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Post by Ahriman on Nov 29, 2016 16:08:28 GMT
Nah, Leviathan created the Catalyst to solve a problem in the galaxy which then created the Reapers to do it's work all in the Milky Way. No where else. Real answer is it doesn't matter it's all to escape the bad writing from the trilogy. Bioware decided for a fresh start in a new galaxy with as fewer ties to the main trilogy as possible. It was either that or rebooting the series lol While I agree that Andromeda is pretty much running away from the garbage fire that is the trilogy's story, sadly it isn't that simple. Both the Leviathans and the Catalyst confirm that the Reapers were created to preserve life at any cost. The galaxy has never been stated as a qualifier. And the harvests demonstrate what extremes the Reapers will go through to preserve their mandate. To preserve life in Leviathan's Empire, which was shown to be in Milky Way.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 29, 2016 16:10:20 GMT
While I agree that Andromeda is pretty much running away from the garbage fire that is the trilogy's story, sadly it isn't that simple. Both the Leviathans and the Catalyst confirm that the Reapers were created to preserve life at any cost. The galaxy has never been stated as a qualifier. And the harvests demonstrate what extremes the Reapers will go through to preserve their mandate. To preserve life in Leviathan's Empire, which was shown to be in Milky Way. Never stated. It was always "preserve life" Sure that might have been what the Leviathans intended, but the Leviathans never intended to get mulched either.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 29, 2016 16:22:45 GMT
To preserve life in Leviathan's Empire, which was shown to be in Milky Way. Never stated. It was always "preserve life" Sure that might have been what the Leviathans intended, but the Leviathans never intended to get mulched either. Leviathans had AI problem in their galaxy, not in Andromeda. Dealing with AI in entire Universe is impossible and setting the border in "x galaxies away" would be more artificial than limiting it to MW.
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Post by Iakus on Nov 29, 2016 16:29:33 GMT
Never stated. It was always "preserve life" Sure that might have been what the Leviathans intended, but the Leviathans never intended to get mulched either. Leviathans had AI problem in their galaxy, not in Andromeda. Dealing with AI in entire Universe is impossible and setting the border in "x galaxies away" would be more artificial than limiting it to MW. Again, that might have been the Leviathans' attention, but it was never stated. Not by the Leviathans, and not by the Reapers. And since the Leviathans also left out certain restrictions like "don't slaughter advanced life to keep them from building synthetics that would wipe them out" it only makes sense that the Reapers wouldn't take "restrict yourselves to the Milky Way" as an unspoken directive either. And while dealing with the entire universe may be impossible, the Reapers have proven themselves quite capable of building up their forces, and being very, very patient. I could totally see them spreading out at least to the local group, or however far they were physically capable of reaching, in order to "preserve" as much life as possible.
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Post by The Elder King on Nov 29, 2016 16:32:12 GMT
Again, I think what Iakus said was technically possible. Bioware chose to not go in that direction though.
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Post by hopeless on Nov 29, 2016 20:40:10 GMT
How close is the Andromeda Galaxy to ours?
Technically maybe they did send a ship here, the only problem isn't why they did it but how long ago it happened?
My point is what if they did and a descendant of a survivor or two have been planning a means to return home?
Would need quite a bit of help the kind that's hard to hide and as mentioned elsewhere a practical reason for a trip to the Andromeda Galaxy?
Discovering the remains of one of their ships, recoverable data revealing evidence of the Vaults a resource worth even more than the "Golden Planets" in the Helios Cluster?
BUT that information is far out of date so could one of the races we know about from Mass Effect is descended from one of those who embarked on the trip from the Andromeda Galaxy?
I recall another series where an alien ship arrived in orbit of Earth with a sizeable population of slaves governed by overseers most of who either died or disappeared into the population as they settled on Earth so maybe the same here and the majority of these people have no interest in returning BUT someone certainly does so who would you pick as descended from Andromeda?
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Post by Iakus on Nov 29, 2016 20:58:21 GMT
How close is the Andromeda Galaxy to ours? Technically maybe they did send a ship here, the only problem isn't why they did it but how long ago it happened? My point is what if they did and a descendant of a survivor or two have been planning a means to return home? Would need quite a bit of help the kind that's hard to hide and as mentioned elsewhere a practical reason for a trip to the Andromeda Galaxy? Discovering the remains of one of their ships, recoverable data revealing evidence of the Vaults a resource worth even more than the "Golden Planets" in the Helios Cluster? BUT that information is far out of date so could one of the races we know about from Mass Effect is descended from one of those who embarked on the trip from the Andromeda Galaxy? I recall another series where an alien ship arrived in orbit of Earth with a sizeable population of slaves governed by overseers most of who either died or disappeared into the population as they settled on Earth so maybe the same here and the majority of these people have no interest in returning BUT someone certainly does so who would you pick as descended from Andromeda? So THAT'S what Kumun Shol has been digging up on Klencory
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 29, 2016 21:36:05 GMT
So THAT'S what Kumun Shol has been digging up on Klencory I had always secretly hoped that our fight versus the Reapers would take us to Klencory. If we're going to use a MacGuffin, at least make us find it, right? Being told about "the prothean device" on Mars was a tremendous but expected let down, for me.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 29, 2016 22:22:35 GMT
So THAT'S what Kumun Shol has been digging up on Klencory I had always secretly hoped that our fight versus the Reapers would take us to Klencory. If we're going to use a MacGuffin, at least make us find it, right? Being told about "the prothean device" on Mars was a tremendous but expected let down, for me. I was hoping the fight would take Shepard to darkspace to the location where the reapers chill out for 50 000 years
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Post by ravenous on Nov 30, 2016 5:00:41 GMT
maybe the races of the Andromeda Galaxy started the travel to the milkyway galaxy but they detected with sensors, or saw through the windows giant space objects the reapers floating there or returning to Darkspace and got destroyed or if they didn't get destroyed, they decided to turn around and head back to the Andromeda Galaxy
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Post by MrR40 on Nov 30, 2016 6:10:34 GMT
It would have been no problem for the Reapers to get to Andromeda. Maybe the Reapers were annihilating civilizations in the entire Local Group. Vigil speculated that the Repears went into hibernation between cycles, but maybe they were busy in other galaxies during the years that they were missing from the Milky Way. ^ This. I always entertained the notion that the Reapers simply invaded other galaxies as an extension of their directive before returning to the Milky Way. Time is on their side anyways. Makes me wonder if the Protheans ever considered travelling to another galaxy as their empire pretty much spanned the entire Milky Way ? I would not be surprised if Bioware somehow put them in ME:A for whatever reason..
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Post by fchopin on Nov 30, 2016 6:41:21 GMT
Maybe they did. They came here while the reapers were harvesting and were fired upon. The ship was badly damaged that it crashed on whatever planet killing all onboard. The Andromeda Initiative found the remains of the ship. Studied it. Use what they could to come up with the idea to build ships that can travel to Andromeda. So not only are they going to Andromeda for exploration reasons, but to inform the next of kin what happened to the ship and those who died. hahaha Interesting idea, i would not be surprised if something similar is in MEA.
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Post by bshep on Nov 30, 2016 7:32:02 GMT
How close is the Andromeda Galaxy to ours?Technically maybe they did send a ship here, the only problem isn't why they did it but how long ago it happened? My point is what if they did and a descendant of a survivor or two have been planning a means to return home? Would need quite a bit of help the kind that's hard to hide and as mentioned elsewhere a practical reason for a trip to the Andromeda Galaxy? Discovering the remains of one of their ships, recoverable data revealing evidence of the Vaults a resource worth even more than the "Golden Planets" in the Helios Cluster? BUT that information is far out of date so could one of the races we know about from Mass Effect is descended from one of those who embarked on the trip from the Andromeda Galaxy? I recall another series where an alien ship arrived in orbit of Earth with a sizeable population of slaves governed by overseers most of who either died or disappeared into the population as they settled on Earth so maybe the same here and the majority of these people have no interest in returning BUT someone certainly does so who would you pick as descended from Andromeda? About 2.500.000 light years.
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Post by rapscallioness on Nov 30, 2016 7:33:11 GMT
There are more dangers to a civilization than Reapers. You can't assume that just because Andromeda may not have a Reaper infestation to deal with, that they've had the opportunity to culturally evolve.
A good, old fashioned meteor strike could send a civilization back to the stone age. War. Environmental changes. Or they just start to crumble under their own weight.
I'm assuming that the Remnants are probably more advanced than we are, but we don't know their story. Something horrific may have happened that has them terrified to leave their home base. Or some cultural taboo has taken shape over the eons.
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Post by rapscallioness on Nov 30, 2016 7:43:27 GMT
Although, there is that one image in one of the trailers - I believe the most recent one - that looks like a holographic representation of a Reaper to me. It's crude around the edges, but it looks like a Reaper to me. Maybe Leviathan. (from the GI analysis/break down of the recent trailer) So, idk.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 30, 2016 9:44:56 GMT
They sent someone, but they got reaped by der Reapers.
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Post by helios969 on Nov 30, 2016 11:29:13 GMT
To quote the last of the wise Protheans because they are primitives.
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Post by hammerstorm on Nov 30, 2016 13:27:38 GMT
There is a couple of different reason why they may not have visit MW. (Ingame reasons ofc.)
They may not have felt the resources are not worth the dangers/cost (As a couple of people here on BSN already have said about AI)
The races in Andromeda may have never got to the level of technology before they got wiped out. (MW-races only are this advanced because the reapers)
If the races did reach a high enough level of technology to travel to another galaxy, they may have picked a different galaxy.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 30, 2016 13:41:17 GMT
Maybe, maybe, or maybe. Maybe we should wait for the game itself come out if Bioware won't answer this question before that, because nobody else here will.
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Post by ravenous on Nov 30, 2016 13:52:23 GMT
Although, there is that one image in one of the trailers - I believe the most recent one - that looks like a holographic representation of a Reaper to me. It's crude around the edges, but it looks like a Reaper to me. Maybe Leviathan. (from the GI analysis/break down of the recent trailer) So, idk. I too seen that trailer and when I saw that imagine I paused at that imagine and I was like is that a reaper or a leviathan, but don't know will just have to wait till the game comes out and find out for ourselves
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Nov 30, 2016 17:41:01 GMT
Same reason Earth doesn't get visited by aliens... as a species, we're dumbasses.
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Post by Tarkus on Nov 30, 2016 18:19:20 GMT
The Andromeda inhabitants probably never had the tech to come to the Milky Way, they don't seem to have any Mass Effect technology like the relays. Heck, maybe they only had a recent jump in their technology thanks to some stray Reaper.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 18:34:41 GMT
Although, there is that one image in one of the trailers - I believe the most recent one - that looks like a holographic representation of a Reaper to me. It's crude around the edges, but it looks like a Reaper to me. Maybe Leviathan. (from the GI analysis/break down of the recent trailer) So, idk. All I can tell for now, is that this will be still ''true MAss Effect'' lol P.S. This does not look like Reaper to me, and they already said that there will be no Reapers in MEA.
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Post by geezer117 on Nov 30, 2016 19:38:35 GMT
The Leviathans created the reapers and created the catalyst to control them. The catalyst grew far more intelligent than its creators and destroyed them, not quite completely. So it must have been the catalyst that figured out how to create the relays.
In Andromeda, presumably, evolution did not take that path, and therefore organics and synthetics continued the path of conflict and destruction that the Leviathans attempted to control.
The catalyst would have had no reason to expand relays to any other galaxy, and the life forms in Andromeda would not have evolved a "catalyst" capable of creating relays.
So it's probable that the Andromeda races and synthetics had enough problems of their own and would have no interest in migration to the Milky Way. If they had done so, they would have brought their war with them, only to be destroyed in the next reaping.
It's logical that we should expect ME:A to include synthetics, and to include conflict between synthetics and organics. If not, then the whole premise of ME:3 would be violated.
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