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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2018 0:42:54 GMT
*snip* Re-writing history every chance they get to make themselves fit in better. I do despise this time. What do you mean? It's always been happening. No it hasn't. When I was a kid, eating Pepperidge Farms and remembering, there were reboots - Flash Gordon is a great one. There were also new IPs. Now nothing is new, or is a mutilated/mutated update of what we thought we knew. Blade Runner, Aliens, Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, DC... Whether you like the product they rehashed or no, it is not new. If you are talking about broader societal concerns, well - that is a topic for a different thread, too political for me here.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 18, 2018 0:52:44 GMT
Oh, thought you were talking about 'history' history. Yeah these new movies are for the imagination starved generation. There's really nothing that can be done about this, we're getting dumber by the year, comes with the territory of watching TV and film.
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2018 1:10:45 GMT
Honestly who cares if its a rehash or not? Humans have been retelling/ absorbing over and over the same media for millenium. The Odyssey and the Illiad are still taught in schools, still considered classics, and they are...what? 3000 years old? Or the works of Shakespear which,even at the time, was told over and over again not to mention all the retellings of his works since then...which no one seems to bat an eye on. So who cares? Humanity has never been especially 'original' just building on ideas that came before it. Every once and a while something comes along that is new and changes the conversation, enjoy it, but that does not negate all the modern franchises out of hand.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 18, 2018 1:18:34 GMT
Oh, thought you were talking about 'history' history. Yeah these new movies are for the imagination starved generation. There's really nothing that can be done about this, we're getting dumber by the year, comes with the territory of watching TV and film.Says the guy who believes in flat earth.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 18, 2018 1:27:48 GMT
Oh, thought you were talking about 'history' history. Yeah these new movies are for the imagination starved generation. There's really nothing that can be done about this, we're getting dumber by the year, comes with the territory of watching TV and film.It's ironic when it coming from someone who believes in flat earth. I did say 'we're' getting dumber, meaning not excluding myself. I too went to indoctrination school and watched enough TV & film. But at least I also drew, played guitar, played old school videogames and lots of great outdoor adventures, so not completely devoid of imagination. As for flat Earth, hey, at least I put in a ton of research into both models. Just outright dismissing anything without further investigation is not the path to getting smarter and escaping our programming.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2018 1:53:52 GMT
Honestly who cares if its a rehash or not? Humans have been retelling/ absorbing over and over the same media for millenium. The Odyssey and the Illiad are still taught in schools, still considered classics, and they are...what? 3000 years old? Or the works of Shakespear which,even at the time, was told over and over again not to mention all the retellings of his works since then...which no one seems to bat an eye on. So who cares? Humanity has never been especially 'original' just building on ideas that came before it. Every once and a while something comes along that is new and changes the conversation, enjoy it, but that does not negate all the modern franchises out of hand. I agree with some of this. Why the fuck has no one made a solid rendition of the Odyssey? It has always boggled my mind... Sure, there are 100s of derivations, but it seems no one has the salt to tackle Odysseus properly. I would pay to see it, and I have read the Odyssey in multiple translations many many times. Shakespeare is worth repeating, and plays were meant to be done again, with different talent, and sometimes even different meaning as theatre evolved. Roddenberry loved the Bard. More than I to be frank. Tell a new version of the same story again? Sure, but do it with style, or call it by a different name. Do not lay claim to what is not yours... That is the problem with Pansexual Lando and Mary Sue Rey the Usurper.
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2018 1:57:07 GMT
Honestly who cares if its a rehash or not? Humans have been retelling/ absorbing over and over the same media for millenium. The Odyssey and the Illiad are still taught in schools, still considered classics, and they are...what? 3000 years old? Or the works of Shakespear which,even at the time, was told over and over again not to mention all the retellings of his works since then...which no one seems to bat an eye on. So who cares? Humanity has never been especially 'original' just building on ideas that came before it. Every once and a while something comes along that is new and changes the conversation, enjoy it, but that does not negate all the modern franchises out of hand. I agree with some of this. Why the fuck has no one made a solid rendition of the Odyssey? It has always boggled my mind... Sure, there are 100s of derivations, but it seems no one has the salt to tackle Odysseus properly. I would pay to see it, and I have read the Odyssey in multiple translations many many times. Shakespeare is worth repeating, and plays were meant to be done again, with different talent, and sometimes even different meaning as theatre evolved. Roddenberry loved the Bard. More than I to be frank. Tell a new version of the same story again? Sure, but do it with style, or call it by a different name. Do not lay claim to what is not yours... That is the problem with Pansexual Lando and Mary Sue Rey the Usurper. What has Rey usurped?
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 18, 2018 7:08:45 GMT
Then I read.... Re-writing history every chance they get to make themselves fit in better. I do despise this time. Pansexual means he could hit on any living beings on earth (including furries and beasts). Or are the dead included too? :gasp:
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Post by SofaJockey on May 18, 2018 8:15:18 GMT
Interesting article proposing that Star Wars 'fandom' is broken. To me, while The Last Jedi's plot can be both inconsequential and flabby in parts, it doesn't deserve the internet hate it gets. "Something is deeply broken among the Star Wars faithful. Respectable discourse has deteriorated completely as a small but determined minority of “fans” turn to the Dark Side—hate-spewing assholes looking to ruin the party for everyone, and often succeeding."observer.com/2018/05/star-wars-fandom-toxic-disney-lucasfilm/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2018 8:19:20 GMT
Interesting article proposing that Star Wars 'fandom' is broken. To me, while The Last Jedi's plot can be both inconsequential and flabby in parts, it doesn't deserve the internet hate it gets. "Something is deeply broken among the Star Wars faithful. Respectable discourse has deteriorated completely as a small but determined minority of “fans” turn to the Dark Side—hate-spewing assholes looking to ruin the party for everyone, and often succeeding."observer.com/2018/05/star-wars-fandom-toxic-disney-lucasfilm/amp/?__twitter_impression=true...just letting you know you may have just started World War 3.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 18, 2018 8:33:05 GMT
Interesting article proposing that Star Wars 'fandom' is broken. To me, while The Last Jedi's plot can be both inconsequential and flabby in parts, it doesn't deserve the internet hate it gets. "Something is deeply broken among the Star Wars faithful. Respectable discourse has deteriorated completely as a small but determined minority of “fans” turn to the Dark Side—hate-spewing assholes looking to ruin the party for everyone, and often succeeding."observer.com/2018/05/star-wars-fandom-toxic-disney-lucasfilm/amp/?__twitter_impression=true...just letting you know you may have just started World War 3. That's an understatement.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2018 14:23:41 GMT
The Jedi. She is teh best Jedah evu. No need for teachers, just pwn naturally. Her character could have been awesome. It just sucks so hard. People aren't born with amazing latent abilities that can shine like diamonds instantly once they decide to let them out. The artist practices. Rey Mind Tricks because it is easy. Edit: Interesting article proposing that Star Wars 'fandom' is broken. To me, while The Last Jedi's plot can be both inconsequential and flabby in parts, it doesn't deserve the internet hate it gets. "Something is deeply broken among the Star Wars faithful. Respectable discourse has deteriorated completely as a small but determined minority of “fans” turn to the Dark Side—hate-spewing assholes looking to ruin the party for everyone, and often succeeding."observer.com/2018/05/star-wars-fandom-toxic-disney-lucasfilm/amp/?__twitter_impression=true...just letting you know you may have just started World War 3. No.... Despite our vitriol on these forums, in real life I would either laugh out loud in this guy's face, or just walk by and ignore him. The article is a one sided weep. Boo hoo. Some jerk should write and publish the opposite story - it might be just as farcical. .... Disney has really fucked up, no matter how you look at it.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 18, 2018 14:29:54 GMT
The Jedi. She is teh best Jedah evu. No need for teachers, just pwn naturally. Her character could have been awesome. It just sucks so hard. People aren't born with amazing latent abilities that can shine like diamonds instantly once they decide to let them out. The artist practices. Rey Mind Tricks because it is easy. Anakin wasn't born with "amazing latent abilities"?
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2018 14:38:30 GMT
The Jedi. She is teh best Jedah evu. No need for teachers, just pwn naturally. Her character could have been awesome. It just sucks so hard. People aren't born with amazing latent abilities that can shine like diamonds instantly once they decide to let them out. The artist practices. Rey Mind Tricks because it is easy. Anakin wasn't born with "amazing latent abilities"? He is Space Jesus, until Disney Wars supposed to be the bestest. Still, he needed...... Lots of fucking training. Or did you forget? We watched him become a Jedi.... But in a Phantom Menace he was a child with amazing reflexes and a strong mind. He could fix things, and intuition told him to do "a good trick". Rey just beats a Dark Jedi and mind tricks like Obi Wan - without anyone ever talking about it, telling a story, nuthin. If you kids could use reason and logic in the slightest, this internet furor would be empty. That you needed to ask this question (and were triumphant about it, as though it weren't a weak question).... We're fucked.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 18, 2018 14:44:47 GMT
Anakin wasn't born with "amazing latent abilities"? He is Space Jesus, until Disney Wars supposed to be the bestest. Still, he needed...... Lots of fucking training. Or did you forget? We watched him become a Jedi.... But in a Phantom Menace he was a child with amazing reflexes and a strong mind. He could fix things, and intuition told him to do "a good trick". Rey just beats a Dark Jedi and mind tricks like Obi Wan - without anyone ever talking about it, telling a story, nuthin. If you kids could use reason and logic in the slightest, this internet furor would be empty. That you needed to ask this question (and were triumphant about it, as though it weren't a weak question).... We're fucked. All I'm saying that Star Wars has done it before and I'm not disagreeing with you. Luke had just a wee bit of training though before meeting Yoda and managed to pick up the saber in the snow, however.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2018 14:53:57 GMT
He is Space Jesus, until Disney Wars supposed to be the bestest. Still, he needed...... Lots of fucking training. Or did you forget? We watched him become a Jedi.... But in a Phantom Menace he was a child with amazing reflexes and a strong mind. He could fix things, and intuition told him to do "a good trick". Rey just beats a Dark Jedi and mind tricks like Obi Wan - without anyone ever talking about it, telling a story, nuthin. If you kids could use reason and logic in the slightest, this internet furor would be empty. That you needed to ask this question (and were triumphant about it, as though it weren't a weak question).... We're fucked. All I'm saying that Star Wars has done it before and I'm not disagreeing with you. Luke had just a wee bit of training though before meeting Yoda and managed to pick up the saber in the snow, however. Ok... So you are focusing on similarity? Yes, Anakin had crazy pilot skills for a child. Luke, son of Space Jesus, after some training with OWK on the Falcon (that we see), AND A FORCE GHOST VISION, is able to pull his saber 4 inches from the snow. Rey picks up a lightsaber, says hmm just like me bo staff (it really isn't), and is at level 11 instantly. Yes, Star Wars likes latent abilities. They used to need polish to work properly. Now with Jedi 2.0, we can forgo ancient knowledge, practice, training, ritual - just feel it man, and you're special too! Sorry for assuming too much from your earlier post.... Star Wars I just now realized is no longer good coffee and cigarette conversation for me
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 18, 2018 15:37:50 GMT
All I'm saying that Star Wars has done it before and I'm not disagreeing with you. Luke had just a wee bit of training though before meeting Yoda and managed to pick up the saber in the snow, however. Ok... So you are focusing on similarity? Yes, Anakin had crazy pilot skills for a child. Luke, son of Space Jesus, after some training with OWK on the Falcon (that we see), AND A FORCE GHOST VISION, is able to pull his saber 4 inches from the snow. Rey picks up a lightsaber, says hmm just like me bo staff (it really isn't), and is at level 11 instantly. Yes, Star Wars likes latent abilities. They used to need polish to work properly. Now with Jedi 2.0, we can forgo ancient knowledge, practice, training, ritual - just feel it man, and you're special too! Sorry for assuming too much from your earlier post.... Star Wars I just now realized is no longer good coffee and cigarette conversation for me My problem with Rey is well... it's been repeated at ad nauseam in this thread. I like her as a character, but her Force power explanation sucks. I mean Kylo's Force powers are explained and has proper training, but why is Rey different? I can't explain why I like 8, I just do.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2018 15:40:03 GMT
Ok... So you are focusing on similarity? Yes, Anakin had crazy pilot skills for a child. Luke, son of Space Jesus, after some training with OWK on the Falcon (that we see), AND A FORCE GHOST VISION, is able to pull his saber 4 inches from the snow. Rey picks up a lightsaber, says hmm just like me bo staff (it really isn't), and is at level 11 instantly. Yes, Star Wars likes latent abilities. They used to need polish to work properly. Now with Jedi 2.0, we can forgo ancient knowledge, practice, training, ritual - just feel it man, and you're special too! Sorry for assuming too much from your earlier post.... Star Wars I just now realized is no longer good coffee and cigarette conversation for me My problem with Rey is well... it's been repeated at ad nauseam in this thread. I like her as a character, but her Force power explanation sucks. I mean Kylo's Force powers are explained and has proper training, but why is Rey different? I can't explain why I like 8, I just do. Fair. I am glad you see that as a problem though. Star Wars is now, for me sadly, just pulp for the mill.
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Post by HK90210 on May 18, 2018 16:09:37 GMT
The Jedi. She is teh best Jedah evu. No need for teachers, just pwn naturally. Her character could have been awesome. It just sucks so hard. People aren't born with amazing latent abilities that can shine like diamonds instantly once they decide to let them out. The artist practices. Rey Mind Tricks because it is easy. Edit: ...just letting you know you may have just started World War 3. No.... Despite our vitriol on these forums, in real life I would either laugh out loud in this guy's face, or just walk by and ignore him. The article is a one sided weep. Boo hoo. Some jerk should write and publish the opposite story - it might be just as farcical. .... Disney has really fucked up, no matter how you look at it.
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Post by mybudgee on May 18, 2018 17:43:41 GMT
Ok... So you are focusing on similarity? Yes, Anakin had crazy pilot skills for a child. Luke, son of Space Jesus, after some training with OWK on the Falcon (that we see), AND A FORCE GHOST VISION, is able to pull his saber 4 inches from the snow. Rey picks up a lightsaber, says hmm just like me bo staff (it really isn't), and is at level 11 instantly. I can't explain why I like 8, I just do.
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2018 18:55:51 GMT
The Jedi. She is teh best Jedah evu. No need for teachers, just pwn naturally. Her character could have been awesome. It just sucks so hard. People aren't born with amazing latent abilities that can shine like diamonds instantly once they decide to let them out. The artist practices. Rey Mind Tricks because it is easy. Edit: ...just letting you know you may have just started World War 3. No.... Despite our vitriol on these forums, in real life I would either laugh out loud in this guy's face, or just walk by and ignore him. The article is a one sided weep. Boo hoo. Some jerk should write and publish the opposite story - it might be just as farcical. .... Disney has really fucked up, no matter how you look at it. Incorrect. She struggles to perform the most basic of Force powers, barely manages to defeat a badly wounded opponent, and has trouble against non Force Sensitive guards. The only feat she really manages effortlessly was her flying the Falcon...but that's a Star Wars staple at this point. The fact remains that the only truely impressive displays of the Force in the new movies are from other characters (Luke and Kylo) and they are, at this point in time, the far more skilled in the Force. As far for her usurping the title of best jedi ever. I wonder if Jaina, Revan or Nomi Sunrider got this treatment.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2018 19:02:12 GMT
As far for her usurping the title of best jedi ever. I wonder if Jaina, Revan or Nomi Sunrider got this treatment. Come on man. Those are EU characters from the old Republic (I have no clue who Jaina is, a Solo maybe?), it is a different era and for many primarily known through a video game. That doesn't hold the weight of a new character in the same era as Sidious, Vader and Luke - that, out-of-the box in TFA, is ubermaidchen. I didn't watch TLJ, but the damage was done in TFA.
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Post by mybudgee on May 18, 2018 19:04:09 GMT
The Jedi. She is teh best Jedah evu. No need for teachers, just pwn naturally. Her character could have been awesome. It just sucks so hard. People aren't born with amazing latent abilities that can shine like diamonds instantly once they decide to let them out. The artist practices. Rey Mind Tricks because it is easy. Edit: No.... Despite our vitriol on these forums, in real life I would either laugh out loud in this guy's face, or just walk by and ignore him. The article is a one sided weep. Boo hoo. Some jerk should write and publish the opposite story - it might be just as farcical. .... Disney has really fucked up, no matter how you look at it. Incorrect. She struggles to perform the most basic of Force powers... www.starwars.com/databank/jedi-mind-trick "an EXPERIENCED Jedi can use the Force to implant a suggestion..." Stop denying it. Please. The sequels are by retards, for retards
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2018 19:13:55 GMT
As far for her usurping the title of best jedi ever. I wonder if Jaina, Revan or Nomi Sunrider got this treatment. Come on man. Those are EU characters from the old Republic (I have no clue who Jaina is, a Solo maybe?), it is a different era and for many primarily known through a video game. That doesn't hold the weight of a new character in the same era as Sidious, Vader and Luke - that, out-of-the box in TFA, is ubermaidchen. I didn't watch TLJ, but the damage was done in TFA. Ah my bad. Still by far the most amazing uses of the Force have been done by other characters. The only things we have seen Rey do are those things that are A. Easy for people to do in the SWS universe or B. Stuff she struggled with. Fine maybe the struggle was 'too brief' but these are movies for crying out loud.
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