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Post by Hier0phant on Jan 19, 2018 0:54:17 GMT
Out of curiosity, did George ever supervise any of the old eu? I know he did for Clone Wars (though thats still canon). Was he a co-author or anything like that? As an author no but he hired Leland Chee as a supervisor for the EU, and created a canon tiered pyramid with the films superseding any lower tiered media that contradicted it. IIRC the story decisions that affected the film characters like Luke's marriage, birth of his son, and Chewbacca's death required his blessings, and permission respectively.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 19, 2018 1:11:22 GMT
Actually it is a testement to just how brilliant Disney is being from a creative and a business standpoint that they are really recannonizing a lot of stuff and cherry picking what works, and what does not. Works creatively too. Thrawn for instance and while they haven't officially done it yet they might as well have cannonized Reven as well. Considering their creativity is lacking, of course, they look to the superior Old EU!
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Post by Iakus on Jan 19, 2018 1:18:30 GMT
Out of curiosity, did George ever supervise any of the old eu? I know he did for Clone Wars (though thats still canon). Was he a co-author or anything like that? As an author no but he hired Leland Chee as a supervisor for the EU, and created a canon tiered pyramid with the films superseding any lower tiered media that contradicted it. IIRC the story decisions that affected the film characters like Luke's marriage, birth of his son, and Chewbacca's death required his blessings, and permission respectively. He also established certain other rules like not bringing back dead characters and limiting the time periods that could be covered
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Post by colfoley on Jan 19, 2018 1:26:41 GMT
Actually it is a testement to just how brilliant Disney is being from a creative and a business standpoint that they are really recannonizing a lot of stuff and cherry picking what works, and what does not. Works creatively too. Thrawn for instance and while they haven't officially done it yet they might as well have cannonized Reven as well. Considering their creativity is lacking, of course, they look to the superior Old EU! Meh. some is, some isn't.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 19, 2018 1:32:24 GMT
Actually it is a testement to just how brilliant Disney is being from a creative and a business standpoint that they are really recannonizing a lot of stuff and cherry picking what works, and what does not. Works creatively too. Thrawn for instance and while they haven't officially done it yet they might as well have cannonized Reven as well. Considering their creativity is lacking, of course, they look to the superior Old EU! Speaking of, I would love the aliens in this universe to play more of a role and actually be characters instead of just white noise and background filler. I would love if Thrawn showed up in 9 to fill that power vacuum that's left with Snoke and Phasma's death. I suppose Snoke could be an alien, but I don't think it's ever said. Of course Thrawn surviving all these years later is a bit of a stretch, but he does survive R1, so thats something. It annoys me that the cartoons have more freedom with this then live action does.
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Post by river82 on Jan 19, 2018 4:33:04 GMT
On the Han Solo movie, some people commenting on behind closed doors footage: The most interesting thing for Star Wars fans – especially those burned by Star Wars: The Last Jedi – is that the movie apparently has an “old Star Wars feel to it.” By old, I’m guessing he means more original Star Wars and less Phantom Menace which, lest we forget, is somehow nearing its 20th (!) anniversary. Flick also makes explicit reference to it being a “fan-service movie” for some of the older Star Wars fans. So far, so good.www.gamesradar.com/it-has-an-old-star-wars-feel-to-it-the-first-reaction-to-behind-closed-doors-han-solo-movie-footage-is-in/
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Post by colfoley on Jan 19, 2018 6:12:04 GMT
On the Han Solo movie, some people commenting on behind closed doors footage: The most interesting thing for Star Wars fans – especially those burned by Star Wars: The Last Jedi – is that the movie apparently has an “old Star Wars feel to it.” By old, I’m guessing he means more original Star Wars and less Phantom Menace which, lest we forget, is somehow nearing its 20th (!) anniversary. Flick also makes explicit reference to it being a “fan-service movie” for some of the older Star Wars fans. So far, so good.www.gamesradar.com/it-has-an-old-star-wars-feel-to-it-the-first-reaction-to-behind-closed-doors-han-solo-movie-footage-is-in/oh boy fanservice
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Jan 19, 2018 7:53:01 GMT
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Post by mannyray on Jan 19, 2018 8:01:53 GMT
Just quit throwing EU novels out there like they're the greatest works in SF of all time when they clearly aren't and diverging from them really didn't matter. Yeah, except you say stuff like this and name drop Herbert earlier and then go to dismiss them like anyone was seriously making that comparison. Strawman much? Shouldn't someone with that level of a huffy opinion about SF sneer at the mere mention of it and Star Wars in the same sentence? I'm gonna go ahead and conclude the novels aren't your cup of tea (which is fine), therefore this is pointless. For the rest of us, we'll take our superior to Mickey Wars in every way "sort of sci space-opera fantasy fiction thing" EU and just be over here. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings about your sacred tomes. You're the one throwing up ground beef and saying it's filet mignon. This isn't about "cup of tea" it's about overinflating mediocre work for hire moneygrab novels which at their best are kinda entertaining, convoluted stuff.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 19, 2018 8:14:15 GMT
You know if Rey is supposed to be a stand in for the audience, in general, then it also makes sense why she had such a negative reaction to Luke's 'fall from grace' and exactly what he did...because...you know...fans.
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Post by smilesja on Jan 19, 2018 8:51:26 GMT
On the Han Solo movie, some people commenting on behind closed doors footage: The most interesting thing for Star Wars fans – especially those burned by Star Wars: The Last Jedi – is that the movie apparently has an “old Star Wars feel to it.” By old, I’m guessing he means more original Star Wars and less Phantom Menace which, lest we forget, is somehow nearing its 20th (!) anniversary. Flick also makes explicit reference to it being a “fan-service movie” for some of the older Star Wars fans. So far, so good.www.gamesradar.com/it-has-an-old-star-wars-feel-to-it-the-first-reaction-to-behind-closed-doors-han-solo-movie-footage-is-in/Must forget the prequels!
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Post by smilesja on Jan 19, 2018 8:53:39 GMT
Yeah, except you say stuff like this and name drop Herbert earlier and then go to dismiss them like anyone was seriously making that comparison. Strawman much? Shouldn't someone with that level of a huffy opinion about SF sneer at the mere mention of it and Star Wars in the same sentence? I'm gonna go ahead and conclude the novels aren't your cup of tea (which is fine), therefore this is pointless. For the rest of us, we'll take our superior to Mickey Wars in every way "sort of sci space-opera fantasy fiction thing" EU and just be over here. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings about your sacred tomes. You're the one throwing up ground beef and saying it's filet mignon. This isn't about "cup of tea" it's about overinflating mediocre work for hire moneygrab novels which at their best are kinda entertaining, convoluted stuff. Yeah that's pretty much summarizes the NEU.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 19, 2018 8:58:44 GMT
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 19, 2018 13:44:53 GMT
I didn't mean to hurt your feelings about your sacred tomes. You're the one throwing up ground beef and saying it's filet mignon. This isn't about "cup of tea" it's about overinflating mediocre work for hire moneygrab novels which at their best are kinda entertaining, convoluted stuff. No I'm throwing up ground beef and saying it's preferable to garbage. But maintain your strawman narrative if you must. Just watch that personal line. And lol @ "moneygrab", as if Disney's Milkanator 5000 that they've strapped the franchise to is purely for the joy of all the little children, out of the goodness of their hearts. Enjoy your assembly-line sweatshop knockoff movies for the rest of eternity. As I said, we'll be over here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 15:27:24 GMT
On the Han Solo movie, some people commenting on behind closed doors footage: The most interesting thing for Star Wars fans – especially those burned by Star Wars: The Last Jedi – is that the movie apparently has an “old Star Wars feel to it.” By old, I’m guessing he means more original Star Wars and less Phantom Menace which, lest we forget, is somehow nearing its 20th (!) anniversary. Flick also makes explicit reference to it being a “fan-service movie” for some of the older Star Wars fans. So far, so good.www.gamesradar.com/it-has-an-old-star-wars-feel-to-it-the-first-reaction-to-behind-closed-doors-han-solo-movie-footage-is-in/Interesting... thanks for the post!
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 19, 2018 15:37:00 GMT
I didn't mean to hurt your feelings about your sacred tomes. You're the one throwing up ground beef and saying it's filet mignon. This isn't about "cup of tea" it's about overinflating mediocre work for hire moneygrab novels which at their best are kinda entertaining, convoluted stuff. No I'm throwing up ground beef and saying it's preferable to garbage. But maintain your strawman narrative if you must. Just watch that personal line. And lol @ "moneygrab", as if Disney's Milkanator 5000 that they've strapped the franchise to is purely for the joy of all the little children, out of the goodness of their hearts. Enjoy your assembly-line sweatshop knockoff movies for the rest of eternity. As I said, we'll be over here. I'm having trouble keeping the narrative straight. Is the problem with TLJ supposed to be that it's too different from other SW films, or not different enough? You seem to be going with the latter here.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jan 19, 2018 16:17:40 GMT
I'm having trouble keeping the narrative straight. Is the problem with TLJ supposed to be that it's too different from other SW films, or not different enough? You seem to be going with the latter here. I'm not talking about TLJ. I'm talking about Mickey Wars as a whole. People that were on board with Hope Harder or any of the other nonsense put out since April 2014, simply weren't paying attention. Though as a general note, yo-yoing between extremes is not something I would advise. Plagiarizing previous works wholesale is no good, but neither is shitting on them in a misguided attempt to reinvent teh wheel.
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Post by Melra on Jan 19, 2018 16:31:19 GMT
It's almost as if defenders of Disney don't understand that it isn't impossible to make new kind of content while still respecting and adhering to the rules set up by the previous works. If someone doesn't like weaponized hyperspace and also dislikes them copypasting the overall structure from the previous works, doesn't mean the person is contradicting themselves in anyway.
You can want something new, that adheres to the rules that have already been set. The rules help with things remaining consistent within the universe and allow certain things to feel exciting and interesting within context of that universe. If you know X has never been done before by anyone, because of Y, but then someone is shown to overcome the obstacles and pull it off, the pay off is often better. This is not what happened with the TLJ.
There was no explanation given, it just happened like it was nothing new.
Also previously it has been so that even if someone was gifted in the Force, they'd not know how to master every power possible without any training. Each Force power came across as being bit different and just knowing/learning how to lift a pebble didn't mean you could do everything else with ease. But Mary Sue does it all, it's almost like she bought one of those lootboxes and has had everything unlocked from the start.
You can come up with new structure for the stories while playing within the existing rules or expanding those rules while providing good reasoning and displaying the cause for that expansion. Not just pulling shit out of your ass to suit the situation at hand.
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Post by Iakus on Jan 19, 2018 18:24:31 GMT
You know if Rey is supposed to be a stand in for the audience, in general, then it also makes sense why she had such a negative reaction to Luke's 'fall from grace' and exactly what he did...because...you know...fans. Because everyone knows p*ssing off fans is the secret to a movie's success.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jan 19, 2018 18:47:17 GMT
It's kinda sad when you think about it that this comes out first over the Solo trailer. Fun Fact: Papa Ryder in MEA and the guy who sounds remarkably like him? (Clancy Brown) Both characters he plays are named Ryder. In this case it's a first name I like to think that's an easter egg of some sorts.
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Post by colfoley on Jan 19, 2018 18:48:21 GMT
I'm having trouble keeping the narrative straight. Is the problem with TLJ supposed to be that it's too different from other SW films, or not different enough? You seem to be going with the latter here. I'm not talking about TLJ. I'm talking about Mickey Wars as a whole. People that were on board with Hope Harder or any of the other nonsense put out since April 2014, simply weren't paying attention. Though as a general note, yo-yoing between extremes is not something I would advise. Plagiarizing previous works wholesale is no good, but neither is shitting on them in a misguided attempt to reinvent teh wheel. interesting tactic you accuse us of not paying attention but yet claim Disney has engaged in wholesale plagiarism of previous works.
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Post by mybudgee on Jan 19, 2018 19:19:41 GMT
I'm having trouble keeping the narrative straight. Is the problem with TLJ supposed to be that it's too different from other SW films, or not different enough? You seem to be going with the latter here. I'm not talking about TLJ. I'm talking about Mickey Wars as a whole. People that were on board with Hope Harder or any of the other nonsense put out since April 2014, simply weren't paying attention. Though as a general note, yo-yoing between extremes is not something I would advise. Plagiarizing previous works wholesale is no good, but neither is shitting on them in a misguided attempt to reinvent teh wheel. Isn't it incredible how difficult it is to make a decent Star Wars flick???
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Post by alanc9 on Jan 19, 2018 19:35:54 GMT
I'm having trouble keeping the narrative straight. Is the problem with TLJ supposed to be that it's too different from other SW films, or not different enough? You seem to be going with the latter here. I'm not talking about TLJ. I'm talking about Mickey Wars as a whole. People that were on board with Hope Harder or any of the other nonsense put out since April 2014, simply weren't paying attention. Or paid attention and weren't bothered by what they saw, right? (You can't actually mean what you just said there.)
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