dagna or Dorian x Iron Bull, romances are way more important than a simple friendship, friendship is common, everyone can have friendship, while true love or sex with a giant qunari are things that you only can find once in life. Some times 2. That's not true. Wynne and Shale going off to try to find a way to restore her is an example of a close friendship changing the path of two characters post-game. And Cassandra and Varrics strenuous friendship after DA2 led to their partnership in Inquisition. In fact, I enjoyed their relationship far more than Dorian x Iron Bull, despite it being purely platonic. It also felt like that relationship had a lot more impact on each of them as characters than Bull and Dorians. Realistically close friendships should change character epilogues just as much as romance. It's just not something that has explored much before, particularly in the Mass Effect games.
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Post by fialka on Jan 1, 2017 17:00:55 GMT
But the friendship provides nothing to the game, while romances can for example, change the ending of characters, like Sera x Dagna or Dorian x Iron Bull, romances are way more important than a simple friendship, friendship is common, everyone can have friendship, while true love or sex with a giant qunari are things that you only can find once in life. Some times 2. That's not true. Wynne and Shale going off to try to find a way to restore her is an example of a close friendship changing the path of two characters post-game. And Cassandra and Varrics strenuous friendship after DA2 led to their partnership in Inquisition. In fact, I enjoyed their relationship far more than Dorian x Iron Bull, despite it being purely platonic. It also felt like that relationship had a lot more impact on each of them as characters than Bull and Dorians. Realistically close friendships should change character epilogues just as much as romance. It's just not something that has explored much before, particularly in the Mass Effect games. Agreed. Those little mini-romances between characters you only know about because of one overheard conversation really didn't have that much of an impact on me or the game or my enjoyment of it. I could take it or leave it. However, the friendships between and with our companions are a big part of why I enjoy Bioware games. Shale and Wynn going off to travel together. Isabela and Aveline going from mutual dislike to friendship despite being opposites in every way. Cass and Varric going from hostility to grudging respect. Cole and Solas. Cole with Cass or Iron Bull. Hell, Solas and Iron Bull have some of my favorite banter in the game as they go from arguing ideology to friendly chess games. Wynn 'adopting' Alistair. Fenris and Anders as enemies - yes, their arguing got tiresome, but it was a great way to illustrate that ideological conflict. So and so forth. We got a bit of this in Mass Effect with Jack and Miranda, or Tali and Legion, or Javik and Liara, and I loves Vega and Cortez's friendship. I'd love to see more of those friendships and rivalries in Mass Effect, and that little tidbit about Peebee and Vetra has got my hopes up that we will - I could care less if they wind up as lovers or not as long as that relationship is interesting. Also, the idea that romance is somehow more important than friendship in these games does not ring true to me at all. That moment when Morrigan called me her sister meant just as much to me as Alistair declaring his love. Miranda's friendship meant just as much to me as Garrus's romance. Getting Cass's angry drunk scene in Inquisition, only to end the game with her as my closest friend and ally, was just as memorable as my doomed romance with the fascinating Solas.
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Post by JayKay on Jan 1, 2017 17:47:48 GMT
Exactly, some of the best interactions I've seen in a Bioware game is in ME3 when we got stuff like James and Cortez giving each other shit in the shuttle bay, or Garrus and Joker swapping turian and human jokes in the cockpit.
As for the inter-companion romances--what I like about them is that it doesn't make them feel like we've thrown away content with them after we've finalized a romance with someone else, or like they're just interchangeable pieces. It makes things feel a little more real--in such tight quarters, people hook up, it's totally normal. And as someone who's interacted with all these characters in different ways, it's nice to see when they're happy--I mean, listen to Bull and Dorian bicker in Trespasser and try not to smile. Go ahead, try.
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Post by swagmaster97 on Jan 1, 2017 18:57:31 GMT
Soooo.... I hope Peebee (or Raccoon/Hamburglar Asari if you prefer) will be cool. Voice sounds nice, very fashionable, still not a fan of the tentacles though.
My biggest hope is that she is not as confrontational as Sera if/when I disagree with her.
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Post by JayKay on Jan 1, 2017 20:06:36 GMT
Soooo.... I hope Peebee (or Raccoon/Hamburglar Asari if you prefer) will be cool. Voice sounds nice, very fashionable, still not a fan of the tentacles though. My biggest hope is that she is not as confrontational as Sera if/when I disagree with her. I'm sure she will. I mean, Sera and PeeBee are going to be different characters, if only because of their age and their passions in life. I think people forget that she's one of if not the youngest person in the Inquisition (depending on how you count Cole), and like many young people, she has a way she sees the world, thinks her way is right, and works to try and change things. So when she goes into the Inquisition and finds out it's not remotely what she expected and has so much of her beliefs challenged, she freaks out in a lot of ways, and it's up to your Inquisitor whether they can accept it as part of her growing up, or tire of it and kick her out. Meanwhile, PeeBee is at least in her 200s, and while she's probably still considered younger in asari terms, but in human terms, it'll definitely give her an edge in that kind of arena. And there's also their jobs and passions in life. Sera is a prankster--not only that, a political one who strikes at rich pricks who's actions make the "little people" that serve them miserable. Deciding to go that way in her life kind of inherently shows an aura of being confrontational, set in her ways, and looking for a fight. But PeeBee is an explorer, a scientist--someone who's job calls for an open mind and to want to find out more about the world/galaxy around her. So basically, I think a lot of similarities are going to be superficial at best. It's possible there might be moments where you end up being confrontational with PeeBee (just because of her job doesn't mean she's immune to bias or hubris), but it will be for different reasons.
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Post by peebee on Jan 1, 2017 23:17:07 GMT
Soooo.... I hope Peebee (or Raccoon/Hamburglar Asari if you prefer) will be cool. Voice sounds nice, very fashionable, still not a fan of the tentacles though. My biggest hope is that she is not as confrontational as Sera if/when I disagree with her. I'm sure she will. I mean, Sera and PeeBee are going to be different characters, if only because of their age and their passions in life. I think people forget that she's one of if not the youngest person in the Inquisition (depending on how you count Cole), and like many young people, she has a way she sees the world, thinks her way is right, and works to try and change things. So when she goes into the Inquisition and finds out it's not remotely what she expected and has so much of her beliefs challenged, she freaks out in a lot of ways, and it's up to your Inquisitor whether they can accept it as part of her growing up, or tire of it and kick her out. Meanwhile, PeeBee is at least in her 200s, and while she's probably still considered younger in asari terms, but in human terms, it'll definitely give her an edge in that kind of arena. And there's also their jobs and passions in life. Sera is a prankster--not only that, a political one who strikes at rich pricks who's actions make the "little people" that serve them miserable. Deciding to go that way in her life kind of inherently shows an aura of being confrontational, set in her ways, and looking for a fight. But PeeBee is an explorer, a scientist--someone who's job calls for an open mind and to want to find out more about the world/galaxy around her. So basically, I think a lot of similarities are going to be superficial at best. It's possible there might be moments where you end up being confrontational with PeeBee (just because of her job doesn't mean she's immune to bias or hubris), but it will be for different reasons. This! Thank you for stating so clearly why Peebee will probably be different from Sera. And about the relationships between the characters... LMAO of course they are important, if it's only you doing everything and interacting with everyone the world feels dead, the more the characters talk to/about each other the better.
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