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Post by regack on Oct 15, 2018 16:10:47 GMT
Well, when you use terms like NuShit, then yes. You are damaging Star Wars for us. Uh-huh. So criticism, even if less than 100% constructive, is "damaging" these days. Boy, the world we live in... Oh yeah, and I also reject that "nuShit" is damaging to Star Wars as it is not being applied to Star Wars, but rather Mickey Wars. Unless you mean nuShit/Mickey Wars is damaging to Star Wars because it has replaced it. In which case, yes. This seems relevant, not to star wars, but just in general to what you were saying.
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Post by mybudgee on Oct 15, 2018 16:23:16 GMT
I for one am just really allergic to the term "toxic" in these sorts of contexts. It's so knee-jerk reactionary and dismissive, it just shuts down discussion, regardless of any progress made.Granted there isn't likely to be much progress here, you either like Mickey Wars or you don't. Still, don't like that word. Let's be honest; it's a term children use when they are overwhelmed by their first real debate Grow up people
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 17:17:42 GMT
You are damaging Star Wars for us.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 15, 2018 17:34:27 GMT
Him and the entire plot twist being, after significant thought given to the mess, "Everyone betrays everyone."
Seriously, is there someone who didn't betray everyone else, or otherwise convolutedly tricked them? I think Chewie might have been one, but I can't tell with the convoluted mess it is.
Yeah that was a bit excessive... in case of Woody's character (can't even remember his name), both the mock betrayal and the real one was so lame. I was hoping they wouldn't do it but oh well. The girlfriend at the end was too much. Mock betrayal was transparent as fuck too. But then the reason why she really did in the end was kind of odd. My guess was she was basically fucked, stuck in a hopeless situation of servitude to scary people. So she betrayed Han to save herself while still giving him time to get away for now? I dunno, it's such a forgettable film. It doesn't matter.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 15, 2018 17:48:10 GMT
First - how am I damaging Star Wars? Does my criticism of the NuShit destroy your appetite for more? Does it make you not care about Star Wars as much, because on this one forum you go to people are mean and don't see your truth? Well, when you use terms like NuShit, then yes. You are damaging Star Wars for us. I don't agree. Look, any movie is going to have folks who think it's shit and folks who think it's great. There's really no reason to take it personally if someone doesn't like something you like. People who like the movie, by all means make your arguments. People who don't like the movie, by all means make your arguments. And just agree to disagree, like grownups.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 15, 2018 17:55:14 GMT
This thread is now comedy gold; I have nothing more to say. But again I break the mold, To hell with EA. ...
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Post by mybudgee on Oct 15, 2018 18:00:00 GMT
Him and the entire plot twist being, after significant thought given to the mess, "Everyone betrays everyone."
Seriously, is there someone who didn't betray everyone else, or otherwise convolutedly tricked them? I think Chewie might have been one, but I can't tell with the convoluted mess it is.
Yeah that was a bit excessive... in case of Woody's character (can't even remember his name), both the mock betrayal and the real one was so lame. I was hoping they wouldn't do it but oh well. The girlfriend at the end was too much. Mock betrayal was transparent as fuck too. But then the reason why she really did in the end was kind of odd. My guess was she was basically fucked, stuck in a hopeless situation of servitude to scary people. So she betrayed Han to save herself while still giving him time to get away for now? I dunno, it's such a forgettable film. It doesn't matter.
Much of this is true, but one thing about the Chewie movie; it felt like Star Wars. The plot (mostly) made sense and was entertaining. Cannot say that about ep. 8
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 15, 2018 18:01:56 GMT
First - how am I damaging Star Wars? Does my criticism of the NuShit destroy your appetite for more? Does it make you not care about Star Wars as much, because on this one forum you go to people are mean and don't see your truth? Well, when you use terms like NuShit, then yes. You are damaging Star Wars for us.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 15, 2018 18:06:05 GMT
Much of this is true, but one thing about the Chewie movie; it felt like Star Wars. The plot (mostly) made sense and was entertaining. Cannot say that about ep. 8 Interesting. I thought it didn't particularly feel like Star Wars. Definitely way less than Rogue One. But then again I don't even know anymore what that means. They should never have made more movies after the first trilogy. It's like that god-awful X Files revival. Can't recapture the magic. Just makes you sad.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 15, 2018 18:08:12 GMT
Well, when you use terms like NuShit, then yes. You are damaging Star Wars for us.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 15, 2018 19:35:49 GMT
The "Holdo Maneuver"...
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 15, 2018 19:38:36 GMT
I don't agree. Look, any movie is going to have folks who think it's shit and folks who think it's great. There's really no reason to take it personally if someone doesn't like something you like. People who like the movie, by all means make your arguments. People who don't like the movie, by all means make your arguments. And just agree to disagree, like grownups. I can do that. I can agree to disagree with people who think the new Star Wars movies are bad. What I cannot tolerate are bullies who demean the fact that people like them. You tell people who like the new stuff to agree to disagree like grownups. That same mentality should go back to the people who don't like the new stuff.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 15, 2018 19:42:42 GMT
I don't agree. Look, any movie is going to have folks who think it's shit and folks who think it's great. There's really no reason to take it personally if someone doesn't like something you like. People who like the movie, by all means make your arguments. People who don't like the movie, by all means make your arguments. And just agree to disagree, like grownups. I can do that. I can agree to disagree with people who think the new Star Wars movies are bad. What I cannot tolerate are bullies who demean the fact that people like them. You tell people who like the new stuff to agree to disagree like grownups. That same mentality should go back to the people who don't like the new stuff. Actually, I said more than that.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 15, 2018 19:43:56 GMT
Actually, I said more than that. My point still stands.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 15, 2018 19:46:13 GMT
Actually, I said more than that. My point still stands. You just repeated my point and ignored that I already covered yours.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 15, 2018 19:54:10 GMT
You just repeated my point and ignored that I already covered yours. You might be a guy who touts his Lucas Forum exp more then is credible but erm, you got a point a here.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 15, 2018 19:55:07 GMT
Truth is, I have this mental problem where I have lots of trouble understanding between whether somebody's joking or if they're being serious. So it's very hard for me to navigate through this thread without understanding if people are seriously insulting the new Star Wars and the fans of new Star Wars, or if they're just joking around.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 15, 2018 19:56:43 GMT
You just repeated my point and ignored that I already covered yours. You might be a guy who touts his Lucas Forum exp more then is credible but erm, you got a point a here. Interesting, I'm wondering what I said that was so hard to believe. PM me about it if you feel like it, so we don't derail the thread.
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Post by masterwarderz on Oct 15, 2018 20:09:47 GMT
You might be a guy who touts his Lucas Forum exp more then is credible but erm, you got a point a here. Interesting, I'm wondering what I said that was so hard to believe. Lucas Art's and Lucas's himself stance on the layering of Canon back during the days of the old EU, because you disagreed with the assertion that LA actually had a layer of canon and that Lucas himself just dismissed the entire thing. Which I know for a fact isn't true.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 15, 2018 20:14:56 GMT
Interesting, I'm wondering what I said that was so hard to believe. Lucas Art's and Lucas's himself stance on the layering of Canon back during the days of the old EU, because you disagreed with the assertion that LA actually had a layer of canon and that Lucas himself just dismissed the entire thing. Which I know for a fact isn't true. I have no dog in the fight. Just repeating what the Lucasfilm employees said to us when we were modding during the wind-up to The Phantom Menace. They came to us with stuff like that. For instance we were also told to be on the lookout for trolls posting Natalie Portmans' real last name - Lucasfilm wanted to keep that private at the request of the family.
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Post by Serza on Oct 15, 2018 21:07:18 GMT
This thread is now comedy gold; I have nothing more to say. But again I break the mold, To hell with EA. ...
I wish I was quite as certain as you are.
Unfortunately, I'm a bit conflicted. I genuinely liked a few games from the relatively recent years that EA funded (yes, funded, not made).
I don't think it's fully set in yet. What are the five stages of grief, again? I'm sure denial is one of them. This does seem like denial ("Nah, they couldn't have, could they? They really could have. It makes perfect sense. But why would they?" - literally me trying to rationalize this). Question is if I'll go any further here. Only time will tell.
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Post by river82 on Oct 15, 2018 21:23:12 GMT
First - how am I damaging Star Wars? Does my criticism of the NuShit destroy your appetite for more? Does it make you not care about Star Wars as much, because on this one forum you go to people are mean and don't see your truth? Well, when you use terms like NuShit, then yes. You are damaging Star Wars for us. In today's world if you call something "shit" then you're a problem fan who's damaging the franchise. This is what safe spaces do for people, folks. This is the sort of attitude it encourages. I think all the movies are different brands of shit and als- oh no, Star Wars is melting! What have I done! Curse my foul opinions, I've destroyed Star Wars for all of us.
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Post by river82 on Oct 15, 2018 21:34:15 GMT
I can do that. I can agree to disagree with people who think the new Star Wars movies are bad. What I cannot tolerate are bullies who demean the fact that people like them. You tell people who like the new stuff to agree to disagree like grownups. That same mentality should go back to the people who don't like the new stuff. Fair enough I suppose. What I will say that there is context around this, if you feel demeaned, how do you think people who are being dismissed as "Russian bots" feel? I mean, at the very least when you (the writers, etc.) tear a franchise apart under the guise of "subverting expectations", at least have the decency to recognize the fact that a substantial amount of people dislike your handling of the franchise. Sure, they can dismiss those people as "Russian bots", but they in turn will be dismissed as "NPC's". People are not idiots, "Russian bots" aren't good enough to subvert the like-to-dislike ratio of everything related to SW:TLJ on YT and anywhere else, Russian bots aren't responsible for the sheer amount of people posting their frustrations with the handling of the franchise online. I'm not mad because someone said something mean to me, I couldn't give a crap about that, it's just that this type of escalation is going to have consequences, and even people who are otherwise more inclined to politely disagree, might decide to say "fuck it", and join the mayhem.Personally I try to avoid engaging in this too much, and when I do I try to stay rational. Try as I might I guess it's hard to completely disconnect from a franchise I've been a fan off for a long long time. I was firmly in Rian Johnson's camp for a long time. I didn't enjoy the movie, but I didn't think it was worse than the prequels. Then Lucasfilm, Rian Johnson, Chuck Wendig et al organised a campaign, along with the media, to demonise the fanbase. Once they did that I stopped defending them.
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Post by Serza on Oct 15, 2018 21:50:14 GMT
Well...
The Prequels were always better than the Sequels, IMHO.
I might even - By the Emperor, Heresy! - prefer the Prequels to IV/V/VI.
...Old Republic would have won any day.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 15, 2018 22:00:31 GMT
Was about to derail thread, will PM instead. I have appointed myself arbiter. The Selkath are fine with this. I will unravel the mystery of LF... I didn't know anyone spouted more about that place than me As for feelings... I have a feeling. For reference: Fast forward to 5:30 For the record, I do not appear in this video. These are purebred Star Wars fans from Wisconsin, Darth Cheddar.
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