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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on May 18, 2018 19:17:31 GMT
Come on man. Those are EU characters from the old Republic (I have no clue who Jaina is, a Solo maybe?), it is a different era and for many primarily known through a video game. That doesn't hold the weight of a new character in the same era as Sidious, Vader and Luke - that, out-of-the box in TFA, is ubermaidchen. I didn't watch TLJ, but the damage was done in TFA. Ah my bad. Still by far the most amazing uses of the Force have been done by other characters. The only things we have seen Rey do are those things that are A. Easy for people to do in the SWS universe or B. Stuff she struggled with. Fine maybe the struggle was 'too brief' but these are movies for crying out loud. I wish you had higher expectations. This is the gap I recognize.
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Post by Nayawk on May 18, 2018 22:19:32 GMT
I don't get why people seem to be ignoring the 'the dark rises and light to meet it' line. Rey is strong because the force wills it. The light/jedi were to strong and the force willed Anakin into exsistance, Vader/sith gains the upper hand Luke pops up. The Force is all about balance.
Also Rey is a terrible Jedi. She is highly emotional, quick to anger, emotionally broken/needy and the quote Luke:
Luke: You went straight to the dark. Rey: That place was trying to show me something. Luke: It offered something you needed and you didn’t even try to stop yourself.
As for Reys 'skills', all the non-force things I think the movie explains enough to satisfy, she has spent her life fighting and surrounded/fixing Imperial ships.
As for the force skills I think she is just taking her knowledge from Ren. The force-bond isn't something we have seen before, we don't know how it works, but both my partner and I came out of these movies with the idea that she is unconsciously taking want she needs. I haven't read the novelisation, so I don't know if that is touched on, but it certainly the impression we both got independently.
Even then she is only just good enough. As others have said, she only defeats Ren because he is badly wounded and not actually trying to kill her. Her mind trick only happens after Ren tries to do the same thing to her. I think we can safely say the interrogation scene is when the force-bond kicks in. (I know Snoke claims origin of that but I think its clear we are suppose to know he is lying given it still works post Snokes death)
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Post by smilesja on May 18, 2018 22:54:43 GMT
I don't get why people seem to be ignoring the 'the dark rises and light to meet it' line. Rey is strong because the force wills it. The light/jedi were to strong and the force willed Anakin into exsistance, Vader/sith gains the upper hand Luke pops up. The Force is all about balance. Also Rey is a terrible Jedi. She is highly emotional, quick to anger, emotionally broken/needy and the quote Luke: Luke: You went straight to the dark. Rey: That place was trying to show me something. Luke: It offered something you needed and you didn’t even try to stop yourself. As for Reys 'skills', all the non-force things I think the movie explains enough to satisfy, she has spent her life fighting and surrounded/fixing Imperial ships. As for the force skills I think she is just taking her knowledge from Ren. The force-bond isn't something we have seen before, we don't know how it works, but both my partner and I came out of these movies with the idea that she is unconsciously taking want she needs. I haven't read the novelisation, so I don't know if that is touched on, but it certainly the impression we both got independently. Even then she is only just good enough. As others have said, she only defeats Ren because he is badly wounded and not actually trying to kill her. Her mind trick only happens after Ren tries to do the same thing to her. I think we can safely say the interrogation scene is when the force-bond kicks in. (I know Snoke claims origin of that but I think its clear we are suppose to know he is lying given it still works post Snokes death) And yet she's the one who will rebuild the Jedi.
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Post by masterwarderz on May 18, 2018 23:07:00 GMT
The Jedi. She is teh best Jedah evu. No need for teachers, just pwn naturally. Her character could have been awesome. It just sucks so hard. People aren't born with amazing latent abilities that can shine like diamonds instantly once they decide to let them out. The artist practices. Rey Mind Tricks because it is easy. Edit: No.... Despite our vitriol on these forums, in real life I would either laugh out loud in this guy's face, or just walk by and ignore him. The article is a one sided weep. Boo hoo. Some jerk should write and publish the opposite story - it might be just as farcical. .... Disney has really fucked up, no matter how you look at it. Incorrect. Nope. Yes, yes and...erm, Not that I was aware of.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 18, 2018 23:10:04 GMT
Incorrect. She struggles to perform the most basic of Force powers... www.starwars.com/databank/jedi-mind-trick "an EXPERIENCED Jedi can use the Force to implant a suggestion..." Stop denying it. Please. The sequels are by retards, for retardsNobody hates Star Wars more then Star Wars fans...
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2018 23:20:29 GMT
I really don't think it would have worked that way. Poe was a hothead and what would a hothead do when presented with a risky, passive plan like that? Exactly what he did in the movie. Sadly though they had to portray Holdo as one of those incompetent officers who hides pertinent information from their subordinates 'just because' only to have her have such a character turn around at the last minute it gave me whiplash! *throws something*
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Post by colfoley on May 18, 2018 23:22:53 GMT
Nobody hates Star Wars more then Star Wars fans... Grumpy hippy Luke is best Luke.
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Post by HK90210 on May 18, 2018 23:49:49 GMT
Grumpy hippy Luke is best Luke. Yeah....no. "Leia saw Luke’s gaze flicker from Ben to Tahiri and Jaina, then to Ohali and herself—from the youngest generation of modern Jedi to the eldest—and she felt the calm that came to him in the Force. Luke had done his work well. The Jedi Order was strong and vigorous. The time had come for him to step out of the way, to let his creation grow into something larger than himself."
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Post by Nayawk on May 19, 2018 0:07:57 GMT
I don't get why people seem to be ignoring the 'the dark rises and light to meet it' line. Rey is strong because the force wills it. The light/jedi were to strong and the force willed Anakin into exsistance, Vader/sith gains the upper hand Luke pops up. The Force is all about balance. Also Rey is a terrible Jedi. She is highly emotional, quick to anger, emotionally broken/needy and the quote Luke: Luke: You went straight to the dark. Rey: That place was trying to show me something. Luke: It offered something you needed and you didn’t even try to stop yourself. As for Reys 'skills', all the non-force things I think the movie explains enough to satisfy, she has spent her life fighting and surrounded/fixing Imperial ships. As for the force skills I think she is just taking her knowledge from Ren. The force-bond isn't something we have seen before, we don't know how it works, but both my partner and I came out of these movies with the idea that she is unconsciously taking want she needs. I haven't read the novelisation, so I don't know if that is touched on, but it certainly the impression we both got independently. Even then she is only just good enough. As others have said, she only defeats Ren because he is badly wounded and not actually trying to kill her. Her mind trick only happens after Ren tries to do the same thing to her. I think we can safely say the interrogation scene is when the force-bond kicks in. (I know Snoke claims origin of that but I think its clear we are suppose to know he is lying given it still works post Snokes death) And yet she's the one who will rebuild the Jedi. We don't know she is rebuilding anything yet. It's only part 2 of 3 and if she does rebuild something (I agree she most likely will) I don't think you can call them Jedi. Luke was most definitely the last 'Jedi' as far as it pertains to the quasi-religious organization that went before.
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2018 1:13:32 GMT
Grumpy hippy Luke is best Luke. Yeah....no. "Leia saw Luke’s gaze flicker from Ben to Tahiri and Jaina, then to Ohali and herself—from the youngest generation of modern Jedi to the eldest—and she felt the calm that came to him in the Force. Luke had done his work well. The Jedi Order was strong and vigorous. The time had come for him to step out of the way, to let his creation grow into something larger than himself." Perfection is boring.
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Post by Terminator Force on May 19, 2018 1:39:51 GMT
Yeah....no. *snip* "Leia saw Luke’s gaze flicker from Ben to Tahiri and Jaina, then to Ohali and herself—from the youngest generation of modern Jedi to the eldest—and she felt the calm that came to him in the Force. Luke had done his work well. The Jedi Order was strong and vigorous. The time had come for him to step out of the way, to let his creation grow into something larger than himself." *snip Perfection is boring. Uhm, you forget about Rey already?
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Post by mybudgee on May 19, 2018 8:05:16 GMT
I don't get why people seem to be ignoring the 'the dark rises and light to meet it' line. Rey is strong because the force wills it. The light/jedi were to strong and the force willed Anakin into exsistance, Vader/sith gains the upper hand Luke pops up. The Force is all about balance. Also Rey is a terrible Jedi. She is highly emotional, quick to anger, emotionally broken/needy and the quote Luke: Luke: You went straight to the dark. Rey: That place was trying to show me something. Luke: It offered something you needed and you didn’t even try to stop yourself. As for Reys 'skills', all the non-force things I think the movie explains enough to satisfy, she has spent her life fighting and surrounded/fixing Imperial ships. As for the force skills I think she is just taking her knowledge from Ren. The force-bond isn't something we have seen before, we don't know how it works, but both my partner and I came out of these movies with the idea that she is unconsciously taking want she needs. I haven't read the novelisation, so I don't know if that is touched on, but it certainly the impression we both got independently. Even then she is only just good enough. As others have said, she only defeats Ren because he is badly wounded and not actually trying to kill her. Her mind trick only happens after Ren tries to do the same thing to her. I think we can safely say the interrogation scene is when the force-bond kicks in. (I know Snoke claims origin of that but I think its clear we are suppose to know he is lying given it still works post Snokes death) And yet she's the one who will rebuild the Jedi.
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2018 8:10:21 GMT
You people realize that predicting things would go to the normal 'Star Wars' way is what got us in this mess in the first place? I remember calls of "Rey Must be related to someone! She must be the daughter of Luke, Leia, or even Obi-Wan!"
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 8:17:20 GMT
The mental gymnastics peöple have tö dö tö make excuses för this mövie and the characters in it are hilariöus.
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Post by colfoley on May 19, 2018 8:21:39 GMT
The mental gymnastics peöple have tö dö tö make excuses för this mövie and the characters in it are hilariöus. Or saying that Rey WILL rebuild the Jedi order as a matter of certainty is silly given how different Lucasfilm is trying to make these movies from our expectations...
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Post by Terminator Force on May 19, 2018 9:50:43 GMT
The mental gymnastics peöple have tö dö tö make excuses för this mövie and the characters in it are hilariöus. Same deal with globers and the ball Earth. It's called cognitive dissonance. It can take up to a year or more to shake it off. At least that's how long it took me to accept the moon landing as an obvious hoax.
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 19, 2018 9:52:52 GMT
The mental gymnastics peöple have tö dö tö make excuses för this mövie and the characters in it are hilariöus. Same deal with globers and the ball Earth. It's called cognitive dissonance. It can take up to a year or more to shake it off. At least that's how long it took me to accept the moon landing as an obvious hoax. Of course you think it it's a hoax...
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Post by Andrew Waples on May 19, 2018 9:57:00 GMT
The mental gymnastics peöple have tö dö tö make excuses för this mövie and the characters in it are hilariöus. You know 5 months out and people are still bitching about this movie...hell Solo comes out next week. Says a lot about Solo quite frankly.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2018 14:46:06 GMT
The mental gymnastics peöple have tö dö tö make excuses för this mövie and the characters in it are hilariöus. You know 5 months out and people are still bitching about this movie...hell Solo comes out next week. Says a lot about Solo quite frankly. Because it is wörse than Highlander II the quickening.
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Post by mybudgee on May 19, 2018 18:22:44 GMT
The mental gymnastics peöple have tö dö tö make excuses för this mövie and the characters in it are hilariöus. Or saying that Rey WILL rebuild the Jedi order as a matter of certainty is silly given how different Lucasfilm is trying to make these movies from our expectations... Not true anymore. I expect episode 9 to be somehow even worse than ep. 8 I expect the plot to be 80% nonsense and the "new characters" to be SJW-trope fantasies, with rainbow hair & bitterness towards the male characters for no apparent reason I expect it to make lifelong fans of the franchise like myself nauseous & sad
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on May 19, 2018 19:49:27 GMT
You know 5 months out and people are still bitching about this movie...hell Solo comes out next week. Says a lot about Solo quite frankly. Because it is wörse than Highlander II the quickening. Hmm...
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Post by Nayawk on May 19, 2018 22:20:36 GMT
I'm not sure what the problem is with Lando being pansexual.
Is it the fact there are news stories about it or the fact that he is? Because shameless flirts who come on to absolutely everything that moves is kind of a stable of that bar fly archetype Landos character plays into and there is nothing in the OT that directly contradicts it being true.
So apart from the usual sjw whargarble that seems to be the go to defence here what is the actual in-universe problem with Lando being pan?
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Post by mybudgee on May 20, 2018 0:29:54 GMT
Because it is wörse than Highlander II the quickening. Hmm... God I miss the 90s
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