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Post by jjdxb on Nov 30, 2016 19:57:32 GMT
There are more dangers to a civilization than Reapers. You can't assume that just because Andromeda may not have a Reaper infestation to deal with, that they've had the opportunity to culturally evolve. A good, old fashioned meteor strike could send a civilization back to the stone age. War. Environmental changes. Or they just start to crumble under their own weight. I'm assuming that the Remnants are probably more advanced than we are, but we don't know their story. Something horrific may have happened that has them terrified to leave their home base. Or some cultural taboo has taken shape over the eons. Yes, but the reapers have been cycling for at least 1 billion years. In that time, even if getting slammed by meteorites was a fairly common thing (and the number of the Milky Way species thus far says it doesn't have that much of an affect), there's plenty of space and plenty of opportunity for another civilisation to come up and take over. The reaper cycle is 50,000 years. In other words, half a dozen species in a smaller galaxy will achieve space flight every 50,000 years. Even meteor strikes (unless deliberate) shouldn't prevent the emergence of serious space flight in Andromeda. EDIT: I forgot about the deliberate role of the Reapers and old ruins in the development of FTL. Without them, the 50,000 figure is a little too quick.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 1, 2016 2:36:02 GMT
Perhaps the Remnant (or some precursor species) discovered the Reaper threat next door in the Milky Way, so decided to enact safeguards that would prevent any Andromedan species from leaving the galaxy.
Alternately, the Reapers may have tried to encroach on Andromeda but were successfully repelled, leading the Catalyst to decide to limit it's operations solely to the Milky Way, where it could better control the experiment it was trying to carry out.
Andromeda might have a situation where the younger species aren't allowed to advance that far because more advanced species swoop in and take their resources, wipe them out of subjugate them before they can properly advance. Sort of like the Goa'uld in Stargate SG-1, who ensured their dominance of the galaxy by enslaving most species and wiping out anyone who got too advanced to the point it might threaten them.
Those more advanced end up fighting each other for dominance or survival. This could limit development should they be wiped out by rivals before they can truly advance further. The more advanced species might suffer from technological stagnation from lack of necessity, since they don't have to worry about anyone challenging them. We've already seen an example of this in Mass Effect, where the Asari only ever data-mined enough information from the Prothean archive to keep them one step ahead of everyone else.
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Post by Princess Trejo on Dec 1, 2016 11:01:35 GMT
Maybe they did. They came here while the reapers were harvesting and were fired upon. The ship was badly damaged that it crashed on whatever planet killing all onboard. The Andromeda Initiative found the remains of the ship. Studied it. Use what they could to come up with the idea to build ships that can travel to Andromeda. So not only are they going to Andromeda for exploration reasons, but to inform the next of kin what happened to the ship and those who died. hahaha Isn't that the codex of the Derelict Reaper back in ME2, where we discovered our friend Legion?
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 1, 2016 12:11:33 GMT
Because Walters and Hudson did not **** their galaxy over...
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Post by themikefest on Dec 1, 2016 13:32:03 GMT
Isn't that the codex of the Derelict Reaper back in ME2, Did you look at the codex to see if it is?
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Post by AnDromedary on Dec 1, 2016 16:27:34 GMT
The OP is posing a very good question because here are the scenarios: - No reapers in Andromeda which means a) Synthetics wiped out all organics as the catalyst predicts, evolve ever further and should have invaded the milky way long ago Organics survive, the catalyst is wrong, in which case they should ahve evolved a lot as well and should have had the capability to visit us. - They did visit us and it was in a previous cycle/during a reaper invasion In this case, the catalyst should have realized how foolish his plan is because even if he stops synthetics in the MW, they will just eventually invade from the outside and due to the cycles effectively stopping evolution and development, we'd enver stand any chance against extragalactic invaders, no matter if organic or synthetic. - Despite the fact that they had billions of years to evolve and develop, not just 50.000 like the MW people, Andromedans never developed the tech to go the MW : This would need some dam good explanation since Eezo is a naturally occuring phenomenon, it should be in Andromeda as well and while we had a head start due to the reaper setup, it shouldn't take a genious to figure out the mass effect tech, once you get your hands on eezo. - Reapers or some kind of equivalent do exist in Andromeda Well, in that case, it's not enough that they are in Andromeda, they'd have to be in literally every galaxy or their setup is still completely flawed. This would mean that what we did in ME1-3 doesn't mean shit. - Andromedans did visit the MW in secret and they could do it because they are so highly advanced in terms of tech that they could even evade/fool the reapers/Leviathans. This is one of the better explanations IMO. Maybe the mystical Remanat did this. It could be a major plot point to explore in the game or some plot twist or something, but it's the only version that I can think of, that might make some sense.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Dec 1, 2016 21:07:13 GMT
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Dec 2, 2016 4:03:53 GMT
I wrote about this in another thread then realized that was the wrong thread to talk about it so I have truncated it and placed it here:
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE WALL OF TEXT I must forewarn this contains my PERSONAL take on the "true" backstory for the Reapers and how it plays into the Mass Effect: Andromeda story. NONE OF THIS BETTER BE CANNON:
I personally believe that the purpose of the A.I. to go to the Andromeda is actually a three fold plan:
The reason to go to the Andromeda Galaxy is not just to establish a "new home" for humanity but also to serve as a recon mission looking something specific (more later) as well as a beachhead for a possible alliance with the Milky Way races (granting they still exist).
What is that truth? That despite what was shown/told in ME3 that the Reapers are actually from the Andromeda galaxy (AND NO THEY ARE NOT THERE NOW). The Reapers fled to Milky Way after engaging in a war with another native race of the Andromeda galaxy. A war in which they lost completely -only those few who fled survived -those in the Andromeda Galaxy are dead. That ghost boy (he doesn't even deserve that credit) is a last "remnant" of the original AI programing that original fleeing reapers set up that not only turned them into shrimp beings(only credit they get) for these cycles but has by now so far degraded or fragmented -since the Reapers more likely than not have been at this cycle over millions of years (that many minds in one construct? who would not go insane?) that all of which the apparition has stated -while sounding intelligent is insane rhetoric.)
This also explains why the Reapers experiment on the young races of the Milky Way and why they implement Element Zero Technology (Sovereign said it himself 'our technology'). For the Reapers it is known can not use Element Zero themselves directly. So they experiment on the native races to get them able to use Eezo and thus Biotics and then once that is done they invade and convert them into more of their own kind in the fantasy hope that they can do this often enough and gain enough numbers to go back and combat the enemy that utterly nearly destroyed them.
Why would the Reapers flee an enemy so powerful and experiment on young races then convert them and add to their own number and then when sufficient numbers go back in revenge? Simple. In this war the Reapers enemies had one massive advantage. The Reaper enemy was so powerful not because they outnumbered the Reapers but this species/race/enemy of the Reapers could use biotics not only as organic beings but also in their buildings, ships and constructions. (Imagine a star ship powered by biotic interaction alone). Remember the Reapers can not do so and is one thing they been trying do with their experiments. Still In doubt? Look back to 2015 launch trailer in which that building ... unfolds...it sure looks like biotic energy.
Furthermore why do the Reapers stay in dark space relatively close to the Milky Way and not head to the Andromeda galaxy and invade it as well? Simply they are afraid of encountering their enemy before they are ready (a time that will never come due to their stagnation as a species).
Why do those Reapers we have encountered act like they have existed before our galaxy ever existed? Because they are not from our galaxy at all. It shows why they care little for our galaxy to them it is petri dish; it is not their home. Not to mention our galaxy is bit younger than the Andromeda.
NOW TO HOW this plays into Mass Effect Andromeda. I believe that ME:A is going to start with a discovery mission of somekind. The info gathered from that mission may not be told directly to the player character. We will know kinda what it deals with since most likely it will be the mission in which you control the Father Character. After which the knowledge gained is analyzed and the A.I. begins since those behind the discovery mission probably will made up of the rich elite who want to survive (they are businessmen and they being doomsayers want the option of fleeing should the Reapers prove to be true after all). This leads to Arks creation and the launch to the Andromeda. The 600 year time frame may actually have another reason: while in cryo any genetic modifications could manifest to full potential while the person does not age; where as if they were awake the whole time they would never live long enough to have access to full range of their genetic modifications. Something goes wrong... maybe that mass effect projectile that skimmed that world thousand and thousands years ago hits the ship and starts the revive process early. Whatever the cause and effect the mission may start as a mission to find humanity another home but the father disappears off on his mission in a search of the enemy of the Reapers and trying to make allies with them ... hopefully not making them into another enemy. Should the mission be successful then making an alliance with them against their enemy the Khet. And thus when encountering the enemy of the Reapers or the few native reaper environments we may hear that this at one time belonged to the reapers or a 'remnant' of what the Reapers did leave behind.
I may be a universe off the mark but at least it is an interesting idea. But again like I always say: To Each Their Own.
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