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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Mar 1, 2017 18:08:39 GMT
What do their motivations matter if the end result is the same? Peebee is happy where Sera is angry... What do I care when they're both expressed in the form of reckless impulsiveness? Especially when the lives of myself and my crew are at stake. Saying "Oh don't worry, at least I'm good-natured about it all" is no excuse. It isn't. As I pointed out in my previous post, the setup of Peebee's loyalty mission would never have happened with Sera. She is not motivated to explore old ruins in search of hidden secrets. Quite the opposite in fact. So yes, there is reckless impulsiveness in both cases, but it's not going to manifest in the same places for the same reasons, and if you want to understand the people in your squad and how best to use their strengths and mitigate their weaknesses, you'd better understand what makes them tick. The set up Sera's missions were all "Do this thing, see what happens!". The fact that those missions never meant exploring old ruins is completely irrelevant. It's like saying that they have different favorite colors makes them radically different people. A surface level detail. That reckless impulsiveness that they both clearly share is really the most damning thing, to me. It was never Sera's petulant attitude, I could deal with that. With Peebee she's traded petulance for "happy-go-lucky" but it's that reckless impulsiveness that matters most. I don't care what's driving it.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Mar 1, 2017 18:16:24 GMT
I enjoy recklessness and impulsivity.
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Post by Dragon slayer on Mar 1, 2017 18:35:35 GMT
I enjoy peebee in the video i thought she was rather cute 😏
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Mar 1, 2017 18:39:22 GMT
It isn't. As I pointed out in my previous post, the setup of Peebee's loyalty mission would never have happened with Sera. She is not motivated to explore old ruins in search of hidden secrets. Quite the opposite in fact. So yes, there is reckless impulsiveness in both cases, but it's not going to manifest in the same places for the same reasons, and if you want to understand the people in your squad and how best to use their strengths and mitigate their weaknesses, you'd better understand what makes them tick. The set up Sera's missions were all "Do this thing, see what happens!". The fact that those missions never meant exploring old ruins is completely irrelevant. It's like saying that they have different favorite colors makes them radically different people. A surface level detail. That reckless impulsiveness that they both clearly share is really the most damning thing, to me. It was never Sera's petulant attitude, I could deal with that. With Peebee she's traded petulance for "happy-go-lucky" but it's that reckless impulsiveness that matters most. I don't care what's driving it. Fair enough if you choose to say "they are too unpredictable, I'm never having them in my squad" but that to me is you focusing on "surface level detail". If you decide that they are of use, you need to understand what's going on beneath the surface. The fact that they will react totally differently when faced with the same situation is hardly the same level of importance as one of them liking blue and the other green, and understanding when the recklessness might emerge is key. With Sera it's mostly when she's frustrated by perceived abuses of power. With PeeBee it seems to be when she is tempted by the promise of a new experience or find.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 18:49:27 GMT
This is interesting, but spoilery: Peebee expresses curiosity about Jaal, wondering if the Asari ability to mate with all Milky Way species extended to the Andromeda natives. Not if my Ryder has anything to say about it But yeah I think it's possible for a hookup between them if you don't choose either of them but one or the other I would imagine would not go through with it if you chose them.
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Post by davkar on Mar 1, 2017 18:51:10 GMT
This is interesting, but spoilery: Peebee expresses curiosity about Jaal, wondering if the Asari ability to mate with all Milky Way species extended to the Andromeda natives. They really are willing to bang anything that moves. :srs: Nah, it doesn't necessarily mean the banging. I think it's just the regular asari melding thing. Stupid sexy Genestealers.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Mar 1, 2017 19:00:47 GMT
They really are willing to bang anything that moves. :srs: Nah, it doesn't necessarily mean the banging. I think it's just the regular asari melding thing. Stupid sexy Genestealers. Hmmmm...
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Post by rolandx on Mar 1, 2017 19:11:29 GMT
Yes, the similarity is that they are both impulsive and will do dangerous things without asking for permission, but from what we've seen their impulses have entirely different motivations. The resemblances are skin-deep. What do their motivations matter if the end result is the same? Peebee is happy where Sera is angry... What do I care when they're both expressed in the form of reckless impulsiveness? Especially when the lives of myself and my crew are at stake. Saying "Oh don't worry, at least I'm good-natured about it all" is no excuse. Ignoring for the moment that they cut a lot of story stuff from the IGN video to minimize spoilers...
Sera would willingly, knowingly endanger teammates. She didn't effing care. It seems clear from context that PeeBee had no idea a) just how dangerous the site would be by itself, and that her Belloc would be there with a small army, trying to kill her and her friends. Sure, she bears some responsibility, but seriously, shouldn't someone on the Tempest *cough*security*cough* be doing bug-sweeps on a regular basis that far into the story?
Maybe PeeBee would have manipulated the team into going anyway. I don't know, and I'm willing to accept the possibility that I'm not going to like her (I really, really wanted to like Sera, but...didn't). However, this PeeBee = Sera thing is way too premature.
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Post by ladiesman777 on Mar 1, 2017 19:32:56 GMT
I just had a thought. Since Peebee lives in an escape pod would everyone here be okay with the idea of Ryder having sex with her in it? They could be passionatly making out when someones back hits the launch button and they get launced into space. The Tempest would then have to pick them up and they could be all emberassed about it. Or should it be kept in the captains cabin?
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Mar 1, 2017 19:33:59 GMT
What do their motivations matter if the end result is the same? Peebee is happy where Sera is angry... What do I care when they're both expressed in the form of reckless impulsiveness? Especially when the lives of myself and my crew are at stake. Saying "Oh don't worry, at least I'm good-natured about it all" is no excuse. Ignoring for the moment that they cut a lot of story stuff from the IGN video to minimize spoilers...
Sera would willingly, knowingly endanger teammates. She didn't effing care. It seems clear from context that PeeBee had no idea a) just how dangerous the site would be by itself, and that her Belloc would be there with a small army, trying to kill her and her friends. Sure, she bears some responsibility, but seriously, shouldn't someone on the Tempest *cough*security*cough* be doing bug-sweeps on a regular basis that far into the story?
Maybe PeeBee would have manipulated the team into going anyway. I don't know, and I'm willing to accept the possibility that I'm not going to like her (I really, really wanted to like Sera, but...didn't). However, this PeeBee = Sera thing is way too premature.
If you didn't catch it Peebee says she knows the Tempest can't land on the planet. Leaving no way to retrieve the team. The Tempest has no shuttles, and Nomad has no flight/launch capabilities. Which is why she uses an escape pod to get them to the surface. She knowingly strands the team on the surface, because retrieving the Remnant tech out weighs all other concerns for her. It isn't the danger from the group that shows up that I have issue with. It is the possibility of stranding everyone until the Tempest can call in a smaller landing craft, and the crash landing of the escape pod. The raiders that show up bail Peebee out in a sense because Ryder and company can now steal their shuttle to get off the planet's surface.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 1, 2017 19:56:26 GMT
I just had a thought. Since Peebee lives in an escape pod would everyone here be okay with the idea of Ryder having sex with her in it? They could be passionatly making out when someones back hits the launch button and they get launced into space. The Tempest would then have to pick them up and they could be all emberassed about it. Or should it be kept in the captains cabin? Sounds cramped and uncomfortable. The Pathfinder's Cabin is massive. I swear it must take up half the space of the Tempest. Knowing Peebee, she's probably just as wild as Cora, if not more. Probably need all the space you can get!
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Post by Duke Cameron on Mar 1, 2017 22:03:04 GMT
I just had a thought. Since Peebee lives in an escape pod would everyone here be okay with the idea of Ryder having sex with her in it? They could be passionatly making out when someones back hits the launch button and they get launced into space. The Tempest would then have to pick them up and they could be all emberassed about it. Or should it be kept in the captains cabin? Can they use the pod launching as a metaphor for reaching orgasam?
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Post by davkar on Mar 1, 2017 22:12:21 GMT
Nah, it doesn't necessarily mean the banging. I think it's just the regular asari melding thing. Stupid sexy Genestealers. Hmmmm... I half expected an actual Genestealer in a g-string and with a wink because the internet is a weird place.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Mar 1, 2017 22:25:21 GMT
Hmmmm... I half expected an actual Genestealer in a g-string and with a wink because the internet is a weird place. Rule 34 holds that since you have imagined such a thing, it must exist somewhere. I'm not looking for it though.
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Post by davkar on Mar 1, 2017 22:29:55 GMT
I half expected an actual Genestealer in a g-string and with a wink because the internet is a weird place. Rule 34 holds that since you have imagined such a thing, it must exist somewhere. I'm not looking for it though. Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. I thought about it as a joke but I just don't dare. Curiosity kills the cat, pollutes the browser history and blinds the user.
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SomebodyOfNobody @of_somebody Will Ryder having a short lifespan compared to Peebee's species be addressed by Peebee as we interact with her?
Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Not that I recall, no.
Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Or....maybe? Sheesh, can't remember. Lots of dialogue in this game.
I hope it does. The tempest crew is mostly short lived species and she's said to eventually grow on the crew and you can romance her. I'm hoping like Liara she will give her views on that. I can imagine PB being even more distant after the death of Ryder and the others that she grows close to on the tempest.
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Post by areskeith on Mar 2, 2017 1:43:24 GMT
I think it is Peebee only because of the facial markings and for the fact she seems to be on top of who likely is Ryder. It may have been a really early version of her character before she went through serious revisions. We've also heard the asari ark is apparently destroyed before the Hyperion even gets to Andromeda, so I'm willing to bet the asari Pathfinder is probably dead. where was that said?
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 2, 2017 1:49:21 GMT
SomebodyOfNobody @of_somebody Will Ryder having a short lifespan compared to Peebee's species be addressed by Peebee as we interact with her? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Not that I recall, no. Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Or....maybe? Sheesh, can't remember. Lots of dialogue in this game. I hope it does. The tempest crew is mostly short lived species and she's said to eventually grow on the crew and you can romance her. I'm hoping like Liara she will give her views on that. I can imagine PB being even more distant after the death of Ryder and the others that she grows close to on the tempest. In this case, I don't mind if this isn't addressed as Liara talked about it in Mass Effect 1? Peebee doesn't seem like the type that will dwell on the negative anyway as was the case with Liara very often. Peebee comes across as the type that lives in the moment and will tackle and issue head on when it becomes a problem. I think it is Peebee only because of the facial markings and for the fact she seems to be on top of who likely is Ryder. It may have been a really early version of her character before she went through serious revisions. We've also heard the asari ark is apparently destroyed before the Hyperion even gets to Andromeda, so I'm willing to bet the asari Pathfinder is probably dead. where was that said? It wasn't "destroyed." Rather, the asari ark, along with the others, goes missing. GI has an article (I think it's 21 random facts about MEA) where they talked about how we will find asari escape pods around the Helius Cluster and it will be a subplot to find out what happened to the asari ark.
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Post by JayKay on Mar 2, 2017 1:50:23 GMT
I just had a thought. Since Peebee lives in an escape pod would everyone here be okay with the idea of Ryder having sex with her in it? They could be passionatly making out when someones back hits the launch button and they get launced into space. The Tempest would then have to pick them up and they could be all emberassed about it. Or should it be kept in the captains cabin? Well, the escape pod we see in the footage is fairly spacious -- it looks similar to the one we see in the opening of ME2 or in Omega, where a couple of dozen people can fit in there. But, let's say it's not that, but some other cramped area like, say, the Nomad -- hell yes. First off, it would be a waste not to, and second, while yes, it would be uncomfortable as well, that doesn't matter too much for a quickie. No reason to have some fun in the Nomad and watch people being confused as they see it rocking back and forth and then have a more extended, through session in the Pathfinder's cabin later. SomebodyOfNobody @of_somebody Will Ryder having a short lifespan compared to Peebee's species be addressed by Peebee as we interact with her? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Not that I recall, no. Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Or....maybe? Sheesh, can't remember. Lots of dialogue in this game. I hope it does. The tempest crew is mostly short lived species and she's said to eventually grow on the crew and you can romance her. I'm hoping like Liara she will give her views on that. I can imagine PB being even more distant after the death of Ryder and the others that she grows close to on the tempest. I can definitely see that being something she slips out when she fully trusts Ryder and the rest of the crew, because she has, what, around 150, 200 years left with each of them before their gone? What happens then? Does she just then find new people and then watch them die too? Just repeat that over and over, watching everyone she loves die, just because people tell her it's better for her? How is that better than living alone? At least then she won't know what the feeling is like. I could see that being sort of the breaking point of the rivalry between Peebee and Lexi, she can talk about what that was like for her and how she's learned to live with it. Plus, well, Peebee will still have her around, she'll promise, "Because someone has to be around to call out your bad decisions."
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SomebodyOfNobody @of_somebody Will Ryder having a short lifespan compared to Peebee's species be addressed by Peebee as we interact with her? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Not that I recall, no. Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Or....maybe? Sheesh, can't remember. Lots of dialogue in this game. I hope it does. The tempest crew is mostly short lived species and she's said to eventually grow on the crew and you can romance her. I'm hoping like Liara she will give her views on that. I can imagine PB being even more distant after the death of Ryder and the others that she grows close to on the tempest. In this case, I don't mind if this isn't addressed as Liara talked about it in Mass Effect 1? Peebee doesn't seem like the type that will dwell on the negative anyway as was the case with Liara very often. Peebee comes across as the type that lives in the moment and will tackle and issue head on when it becomes a problem. Eh, I don't expect it to take up a whole conversation or have her talk about it in a negative way, but the asari having a longer lifespan in comparison to the other species is a major aspect of their species. I'm sure PB has her own views on that sort of thing. I just wanted to know if it would be mentioned or talked about at all even if it's a side comment. Especially if you were to romance her I would imagine the subject would get brought up at some point.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 2, 2017 2:08:23 GMT
In this case, I don't mind if this isn't addressed as Liara talked about it in Mass Effect 1? Peebee doesn't seem like the type that will dwell on the negative anyway as was the case with Liara very often. Peebee comes across as the type that lives in the moment and will tackle and issue head on when it becomes a problem. Eh, I don't expect it to take up a whole conversation or have her talk about it in a negative way, but the asari having a longer lifespan in comparison to the other species is a major aspect of their species. I'm sure PB has her own views on that sort of thing. I just wanted to know if it would be mentioned or talked about at all even if it's a side comment. Especially if you were to romance her I would imagine the subject would get brought up at some point. It's possible. I was just stating this has been talked about before. I'd assume at some point most asari would just accept they'll likely outlive their bond mates. Unless Cerberus happens to make an infinite amount of evil clones of you, then in that case you could technically live forever. It may be brought up, but I'd rather learn about new lore instead of retreading dialogue we've already heard.
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Post by Psychedelic on Mar 2, 2017 2:10:31 GMT
On the lifespan issue... I don't think Peebee is the type who dwells on such things or thinks too much about the future in general. It's a bit hard to judge based on the little information we've got about her, but even if she is willing to enter a long term relationship, she would likely concentrate on the positve parts. If I remember correctly, something along these lines was even mentionend in the trilogy (the Asari/Salarian couple on Illium?). Maybe that is why quite a few Asari seem to be into Krogan, the only species they don't have this problem with.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 2, 2017 2:15:07 GMT
On the lifespan issue... I don't think Peebee is the type who dwells on such things or thinks too much about the future in general. It's a bit hard to judge based on the little information we've got about her, but even if she is willing to enter a long term relationship, she would likely concentrate on the positve parts. If I remember correctly, something along these lines was even mentionend in the trilogy (the Asari/Salarian couple on Illium?). Maybe that is why quite a few Asari seem to be into Krogan, the only species they don't have this problem with. Agreed. I'll be surprised if this subject comes up just because Peebee is so drastically different from Liara. The former doesn't come across as the long-term planning type and probably doesn't even want to think about committing to a long term relationship. The latter worried about everything and would calculate every possible worst case scenario. I just think because Peebee is so different, BioWare will likely take all of her dialogue a completely different direction than Liara.
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On the lifespan issue... I don't think Peebee is the type who dwells on such things or thinks too much about the future in general. It's a bit hard to judge based on the little information we've got about her, but even if she is willing to enter a long term relationship, she would likely concentrate on the positve parts. If I remember correctly, something along these lines was even mentionend in the trilogy (the Asari/Salarian couple on Illium?). Maybe that is why quite a few Asari seem to be into Krogan, the only species they don't have this problem with. Agreed. I'll be surprised if this subject comes up just because Peebee is so drastically different from Liara. The former doesn't come across as the long-term planning type and probably doesn't even want to think about committing to a long term relationship. The latter worried about everything and would calculate every possible worst case scenario. I just think because Peebee is so different, BioWare will likely take all of her dialogue a completely different direction than Liara. Again I'm not expecting a long conversation on this, but a side comment can be made on the lifespan issue that is true to her character. Like you two said, she might only look at the positive side and be mostly in the moment, but Ryder could bring it up or she could just make a jokey remark like "I'll figure it out later, don't worry about me" wouldn't be straying too far away from her character right?
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
Pax_Augusta
Heero the pilot
Pax_Augusta01
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 2, 2017 2:29:16 GMT
Agreed. I'll be surprised if this subject comes up just because Peebee is so drastically different from Liara. The former doesn't come across as the long-term planning type and probably doesn't even want to think about committing to a long term relationship. The latter worried about everything and would calculate every possible worst case scenario. I just think because Peebee is so different, BioWare will likely take all of her dialogue a completely different direction than Liara. Again I'm not expecting a long conversation on this, but a side comment can be made on the lifespan issue that is true to her character. Like you two said, she might only look at the positive side and be mostly in the moment, but Ryder could bring it up or she could just make a jokey remark like "I'll figure it out later, don't worry about me" wouldn't be straying too far away from her character right? I'm not stating it won't happen. I'll just be surprised if it does. Sure, Peebee may slip in a comment at some point. We already know romances are supposed to have far more depth in this game than previous BioWare games. I just wouldn't get my hopes up on something so particular, especially since it had been covered before. BioWare typically likes to focus on new issues, and I'm not sure worrying about her potential LI's lifespan will be at the front of Peebee's mind. Again, we'll only find out either on the 16th or 21st. I'm certainly going to be harassing my entire crew 24/7 to see if they have any new lines of dialogue!!!
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