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Post by phantomrachie on Apr 25, 2017 7:27:18 GMT
Alright, who actually let Kalinda live during Peebee's loyalty mission? If the answer is anyone I will be extremely disappointed. I did on my first playthrough, I won't this time. Originally I saved her because Peebee was so adamant about saving her and my casual/emotional Sara was all about respecting her crew's decisions. This Sara is more logical & I've been convinced by people on this thread that it is better to kill Kalinda so she is lava food.
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Post by izut on Apr 25, 2017 7:44:45 GMT
Not true. Benezia and Rana had clear eyebrow-only make-up/markings. Some others had what looked like eyebrows even though they were combined with other markings: Shiala, Aria, Tevos, many random NPCs. Okay, okay...I forgot the two out of how many Asari with eyebrow paint? And I don't count the "eyebrows but as part of other face paint." I was more commenting on the fact that there's a group of people who seem to think Peebee's eyebrows break lore in some egregious way. I just used Liara as an example, and wasn't specifying "every asari who had something painted over their eyes." Well, they wanted to make her different from Liara, but still quite similar. So they did
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Post by izut on Apr 25, 2017 7:46:43 GMT
Alright, who actually let Kalinda live during Peebee's loyalty mission? If the answer is anyone I will be extremely disappointed. I did on my first playthrough, I won't this time. Originally I saved her because Peebee was so adamant about saving her and my casual/emotional Sara was all about respecting her crew's decisions. This Sara is more logical & I've been convinced by people on this thread that it is better to kill Kalinda so she is lava food. Welcome aboard of killing the bitch cruiser
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Post by elanor on Apr 25, 2017 16:18:15 GMT
Alright, who actually let Kalinda live during Peebee's loyalty mission? If the answer is anyone I will be extremely disappointed. I did on my first playthrough, I won't this time. Originally I saved her because Peebee was so adamant about saving her and my casual/emotional Sara was all about respecting her crew's decisions. This Sara is more logical & I've been convinced by people on this thread that it is better to kill Kalinda so she is lava food. Why is it better to kill Kalinda?
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Post by izut on Apr 25, 2017 17:17:28 GMT
I did on my first playthrough, I won't this time. Originally I saved her because Peebee was so adamant about saving her and my casual/emotional Sara was all about respecting her crew's decisions. This Sara is more logical & I've been convinced by people on this thread that it is better to kill Kalinda so she is lava food. Why is it better to kill Kalinda? Because she's an abusive bitch who just tried to kill PB and us. She also hurt PB, badly, to the point where PB end up with heavy trust issues. She was using her for who knows how long and when PB stopped being useful, she threw her out like a piece of trash. You can be sure she's going to use PB's good heart again, not to mention her connection to the Pathfinder if you let her live.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Apr 25, 2017 18:29:45 GMT
Why is it better to kill Kalinda? Because she's an abusive bitch who just tried to kill PB and us. She also hurt PB, badly, to the point where PB end up with heavy trust issues. She was using her for who knows how long and when PB stopped being useful, she threw her out like a piece of trash. You can be sure she's going to use PB's good heart again, not to mention her connection to the Pathfinder if you let her live. So using someone and hurting them emotionally is grounds enough to murder them? I would never want to be on your bad side. Kalinda should be arrested and face some type of charges, but sadly we don't have the option. Peebee is now wise to Kalinda, and Peebee is the offended party not Ryder. Peebee makes the choice to save Kalinda and then Ryder takes that choice from her. If anything it should make Peebee and anyone else wary of Ryder, since he/she is capable to murdering someone when they are at their most vulnerable. When you have the opportunity to shoot Kalinda it isn't in self defense or defense of another, it is out right murder. And as I said before in this thread firing a weapon anywhere close to a friendly when there is no threat to their life is just stupid.
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Post by mikaelnovasun on Apr 25, 2017 18:30:29 GMT
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Post by masseffectfanforlife on Apr 25, 2017 18:34:21 GMT
Why is it better to kill Kalinda? Because she's an abusive bitch who just tried to kill PB and us. She also hurt PB, badly, to the point where PB end up with heavy trust issues. She was using her for who knows how long and when PB stopped being useful, she threw her out like a piece of trash. You can be sure she's going to use PB's good heart again, not to mention her connection to the Pathfinder if you let her live. But...shooting Kalinda while her back is facing your Ryder is considered shooting in cold blood, right?
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Post by izut on Apr 25, 2017 18:37:39 GMT
Because she's an abusive bitch who just tried to kill PB and us. She also hurt PB, badly, to the point where PB end up with heavy trust issues. She was using her for who knows how long and when PB stopped being useful, she threw her out like a piece of trash. You can be sure she's going to use PB's good heart again, not to mention her connection to the Pathfinder if you let her live. So using someone and hurting them emotionally is grounds enough to murder them? I would never want to be on your bad side. Kalinda should be arrested and face some type of charges, but sadly we don't have the option. Peebee is now wise to Kalinda, and Peebee is the offended party not Ryder. Peebee makes the choice to save Kalinda and then Ryder takes that choice from her. If anything it should make Peebee and anyone else wary of Ryder, since he/she is capable to murdering someone when they are at their most vulnerable. When you have the opportunity to shoot Kalinda it isn't in self defense or defense of another, it is out right murder. And as I said before in this thread firing a weapon anywhere close to a friendly when there is no threat to their life is just stupid. She JUST TRIED TO KILL US! She sent like 100 bad guys against us, ordered them to kill all of us, isn't it enough?
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Post by izut on Apr 25, 2017 18:40:09 GMT
Because she's an abusive bitch who just tried to kill PB and us. She also hurt PB, badly, to the point where PB end up with heavy trust issues. She was using her for who knows how long and when PB stopped being useful, she threw her out like a piece of trash. You can be sure she's going to use PB's good heart again, not to mention her connection to the Pathfinder if you let her live. But...shooting Kalinda while her back is facing your Ryder is considered shooting in cold blood, right? Her ordering ~100 guys to kill us is fine then? Like I said before, I killed her which idea of - what if she take PB's hand and pull on her to throw her into that lava? She's an Asari, a biotic, she can kill my waifu, save her own ass and leave me PB-less. Especially since she just tried to kill all of us, using plenty of guys.
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Post by Schmooples on Apr 25, 2017 18:41:18 GMT
All I can say to the Kalinda thing is...
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Post by elanor on Apr 25, 2017 18:59:58 GMT
Why is it better to kill Kalinda? Because she's an abusive bitch who just tried to kill PB and us. She also hurt PB, badly, to the point where PB end up with heavy trust issues. She was using her for who knows how long and when PB stopped being useful, she threw her out like a piece of trash. You can be sure she's going to use PB's good heart again, not to mention her connection to the Pathfinder if you let her live. I would totally kill her in fair fight but with her hanging like that it's just wrong. Also Peebee clearly don't want her dead.
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Post by izut on Apr 25, 2017 19:02:34 GMT
Besides, if killing Kalinda is so wrong then killing that kett lady in the facility if we chose to save Angara is even worse because we agreed to let HER keep it and yet, we're killing her. F*k logic? Enemy is an enemy. Kalinda happened to become an enemy the moment she ordered her guys to kill us and a person who most likely loved her deeply. She's a sociopath.
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Post by izut on Apr 25, 2017 19:06:14 GMT
Because she's an abusive bitch who just tried to kill PB and us. She also hurt PB, badly, to the point where PB end up with heavy trust issues. She was using her for who knows how long and when PB stopped being useful, she threw her out like a piece of trash. You can be sure she's going to use PB's good heart again, not to mention her connection to the Pathfinder if you let her live. I would totally kill her in fair fight but with her hanging like that it's just wrong. Also Peebee clearly don't want her dead. I'd call it a stockholm syndrome. And a good heart. We're killing the enemy all the time. The only difference with Kalinda is that she has a past with PB and PB clearly loved her. If this was a kett, would you save him? Also - do you think she'd save PB if the roles were reversed? Because I can bet she'd take the rem-tech and leave.
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Post by elanor on Apr 25, 2017 19:09:31 GMT
But...shooting Kalinda while her back is facing your Ryder is considered shooting in cold blood, right? Her ordering ~100 guys to kill us is fine then? Like I said before, I killed her which idea of - what if she take PB's hand and pull on her to throw her into that lava? She's an Asari, a biotic, she can kill my waifu, save her own ass and leave me PB-less. Especially since she just tried to kill all of us, using plenty of guys. I never thought of it somehow. She was really afraid in that moment. BTW I noticed that every romanceable female character is now waifu. When did it happen?
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Post by elanor on Apr 25, 2017 19:17:42 GMT
I would totally kill her in fair fight but with her hanging like that it's just wrong. Also Peebee clearly don't want her dead. I'd call it a stockholm syndrome. And a good heart. We're killing the enemy all the time. The only difference with Kalinda is that she has a past with PB and PB clearly loved. If this was a kett, would you save him? Also - do you think she'd save PB if the roles were reversed? Because I can bet she'd take the rem-tech and leave.We should be better then that. Kalinda seems to be changed after all this. If she atack me again I will totally kill her. I give her one chance. Kett lady (actually I shoot her ) is crazy brainwashed and if we don't kill her she will keep killing people. Probably someone else will take her place but still it will give us some time.
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Post by izut on Apr 25, 2017 19:36:35 GMT
I'd call it a stockholm syndrome. And a good heart. We're killing the enemy all the time. The only difference with Kalinda is that she has a past with PB and PB clearly loved. If this was a kett, would you save him? Also - do you think she'd save PB if the roles were reversed? Because I can bet she'd take the rem-tech and leave.We should be better then that. Kalinda seems to be changed after all this. If she atack me again I will totally kill her. I give her one chance. Kett lady (actually I shoot her ) is crazy brainwashed and if we don't kill her she will keep killing people. Probably someone else will take her place but still it will give us some time. I gave Rana chance too, happened I was wrong. If I'm wrong this time by killing Kalinda, I'll change my choice. But I doubt they'll ever make anything good from her. Kett lady is crazy brainwashed who tried to kill us, Kalinda is an abusive bitch, a sociopath and tried to kill us as well Same thing to me
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Post by RhiannoN7 on Apr 25, 2017 23:46:58 GMT
After reading these comments I feel really bad I let Kalinda live in my first playthough...
Going to start a new playthrough SARA YOU HAVE ONE JOB...
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Post by antmarch456 on Apr 26, 2017 1:39:17 GMT
I let Kalinda live cause Peebee said she didn't want her dead, and my Cayde Ryder - who was romancing Peebee - decided to respect her wishes. Plus, it was well worth saving her, since you get to see Peebee punch her in the nose
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 26, 2017 3:29:56 GMT
My Ryder isn't hardened (yet) and wasn't going to Andromeda planning on becoming a Pathfinder or leader of any sort. In fact I got the impression from a lot of my dialogue with family that my Scott was the chill one of the family that didn't like taking charge.
Despite becoming Pathfinder, I still played them that way while slowly making decisions that are meant for the good of the people he has to help. But he's still young, still inexperienced, and still makes calls with his emotions more than logic and in the few cases when companions have an opinion on how they want things to go in their "loyalty" mission, he tends to let them make that call. In Peebee's case, saving Kalinda in that moment became more important than the Rem tech. Even if she had been trying to kill us, Peebee didn't want her dead at that moment, Kalinda was unarmed and not a threat and it didn't sit right to kill them. It could easily backfire and there's plenty of justification for her death, but currently my Ryder just isn't at that point in their life where they can shoot an unarmed person in a quick decision and be able to rationalize/justify it while ignoring other people's input or calculating their intent and whether or not to listen to them.
If it had been Shepard, Kalinda would be dead. Shepard is a battle hardened leader, has lost people, had dealt with the shittiest people in the galaxy, and is tasked with the hardest/most dangerous missions in the galaxy. They don't hesitate because they know people can die either in the moment or later down the road from a bad call. If someone has consistently proven to be a threat then you're justified in assuming they will continue to be as you have no reason to trust (except in that moment they want to live) There's tech that could prove valuable and save/improve lives and that is worth more than one killer...and a little bit on the renegade side: If it had been Liara that Kalinda had hurt...it would have been a little personal for Shep.
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Post by Maeljin on Apr 26, 2017 7:28:21 GMT
I'd call it a stockholm syndrome. And a good heart. We're killing the enemy all the time. The only difference with Kalinda is that she has a past with PB and PB clearly loved. If this was a kett, would you save him? Also - do you think she'd save PB if the roles were reversed? Because I can bet she'd take the rem-tech and leave.We should be better then that. Kalinda seems to be changed after all this. If she atack me again I will totally kill her. I give her one chance. Kett lady (actually I shoot her ) is crazy brainwashed and if we don't kill her she will keep killing people. Probably someone else will take her place but still it will give us some time. Peanut Butter had revealed her to be manipulative and abusive and she'd sent a lot of people to kill us and towards the end of the mission even casually offering triple take to anyone who killed us and then defiled our corpses by carving out our implants..... She's bloody rotten to the core. And then she'd happen to be pretty much only Asari who can't use their biotics to jump or at the very least use a jump-jet?? I was sure she was still trying to play us, so rather than risk it; she ate some lava.
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Post by Gilsa on Apr 26, 2017 7:43:45 GMT
I just completed Peebee's loyalty mission for the first time (it was bugged on my first playthrough and the patch didn't fix it). That was crazy fun. Kinda like Indiana Jones with all the ducking and weaving and exploding. My logical Ryder was mad, of course, but I thoroughly enjoyed the chaos.
Makes perfect sense to kill Kalinda. Cannot dispute this.
HOWEVER ...
My experience over the years with BioWare games in Dragon Age and Mass Effect has taught me that dead characters = lack of content. For example, no future cameos. No dialogue that mentions this person. No fun side quests. Just pffft. Nothing. Kill Kalinda now, that's the end of it. Kalinda lives, Peebee might mention her in passing in a future game. How much is that extra line worth? Roleplay vs metagaming at its finest. =p
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Post by phantomrachie on Apr 26, 2017 7:44:29 GMT
I did on my first playthrough, I won't this time. Originally I saved her because Peebee was so adamant about saving her and my casual/emotional Sara was all about respecting her crew's decisions. This Sara is more logical & I've been convinced by people on this thread that it is better to kill Kalinda so she is lava food. Why is it better to kill Kalinda? Honestly, it was the comparison to Marjolaine that finally convinced me that Peebee might not be thinking straight about wanting Kalinda to live. Leliana originally wants Marjolaine to live but the Warden can convince her otherwise. In this case, there is no time to convince Peebee so instead Ryder must make the decision for her. Eventhough Kalinda seems grateful when you save her and she is being helpful to Ryder and the AI, given her history I think as soon as she wants something from Peebee she'll go back to manipulating her. It's not like we'll really know util MEA2 anyway, best to have two saves, one with her dead and one with her alive, just to make sure.
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Post by Nightfury on Apr 26, 2017 8:14:23 GMT
On the whole Kalinda thing, I let her live every time. Why? I usually go with what my companions want. So if Peebee wants her to live, she gets to live. However, as for my personal opinion on letting her live, I refer you to my profile picture, as I can't really put it into words as to how I feel about letting her live.
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Post by wright1978 on Apr 26, 2017 9:54:48 GMT
I just completed Peebee's loyalty mission for the first time (it was bugged on my first playthrough and the patch didn't fix it). That was crazy fun. Kinda like Indiana Jones with all the ducking and weaving and exploding. My logical Ryder was mad, of course, but I thoroughly enjoyed the chaos. Makes perfect sense to kill Kalinda. Cannot dispute this. HOWEVER ... My experience over the years with BioWare games in Dragon Age and Mass Effect has taught me that dead characters = lack of content. For example, no future cameos. No dialogue that mentions this person. No fun side quests. Just pffft. Nothing. Kill Kalinda now, that's the end of it. Kalinda lives, Peebee might mention her in passing in a future game. How much is that extra line worth? Roleplay vs metagaming at its finest. =pWell letting Kalinda live might mean less content with POC in future as the temtech is needed in order to advance it.
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