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Post by Andrew Waples on Apr 14, 2018 13:43:56 GMT
It is fine tö have opiniöns aböut liking the mövie. But it is öbjectively bad. I'm sure these videös have been pösted beföre. "Its fine to like the TLJ, but its objectively bad." 😂 Cause my opinion is so bloody wrong...
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Post by Iakus on Apr 14, 2018 15:48:37 GMT
And I can't fathom people who hate this movie.🤨🙄 Cause you know opinions. Oh, I'm totally on Disney's payroll.🤨😑🙄 I dunno about being on DIsney's payroll, but according to most of the articles I've read, you are the "real Star Wars fan" and I'm just butthurt...
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 14, 2018 15:58:05 GMT
The actors are decent enough, if there's a problem it's with the writing. (though I'm not so sure about Rey's actor, I think she has like 3 facial expressions) 3 facial expressions are enough for the role she has to play, and she's a better actress than Mark Hamil was when they made the first episode. She also moves quite well. So, yes, they all could use better writing.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Apr 14, 2018 15:59:06 GMT
And I can't fathom people who hate this movie.🤨🙄 Cause you know opinions. Oh, I'm totally on Disney's payroll.🤨😑🙄 I dunno about being on DIsney's payroll, but according to most of the articles I've read, you are the "real Star Wars fan" and I'm just butthurt... I am? Cool I guess...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 15:59:21 GMT
I had the same reaction to those who liked the original ME3 ending, so it's not as if I haven't gone through this before. I'll get over it, I'm sure. That's a pretty good comparison that I hadn't thought of. TLJ will probably go down that same path, where both sides go at it until nothing more can be said.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 14, 2018 16:01:42 GMT
When people say that they're surprised that other people liked TLJ, I never know if they're lying or if they're genuinely surprised. I don't think it's so much of a "What?" as a "Why?"
I mean, I know several people who liked TLJ, but I can't fathom what it is that made them like it. It strikes me as a movie specifically designed for people who hated the original trilogy.
I wouldn't go as far as "hated." It did strike me as being something like the BSG reboot, or maybe KotOR 2.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 14, 2018 16:25:35 GMT
I don't think it's so much of a "What?" as a "Why?"
I mean, I know several people who liked TLJ, but I can't fathom what it is that made them like it. It strikes me as a movie specifically designed for people who hated the original trilogy.
I wouldn't go as far as "hated." It did strike me as being something like the BSG reboot, or maybe KotOR 2. Then they should have properly rebooted the series. Or at least let Rian Johnson just do an unrelated Star Wars movie and let someone who actually respects the original trilogy and its characters handle this trilogy.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 14, 2018 16:35:48 GMT
And I can't fathom people who hate this movie.🤨🙄 Cause you know opinions. Oh, I'm totally on Disney's payroll.🤨😑🙄 You now know how Prequel fans felt.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 17:06:57 GMT
It is fine tö have opiniöns aböut liking the mövie. But it is öbjectively bad. I'm sure these videös have been pösted beföre. "Its fine to like the TLJ, but its objectively bad." 😂 Cause my opinion is so bloody wrong... Liking and enjöying the mövie is different than saying it is a goöd mövie. It is twö seperate things. I can nöt and dö nöt want tö contröl what yöu like and enjöy aböut mövies, önly yöu can dö that. But when yöu say the mövie is a goöd mövie then we can have a debate ön it because it is actually öbjectively bad.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Apr 14, 2018 17:39:47 GMT
"Its fine to like the TLJ, but its objectively bad." 😂 Cause my opinion is so bloody wrong... Liking and enjöying the mövie is different than saying it is a goöd mövie. It is twö seperate things. I can nöt and dö nöt want tö contröl what yöu like and enjöy aböut mövies, önly yöu can dö that. But when yöu say the mövie is a goöd mövie then we can have a debate ön it because it is actually öbjectively bad. You're acting like they're is right or wrong way to critique a movie. When there is clearly not one.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Apr 14, 2018 18:18:30 GMT
"Its fine to like the TLJ, but its objectively bad." 😂 Cause my opinion is so bloody wrong... Liking and enjöying the mövie is different than saying it is a goöd mövie. It is twö seperate things. I can nöt and dö nöt want tö contröl what yöu like and enjöy aböut mövies, önly yöu can dö that. But when yöu say the mövie is a goöd mövie then we can have a debate ön it because it is actually öbjectively bad. I read your comments in Schwarzenegger's voice
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 14, 2018 19:06:10 GMT
It's true, to say a film is objectively bad is a bit ridiculous. Art is subjective, etc. However, to say that a film is juvenile, insulting to the Lore or pandering to certain demographics is more accurate (ALL of which apply to episode 8) Take the Phantom Menace or Attack o' ye Clones for example. I personally like certain bits of both films, but I would rather not sit through either one in its entirety again if I can help it. I'll watch the final act, however. The reason is that the duels/battles require very little emotional investment to enjoy, as they are more spectacle & choreography than epic story. My getting invested in the prequels' plot is nearly impossible, because the awful dialogue and stupid "romance" remind me what a sloppily directed mess these films were, and the acting is all over the place. However, because there was an outline, an overall arc for most of the characters it is still somewhat enjoyable & makes sense within the Star Wars universe. Sadly, the same cannot be argued about episode 8; yes, the acting is pretty good overall. However the film as a whole seems disjointed, a hodgepodge of several odd ideas which do not fit well together. Characters are purposefully unpredictable & counter-intuitive, which works if used sparingly. When used like a sledge-hammer, subversion of expectations feels more like an insult than a welcome change. It is worse for the audience than a re-boot because in that case, at least the premise is "new things that feel familiar". Episode 8 was more like "dumb, trendy things that feel strange"... Also, the fact that many proponents of episode 8 admit that the 2nd act was difficult to watch is a sign that even they know this film was juvenile & pandered to 20-year-old 3rd wave feminists
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 19:26:03 GMT
It is nöt ridiculöus at all. There are many ways tö critique a mövie för sure. But thöse are all superficial. The önly thing that matters is störy. What is a mövie? It is just a störy. And that is what is öbjectively bad aböut The Last Jedi. Nöthing makes sense ör göes against the löre and universe set up in the öther mövies.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Apr 14, 2018 19:35:54 GMT
To quote Anakin: I'm tired of arguing with you.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 14, 2018 19:46:10 GMT
I wouldn't go as far as "hated." It did strike me as being something like the BSG reboot, or maybe KotOR 2. Then they should have properly rebooted the series. Or at least let Rian Johnson just do an unrelated Star Wars movie and let someone who actually respects the original trilogy and its characters handle this trilogy. Why? (Sounds like you're operating from axioms I don't share. Wouldn't be the first time.)
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 14, 2018 19:50:46 GMT
It is nöt ridiculöus at all. There are many ways to critique a mövie för sure. But thöse are all superficial. The önly thing that matters is störy. What is a mövie? It is just a störy. And that is what is öbjectively bad aböut The Last Jedi. Nöthing makes sense ör göes against the löre and universe set up in the öther mövies. This sort of argument never works, you know. Someone can just say "yes, it makes sense," and the lore is fuzzy enough to make violating it an almost impossible charge to prove. I'd say absolutely impossible, but I figure there might be a brilliant argument out there that I've just never seen.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 14, 2018 20:04:30 GMT
It is nöt ridiculöus at all. There are many ways to critique a mövie för sure. But thöse are all superficial. The önly thing that matters is störy. What is a mövie? It is just a störy. And that is what is öbjectively bad aböut The Last Jedi. Nöthing makes sense ör göes against the löre and universe set up in the öther mövies. This sort of argument never works, you know. Someone can just say "yes, it makes sense," and the lore is fuzzy enough to make violating it an almost impossible charge to prove. Bullshit. The lore in episode 7 was all that was necessary. It is a SEQUEL to that movie for Christ's... there's no "fuzzy" or mysterious reason why episode 8 was incredibly disappointing. It had SEVERAL arcs set up, many questions implied in episode 7 that were ignored or ridiculed in 8. This is what went wrong. The filmmakers deliberately chose to be dicks about things. Ruin Johnson could have been a bit cheeky, but still answered some of these burning questions and the film would have been at least somewhat satisfying; - Where/who/why was Snoke? (The 1st ever Dark side user? An immortal Sith? A walking undead puppet?) - How did Ben become Kylo Ren? What happened to the few surviving students? (stupid flashbacks were stupid) - Who/Where are the Knights of Ren? - How is Rey on Yoda's level? - How did Rose Tico have any lines at all? - Why was Leia or Ackbar not the ones to sacrifice themselves? - What was the point of Rey diving into Satan's anus? - Why is Finn such a flake? How did Phasma lose to him?? - How is Hux still alive? - How can episode 9 not be even worse?!? - Can anyone get things back on track?
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Post by mannyray on Apr 14, 2018 20:37:25 GMT
"Its fine to like the TLJ, but its objectively bad." 😂 Cause my opinion is so bloody wrong... Liking and enjöying the mövie is different than saying it is a goöd mövie. It is twö seperate things. I can nöt and dö nöt want tö contröl what yöu like and enjöy aböut mövies, önly yöu can dö that. But when yöu say the mövie is a goöd mövie then we can have a debate ön it because it is actually öbjectively bad. It's too bad the two critical videos selected were by the same butthurt ilk that make such clickbait to begin with. Scratching the surface of these videos reveals nothing but childish rage carryover from episode 7. Below is actually a rational and articulate roundtable review of TLJ. You'll find that the critiques here in many cases fall in line with the issues some have with the film but you WILL NOT find the following rage and sobbing: 1) "Rey's a Marysue!!!!!! aieeee!" 2)"The film was mean to rich people and vilified them and that makes me angry" 3)"But the prequels were actually good" 4)"political agenda...WAAAAHHHH!" 5)"But...but hyperdrives to asteroids..." Anyway, this may have been posted somewhere in the thousands of pages in this thread, but it's a good example of a solid critique even if I don't agree with absolutely everything they say. Way more rational than the videos far too many consider thoughtful and clever. Oh and they know the prequels are crap.
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Post by mannyray on Apr 14, 2018 20:39:07 GMT
Said it before, much of the rancor stems from anger over the sacred masterwork (lol) EU novels not being followed for the films. Any proof of that statement? Read this thread, it's a good start.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 21:00:48 GMT
Liking and enjöying the mövie is different than saying it is a goöd mövie. It is twö seperate things. I can nöt and dö nöt want tö contröl what yöu like and enjöy aböut mövies, önly yöu can dö that. But when yöu say the mövie is a goöd mövie then we can have a debate ön it because it is actually öbjectively bad. It's too bad the two critical videos selected were by the same butthurt ilk that make such clickbait to begin with. Scratching the surface of these videos reveals nothing but childish rage carryover from episode 7. Below is actually a rational and articulate roundtable review of TLJ. You'll find that the critiques here in many cases fall in line with the issues some have with the film but you WILL NOT find the following rage and sobbing: 1) "Rey's a Marysue!!!!!! aieeee!" 2)"The film was mean to rich people and vilified them and that makes me angry" 3)"But the prequels were actually good" 4)"political agenda...WAAAAHHHH!" 5)"But...but hyperdrives to asteroids..." Anyway, this may have been posted somewhere in the thousands of pages in this thread, but it's a good example of a solid critique even if I don't agree with absolutely everything they say. Way more rational than the videos far too many consider thoughtful and clever. Oh and they know the prequels are crap. Mauler döes an excellent jöb öf critiquing the film. That is if yöu actually watch the videö. And fröm how yöu dissmiss it as "butthurt ilk" I döubt yöu did. He göes thröugh every scene and pöints öut legitimate pröblems with the film.
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Post by mannyray on Apr 14, 2018 21:16:51 GMT
It's too bad the two critical videos selected were by the same butthurt ilk that make such clickbait to begin with. Scratching the surface of these videos reveals nothing but childish rage carryover from episode 7. Below is actually a rational and articulate roundtable review of TLJ. You'll find that the critiques here in many cases fall in line with the issues some have with the film but you WILL NOT find the following rage and sobbing: 1) "Rey's a Marysue!!!!!! aieeee!" 2)"The film was mean to rich people and vilified them and that makes me angry" 3)"But the prequels were actually good" 4)"political agenda...WAAAAHHHH!" 5)"But...but hyperdrives to asteroids..." Anyway, this may have been posted somewhere in the thousands of pages in this thread, but it's a good example of a solid critique even if I don't agree with absolutely everything they say. Way more rational than the videos far too many consider thoughtful and clever. Oh and they know the prequels are crap. Mauler döes an excellent jöb öf critiquing the film. That is if yöu actually watch the videö. And fröm how yöu dissmiss it as "butthurt ilk" I döubt yöu did. He göes thröugh every scene and pöints öut legitimate pröblems with the film. tap your heels together 3 times while you say that and maybe you'll end up in Kansas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 21:28:08 GMT
tap your heels together 3 times while you say that and maybe you'll end up in Kansas.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 21:28:32 GMT
Mauler döes an excellent jöb öf critiquing the film. That is if yöu actually watch the videö. And fröm how yöu dissmiss it as "butthurt ilk" I döubt yöu did. He göes thröugh every scene and pöints öut legitimate pröblems with the film. tap your heels together 3 times while you say that and maybe you'll end up in Kansas. I dönt knöw what that means tö the conversatiön we are having. It söunds like yöu are the öne whö is butthurt aböut peöple finding legitimate pröblems with a mövie yöu like.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Apr 14, 2018 21:39:28 GMT
tap your heels together 3 times while you say that and maybe you'll end up in Kansas. I dönt knöw what that means tö the conversatiön we are having. It söunds like yöu are the öne whö is butthurt aböut peöple finding legitimate pröblems with a mövie yöu like. Same thing could be said from both sides. Honestly though can this thread focus on Solo? The film came out last year for fuck sakes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 21:44:44 GMT
I dönt knöw what that means tö the conversatiön we are having. It söunds like yöu are the öne whö is butthurt aböut peöple finding legitimate pröblems with a mövie yöu like. Same thing could be said from both sides. Honestly though can this thread focus on Solo? The film came out last year for fuck sakes. This. TLJ only leads to insults and increased levels of salt. Solo comes out in about a month. And, in my opinion, Solo will determine whether there is still hope the franchise. All the more reason to move on and look forward.
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