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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 10:26:54 GMT
This has been covered on BSN before but oh look, they're nuking it, so let's go again.... What's your favourite way to tackle the DLCs in ME3? Leviathan is important lore-wise, Omega is a shooting gallery with badass companions, and Citadel is all the about the feels. With every other ME and DA game I like to mix it up, alternating when I start DLC campaigns, but with ME3 I have one specific method - I start doing Leviathan is little bits as soon as it's available, so that it seems realistic that Shep would be investigating things as he/she goes. But I like to keep the ending until after Rannoch to build up the tension, keeping Shep's knowledge of the Leviathans until just before the beginning of the end. Citadel DLC - I start this as soon as my LI is locked in and I have Tali onboard (your LI will come rescue you in the mission). For Liara that's straight after the Citadel coup, but I found for Ashley I had to wait until almost the end of the Geth/Quarian mission, waiting for her to get drunk so that I could finally lock in the romance. It seemed daft to just up and leave the war on Rannoch, so I finished that off and then did the Citadel mission that time round. I do the mission, then leave and keep popping back to the Strip to chat to ppl and do arena matches. I then leave the party until the very end, after Horizon but just before the Cerberus base. That way Miranda can attend too. Also you get an awesome pistol that I use for the rest of the game - another reason for me to do the main mission early on. Omega is, for me, after Horizon as well. It's a very Cerberus-y section of the game, so it seems to fit, and it extends the length of the third act. After spending so long away from my crew mates it's cool to get back from Omega and start the party on the Citadel. After 2 and half hours of intense combat it makes a nice change. EDIT - Oops, forgot From Ashes. Honestly that just depends on if I want to take Kaidan/Ash or Tali with me. If not then I'll do it early, if I do then I'll wait for them. So how do you guys tackle it?
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 5, 2016 10:39:12 GMT
Omega DLC after the Cerberus attempt.
Citadel DLC after the Reaper War was wrapped up. Yes, I used mods because this DLC does not belong where they planned it; in the middle of a galactic struggle.
Never bought Leviathan. Not planning to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 11:12:59 GMT
Omega DLC after the Cerberus attempt. Citadel DLC after the Reaper War was wrapped up. Yes, I used mods because this DLC does not belong where they planned it; in the middle of a galactic struggle. Never bought Leviathan. Not planning to. I've never tried Citadel after the main campaign. I guess I just find the end so dramatic and emotional (but let's not get into the ending, for the love of god no!) that I have to walk away and say that's that. End it there. I'm the same with ME2, the Suicide Mission is so damn epic I just turn off the game and I'm done. Going back to the Normandy seems like an anti-climax to me.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 5, 2016 11:20:06 GMT
from Ashes - right after the coup Leviathan - usually after Thessia Omega - between coup and Chronos Citadel - before Chronos
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 11:30:56 GMT
from Ashes - right after the coup Leviathan - usually after Thessia Omega - between coup and Chronos Citadel - before Chronos Oops, forgot From Ashes... Do you do Leviathan all in one swoop then?
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Post by themikefest on Aug 5, 2016 11:32:27 GMT
from Ashes - right after the coup Leviathan - usually after Thessia Omega - between coup and Chronos Citadel - before Chronos Oops, forgot From Ashes... Do you do Leviathan all in one swoop then? Nearly all my playthroughs I have.
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Post by fraggle on Aug 5, 2016 11:35:20 GMT
Omega - never (it's true Played it once and never again... might change it at some point) From Ashes - depends on whether I want to take the VS. If not, then as early as possible/on the way to Grissom Academy Leviathan - typically before Thessia, because it can't hurt to quickly go see what Bryson wants before going to the Councilor, right? Citadel - right before Cronos, always. Last chance for some fun
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 11:42:43 GMT
Omega - never (it's true Played it once and never again... might change it at some point) From Ashes - depends on whether I want to take the VS. If not, then as early as possible/on the way to Grissom Academy Leviathan - typically before Thessia, because it can't hurt to quickly go see what Bryson wants before going to the Councilor, right? Citadel - right before Cronos, always. Last chance for some fun Omega is a grind....but I'm doing it for the second time right now. It's good. I just wish you could go back to the Normandy half way thru, or bring some squaddies with you. Nyreen is awesome. Utterly missable though. Poor poor Thessia, how many Asari died whilst you're off finding scientists huh?
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Post by The Redhead Commander on Aug 5, 2016 11:43:25 GMT
From Ashes>Omega>Citadel>Leviathan
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Post by fraggle on Aug 5, 2016 11:46:35 GMT
Omega is a grind....but I'm doing it for the second time right now. It's good. I just wish you could go back to the Normandy half way thru, or bring some squaddies with you. Nyreen is awesome. Utterly missable though. Poor poor Thessia, how many Asari died whilst you're off finding scientists huh? Well I hate DLCs where I can't have my squaddies And I don't really like Aria Nyreen is a good character though.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 5, 2016 11:47:00 GMT
I forgot From Ashes too. I usually get it done right off the bat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 11:49:43 GMT
Omega is a grind....but I'm doing it for the second time right now. It's good. I just wish you could go back to the Normandy half way thru, or bring some squaddies with you. Nyreen is awesome. Utterly missable though. Poor poor Thessia, how many Asari died whilst you're off finding scientists huh? Well I hate DLCs where I can't have my squaddies And I don't really like Aria Nyreen is a good character though. So glad you said that! I'm not keen on Aria either, but I feel like I'll get lynched if I say it out loud.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 11:50:34 GMT
I forgot From Ashes too. I usually get it done right off the bat. I always forget it, probably cause it should be in the main game.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 5, 2016 11:53:37 GMT
Well I hate DLCs where I can't have my squaddies And I don't really like Aria Nyreen is a good character though. So glad you said that! I'm not keen on Aria either, but I feel like I'll get lynched if I say it out loud. Not hard. Here. Read this. I don't like her One of the biggest issues I have with the dlc is Aria, for some reason, is back on the Citadel after the dlc is completed.
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Post by BountyhunterGER on Aug 5, 2016 13:22:56 GMT
First: either Leviathan or Omega Second: the other of the two Third: Citadel dlc after finishing the main story and choosing destroy. My sheps deserve to "end" with all their companions, not with whatever the me3 ending was.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 13:31:09 GMT
So glad you said that! I'm not keen on Aria either, but I feel like I'll get lynched if I say it out loud. Not hard. Here. Read this. I don't like her One of the biggest issues I have with the dlc is Aria, for some reason, is back on the Citadel after the dlc is completed. I just thought I wasn't allowed to like her Mike, the internet has told me that she's the bestest ever Asari and I should bow at her feet.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Aug 5, 2016 13:48:45 GMT
Omega DLC after the Cerberus attempt. Citadel DLC after the Reaper War was wrapped up. Yes, I used mods because this DLC does not belong where they planned it; in the middle of a galactic struggle. Never bought Leviathan. Not planning to. I've never tried Citadel after the main campaign. I guess I just find the end so dramatic and emotional (but let's not get into the ending, for the love of god no!) that I have to walk away and say that's that. End it there. I'm the same with ME2, the Suicide Mission is so damn epic I just turn off the game and I'm done. Going back to the Normandy seems like an anti-climax to me. I don't think I got very emotional on the old board over the ending; I just said what I didn't like about it. Anyways, the mods removed the choices and just end the war, hence, the Citadel get together and party, I wouldn't have touched the game again if not for the mods. I find the main meat of the game "draggy" so the party was a relief. ME2 always ended positively so I always do LotSB after. I treat it like a bonus gift because it's a fav ME2 DLC.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 5, 2016 14:17:20 GMT
I'm the same with ME2, the Suicide Mission is so damn epic I just turn off the game and I'm done. Going back to the Normandy seems like an anti-climax to me. In the ME2 section, I just added a thread about the suicide mission
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Post by docsteely on Aug 5, 2016 14:23:20 GMT
From Ashes - right after the first visit to the Citadel - for the PPR Leviathan - begin after Surkesh finish after the coup Omega - before Horizon (imo Aria is boring) Citadel - begin after the coup (for the armor) finish after Horizon cause I like to have a full party... it's good to say bye to each and everyone
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2016 14:36:13 GMT
I've never tried Citadel after the main campaign. I guess I just find the end so dramatic and emotional (but let's not get into the ending, for the love of god no!) that I have to walk away and say that's that. End it there. I'm the same with ME2, the Suicide Mission is so damn epic I just turn off the game and I'm done. Going back to the Normandy seems like an anti-climax to me. I don't think I got very emotional on the old board over the ending; I just said what I didn't like about it. Anyways, the mods removed the choices and just end the war, hence, the Citadel get together and party, I wouldn't have touched the game again if not for the mods. I find the main meat of the game "draggy" so the party was a relief. ME2 always ended positively so I always do LotSB after. I treat it like a bonus gift because it's a fav ME2 DLC. I have a mod installed for the first time this run, so Shep will automatically hit destroy and that's that. Then fly off in the Normandy with the crew...I like that idea. Nice and simple. Ah I er....like to kill ppl in the SM. So it never ends positively.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 5, 2016 14:51:04 GMT
Ah I er....like to kill ppl in the SM. So it never ends positively. excellent
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Post by Chiantirose on Aug 5, 2016 15:28:18 GMT
From Ashes - After the Citadel Coup (I like having Kaidan with me)
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Citadel - After Sanctuary, so I have everyone
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Post by The Hype Himself on Aug 5, 2016 15:34:55 GMT
Mass Effect 3 is honestly a game where the DLC doesn't really fit into the story when you play it. There's a lot of urgency going on to do something else and go somewhere else. I do the DLC of course, but it feels awkward when you put it into the game.
From Ashes is the one mission that feels organic to the actual pacing and plot of the story. It's also one of the more optional ones, though the inclusion of Javik actually feels as though he should not have been left to DLC.
Omega is the next that feels like it fits into the game well, though the timing is kind of clunky. Which makes sense, considering that it was essentially left out of the game from the start, with development added as time went on. It's got the feel of something that should have been included in the vanilla version, while having the irritating traits of DLC (arbitrary unusable characters from the squad, lack of crossover effect into the game proper).
Leviathan is retroactively critical for the plot, which is funny since it was essentially made in response to the ending, and not having enough build-up to the Catalyst. It doesn't fit into the pacing of the game for complex reasons (IMO of course): The first reason is that both the game proper and the DLC have a sense of their own driven urgency. You can start the DLC at any point, though I think it works best after the Coup on the Citadel. Once you start it, the DLC has a sense of urgency to accomplish the mission, which is weird, as the climax of the DLC would work best after Thessia... in which case you're desperately tracing a lead to Cerberus, both during and immediately concluding the mission. It's a catch-22 in narrative construction: The game and the DLC are plot/lore wise very important for each other, but as far as fitting into each other without disrupting the flow of the narrative and growth of the story, they're like magnets that have dual polarity.
Citadel is a DLC that is nice as its own, but is just plain so disjointed from the rest of the game in tone, narrative connection, and style that I find it hard to really like it as much as I want to, especially the Party. I think that there should have been more connection to the game-proper, and the tone of at least the first part of the DLC should have had a more serious atmosphere. I know that this was something that several people complained about in the main game, but to just break away from an arguable race against time to build the Crucible and deploy it with the rapidly dwindling military power of the galaxy to go out and party or follow an idiot plot of a clone trying to perform identity theft and playing it for laughs is too unbelievable and disjointed. That's why I'm more critical of Citadel now than when it first came out. If I could have it my way, I would have made the clone plot more serious and more long-winded, giving it an actual threat (like say, performing terrorism or doing something that might actually really damage the war effort), taking itself more seriously as a story, and involving more ME2 characters (particularly Miranda, and that's not just favoritism here, but she would also have a lot of key information and involvement here.) I would have kept the strip of course as another hub on the Citadel, but I would have ditched the party for more individual interaction among the old crew and romances. As it is, I usually wait until after Rannoch to start the DLC (so that I can have the full team for the clone plot), and after Horizon so that I can have Miranda (my Shepard's Love Interest) involved in the rest of the DLC.
As it is, the game and the DLC's are too self-contained from each other to make much narrative sense.
Lastly, there is of course the Extended Cut. It works fine, but I think it could have done more to show the after-effects of the galaxy.
In the order I do the missions however, which is what I digressed on before:
1) From Ashes (after Mars/First Citadel Visit) 2) Start Leviathan (after Coup) 3) Omega (after starting Leviathan) 4) Start 1st Leviathan Mission (after Omega) 5) Start 2nd Leviathan Mission (after 1st) 6) Start Final Leviathan Mission (after 2nd) 7) Citadel Clone Plot (after Rannoch) 8) Citadel Party Plot (after Horizon) 9) Extended Cut
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Post by jukaga on Aug 5, 2016 18:17:32 GMT
I do From Ashes as soon as I'm off the Citadel, even before Menae. Then I do the N7 missions to clean up the map, then I do Omega. After Omega I finally start the 'phage arc. then I don't touch the DLC until I finish the Geth arc. Even then I'll do Thessia, then Leviathan. I'll then beat Horizon to get Miranda available and do the Citadel DLC and party. Then I either abandon the playthough or suck it up for the meeting with starboy.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 6, 2016 3:25:18 GMT
When they were released I played them day of.
After main playthrough and a re-do of the game, I changed it up, did bits and pieces of Leviathan here and there in-game, and Omega somewhere after the coup. Finally I did Citadel towards the tail-end, and most of the party stuff just before the final push.
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