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Post by Evil on Feb 13, 2018 3:12:34 GMT
Actually the stated reason for the Jedi not having families in addition to the emotional entanglement was a desire for them to not create super Jedi, so their refusal to do so is very much in line with genetics considering they believe that people of Jedi parentage can lead to a much higher midi-chlorian count= much more powerful Jedi. If you've got some actual citation for the bolded part I'd like to see it, because it's news to me. Also, a quote from an old BBC article purporting to be word of George Lucas himself that's relevant: But Lucas revealed that despite their monastic regime, Jedi were permitted to have sex. "Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships." Cut and pasted directly from here, feel free to Ctrl-F it yourself. The existence of a "no attachments" rule and the absence of a "no making younglings" rule says a lot about intent in my opinion. Also, this guy, his 4 wives and his seven daughters would all probably have something to say on the matter:
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Post by colfoley on Feb 13, 2018 3:16:26 GMT
Actually the stated reason for the Jedi not having families in addition to the emotional entanglement was a desire for them to not create super Jedi, so their refusal to do so is very much in line with genetics considering they believe that people of Jedi parentage can lead to a much higher midi-chlorian count= much more powerful Jedi. If you've got some actual citation for the bolded part I'd like to see it, because it's news to me. Also, a quote from an old BBC article purporting to be word of George Lucas himself that's relevant: "But Lucas revealed that despite their monastic regime, Jedi were permitted to have sex. "Jedi Knights aren't celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships." Cut and pasted directly from here, feel free to Ctrl-F it yourself. The existence of a "no attachments" rule and the absence of a "no making younglings" rule says a lot about intent in my opinion. Also, this guy, his 4 wives and his seven daughters would all probably have something to say on the matter: And that's the part I forgot to include, I am unsure of the cannoncity of the source anymore given the complex nature of canon as it stands now.
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Post by river82 on Feb 13, 2018 5:42:18 GMT
Disney revealed this sketch of what the Star Wars-themed resort might eventually look like.The resort is planned to be "immersive," meaning visitors will be considered "active residents" of the Star Wars galaxy, and can dress accordingly. Windows at the resort will offer glimpses into "space," which likely will look somewhat like the space battles in the above video. (This is sounding a lot like HBO's "Westworld," so let's hope things are a little more under control.)The resort will be "seamlessly connected to Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge at Disney's Hollywood Studios." Florida's Galaxy's Edge park doesn't have an opening date yet, but it won't happen until after a similar location at the California parks opens in 2019.As we already knew, the Florida resort will be set on the planet Batuu, will allow visitors to pilot Han Solo's famed Millennium Falcon, and will serve up Luke Skywalker's childhood drink of blue milk.www.cnet.com/news/star-wars-disney-galaxys-edge-theme-resort-florida-gets-details/
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 5:47:56 GMT
Star Wars canon or what passes for it has always been a bit messy as its been added to and taken away from over the years. It has a tendency to be a bit like Gorge Lucas, it contradicts itself sometimes.
It's an utter nightmare when you're writing fanfic too but that's something else.
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Post by river82 on Feb 13, 2018 5:53:46 GMT
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Post by colfoley on Feb 13, 2018 6:23:14 GMT
Star Wars canon or what passes for it has always been a bit messy as its been added to and taken away from over the years. It has a tendency to be a bit like Gorge Lucas, it contradicts itself sometimes. It's an utter nightmare when you're writing fanfic too but that's something else. Think that's bad try going through Star Trek sometime.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 6:27:23 GMT
Star Wars canon or what passes for it has always been a bit messy as its been added to and taken away from over the years. It has a tendency to be a bit like Gorge Lucas, it contradicts itself sometimes. It's an utter nightmare when you're writing fanfic too but that's something else. Think that's bad try going through Star Trek sometime. ST has a messy canon? Huh.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 13, 2018 6:34:46 GMT
Think that's bad try going through Star Trek sometime. ST has a messy canon? Huh. Given that most of the shows have been episodic and given that a lot of fans have complained about plot inconsistencies at the drop of a hat, sometimes fairly sometimes not, yes Trek has a fairly messy canon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 6:36:46 GMT
ST has a messy canon? Huh. Given that most of the shows have been episodic and given that a lot of fans have complained about plot inconsistencies at the drop of a hat, sometimes fairly sometimes not, yes Trek has a fairly messy canon. Ah. Cool. I love the show, but I don't think i'd ever write fanfiction about it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 7:38:40 GMT
Star Wars canon or what passes for it has always been a bit messy as its been added to and taken away from over the years. It has a tendency to be a bit like Gorge Lucas, it contradicts itself sometimes. It's an utter nightmare when you're writing fanfic too but that's something else. Think that's bad try going through Star Trek sometime. I know, not that I've ever been a die hard follower even when I did watch ST The Forgotten Realms (Dungeons and Dragons) is ever worse for not being that consistent.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 13, 2018 7:42:16 GMT
Think that's bad try going through Star Trek sometime. I know, not that I've ever been a die hard follower even when I did watch ST The Forgotten Realms (Dungeons and Dragons) is ever worse for not being that consistent. Consistency is one of the hardest things to get right I think as an author. I may be projecting a little bit of course but it just seems like a Herculean effort to keep names and places and dates and character arcs all straight when writing a story.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 7:45:44 GMT
True and mutply that by a thousand or so for any long running show/film/whatever series and you will get mistakes creep in.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 13, 2018 7:46:19 GMT
True and mutply that by a thousand or so for any long running show/film/whatever series and you will get mistakes creep in. Or a 7 book series of original fiction you are trying to write...
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Post by mybudgee on Feb 13, 2018 7:52:00 GMT
Harry Potter is trash
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Post by colfoley on Feb 13, 2018 7:54:42 GMT
I'm not writing Harry Potter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 8:10:48 GMT
True and mutply that by a thousand or so for any long running show/film/whatever series and you will get mistakes creep in. Or a 7 book series of original fiction you are trying to write... And I thought my off the wall idea for my Star Wars story was crazy, you got me bet there. Though I have no idea how long it'll be until it's done....
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Post by colfoley on Feb 13, 2018 8:17:28 GMT
Or a 7 book series of original fiction you are trying to write... And I thought my off the wall idea for my Star Wars story was crazy, you got me bet there. Though I have no idea how long it'll be until it's done.... Hey I think I had an idea for like a 7 novel...or nine...or 13...Star Wars fanfic series once. All I got was the first one and then two chapters of the second one done.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 8:25:07 GMT
And I thought my off the wall idea for my Star Wars story was crazy, you got me bet there. Though I have no idea how long it'll be until it's done.... Hey I think I had an idea for like a 7 novel...or nine...or 13...Star Wars fanfic series once. All I got was the first one and then two chapters of the second one done. And I thought my three book Neverwinter Nights 2 series was ambitious. I did get two done and 5 chapters of the third but I was so burned out by that point... Still have them on the hard drive....
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Post by Andrew Waples on Feb 13, 2018 8:58:17 GMT
I dunno bout anyone else, but I'm excited to see young Chewbacca introduced in the upcoming movie: A long lasting friendship was born...
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Post by CrutchCricket on Feb 13, 2018 14:06:04 GMT
Well you mix up genealogy or lineage with genetics. For example you can adopt someone and they'd be included in a family's genealogy or lineage (whatever you want to call it) and yet not have the genetics passed on from parents to descendants. And this commonly happened back in the day. Lineage has to do with family, family is not all about genetics. But you make a good point regarding genetics and symbiotic worms and the rest though. Maybe so, but for the relevant tropes of bloodlines and such, actual blood relatives are the only thing considered. Adoptions only really play a role in more socio-political contexts. For example, Thrawn is not actually a blood relative of the Mitth family, he is a "merit adoptive"- basically a commoner allowed to wear the name and rank of one of the Ruling Families of the Chiss because his skills make him a worthy representative. Yet for all intents and purposes he is treated (and considers himself) a full member of the family. The problem with midichlorians though, from my point of view, is it removes all the interesting things for character, like ability, ambition, talent, drive, or knowledge base and ability to learn more knowledge. It is all down to how many bacterial microbes you have in your blood stream. That's it. Your greatness is not up to you, it is up to something outside your control and well you can't be a great Jedi unless you have a high midichlorian count. Of course this could open up interesting narrative possibilities in its own right but it did not seem to be consistent with the original narrative intent of A New Hope. Can you explain how? Apart from Mary Sue Rey, everyone, including Space Jesus Anakin still needed to be trained and to have the ability, ambition, talent, drive and knowledge to reach their full potential (which by definition, involves them learning more than they currently know). To the rest of this, I just ranted for a page about, how this is not the case, but if you choose to keep repeating it, I can't stop you. The point behind everyman style stories is to give the audience something to aspire to. As I point out I feel midichlorians remove this possibility. Where indeed it is up to a characters ability or ability to adapt and overcome challenges around them, not their parents or their heritage or who their parents are. It is up to them. Yes, having chosen ones in this type of story are a way of easily distinguishing and creating a protagonist, but just because one is a choseon one, does not mean that we can't learn lessons from them and aspire to be like them because the everyman, is supposed to be an everyman. So the fictional space magic bacteria remove the possibility of relating to a character, when teh fictional space magic energy field does not? Again, I already covered how everything Luke and Anakin did had fuck all to do with their midichlorians and everything to do with their characters, for good or bad. Harry Potter subverted this trope because Harry wasn't chosen by fate, God, destiny, or just because he was the most awesome character ever, (quite the contrary), he was chosen by Voldemort who misinterpreted a prophecy. Harry himself actually wasn't very special, was often the least intelligent, or capable Wizard in the room but he had determination, spunk, and again some of those same qualities from Voldy. Anakin was also at the center of a misinterpreted prophecy and was the direct result of a Dark Lord fucking up. And as I've already said, he was anything but the most awesome character (in terms of power). I don't know the Clone Wars but I'm willing to bet that despite all the talk of Chosen One and "limitless potential", he does not have the market cornered on actual feats as either a Jedi or Sith. But power and the EU are beside the point. I submit that Anakin being Space Jesus, having all this power and fucking it up is actually a better subversion of the "godly awesome chosen one" than Harry Potter being reduced to bystander at the wrong place at the wrong time. Because it involves a much more relateable and ultimately human quality- fucking up. Yeah we can relate to being courageous, loyal, compassionate and doing the right thing when you're just a regular guy. But that's ideal, that's what we'd want to do, or hope that we'd do if it ever came down to it. But failing? Letting pride or fear or anger get the best of us? Having every chance to succeed, every advantage and still fucking it up? For most of us, that's just a Tuesday. And none of this, I cannot emphasize strongly enough, has anything to do with, or is affected in any way by, goddamn midichlorians. The existence of a "no attachments" rule and the absence of a "no making younglings" rule says a lot about intent in my opinion. Or maybe he just wanted to avoid comparisons to the Catholic Church. Whoops, too late. www.comedycentral.co.uk/chappelles-show/videos/jedi-sex-scandal-uncensoredStar Wars canon or what passes for it has always been a bit messy as its been added to and taken away from over the years. It has a tendency to be a bit like Gorge Lucas, it contradicts itself sometimes. It's an utter nightmare when you're writing fanfic too but that's something else. Nah, I found it quite clear.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Feb 14, 2018 1:39:30 GMT
Star Wars canon or what passes for it has always been a bit messy as its been added to and taken away from over the years. It has a tendency to be a bit like Gorge Lucas, it contradicts itself sometimes. It's an utter nightmare when you're writing fanfic too but that's something else. Think that's bad try going through Star Trek sometime. Trek canon isn't that hard to go through - what's in the series and movies are canon. Books, games, etc. are given an 'alternate' status to canon. I mean, there are discrepancies, but it's not anywhere near as full of ripples as the old EU - which was actually remarkably consistent with itself, particularly come works made around the turn of the millennium and after it.
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Post by The Hype Himself on Feb 14, 2018 1:42:32 GMT
I just have to ask Crutch, did you rest on your laurels and go see the abomination of a franchise post-EU nuking? For shame if this is the case. :smh:
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Post by The Hype Himself on Feb 14, 2018 1:47:23 GMT
Think that's bad try going through Star Trek sometime. ST has a messy canon? Huh. Not at all. The rule is that all shows and movies are considered canon, save for the newer movies, which are part of an officially sanctioned alternate timeline (and can actually be considered a technical sequel to the entire TV-franchise and movies I-X, given that the events in them were all started in the Prime Universe.) While there are contradictions every so often, Star Trek generally keeps things put together pretty well.
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Post by Galactic Runner on Feb 14, 2018 5:38:01 GMT
Guys, I know all of this is important...BUT...
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Post by Galactic Runner on Feb 14, 2018 5:50:17 GMT
Also, Avengers: Infinity War is coming out on Star Wars Day...
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