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Post by regack on Oct 21, 2018 23:48:12 GMT
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It's clearly a joke that Heimdall himself liked. There's no need to stir up drama when there is none folks. You also are under possible expulsion from the Jedi order, young lady. Watch yourself, we're wanted men! Pffft, you probably only have the death sentence on 11 systems. Git gud.I got so ninja'd, I must have spent the last 1000 years in a sarlacc pit... but I'm going to leave this here, as fair warning for anyone else who makes the same mistake.
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Post by HK90210 on Oct 22, 2018 1:09:28 GMT
Well, you better be careful.... Or you'll be dead! The above is not a threat against Serza's life, or anyone elses. This is called quoting movies This little one is not worth the effort. Come let me get you something. No blasters! No blasters!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 22, 2018 1:12:06 GMT
Pffft, the next thing you'll say is you're wanted in more than twelve systems...
Well, you better be careful.... Or you'll be dead! The above is not a threat against Serza's life, or anyone elses. This is called quoting movies Just don't wrap your buddy into this.
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Post by HK90210 on Oct 22, 2018 1:13:40 GMT
Well, you better be careful.... Or you'll be dead! The above is not a threat against Serza's life, or anyone elses. This is called quoting movies Just don't wrap your buddy into this.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Oct 22, 2018 7:01:19 GMT
This little one is not worth the effort. Come let me get you something. No blasters! No blasters! Your bar sign made no mention of lightsabers.
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Post by Serza on Oct 22, 2018 8:50:37 GMT
Oh, Rogue One.
About the only movie genuinely good on it's own that Disney Wars put out.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Oct 22, 2018 9:02:30 GMT
I'm not a hardcore star wars fan like the rest of you, but I love that the new series confirms Poe's tendency to make shit choices.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 22, 2018 15:29:48 GMT
Oh, Rogue One. About the only movie genuinely good on it's own that Disney Wars put out. It was genuinely OK. I didn't hate it, and parts of it held interest (that they managed to either underdevelop or just drop) - but it was a bit boring, which Star Wars never was for me until TFA. Boredom is a crime. I do agree that it is far and away the best NuWars product.
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Post by Serza on Oct 22, 2018 15:46:26 GMT
Oh, Rogue One. About the only movie genuinely good on it's own that Disney Wars put out. It was genuinely OK. I didn't hate it, and parts of it held interest (that they managed to either underdevelop or just drop) - but it was a bit boring, which Star Wars never was for me until TFA. Boredom is a crime. I do agree that it is far and away the best NuWars product.
I think I may have liked it precisely for the reason that it felt like a war movie first (maybe Band of Brothers or Generation Kill, perhaps Saving Private Ryan and such for influence) and SW movie second.
It was genuinely a good war movie that just happened to be in the SW universe. Which... really isn't encouraging for the team that made it, is it.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Oct 22, 2018 16:11:03 GMT
It was genuinely OK. I didn't hate it, and parts of it held interest (that they managed to either underdevelop or just drop) - but it was a bit boring, which Star Wars never was for me until TFA. Boredom is a crime. I do agree that it is far and away the best NuWars product.
I think I may have liked it precisely for the reason that it felt like a war movie first (maybe Band of Brothers or Generation Kill, perhaps Saving Private Ryan and such for influence) and SW movie second.
It was genuinely a good war movie that just happened to be in the SW universe. Which... really isn't encouraging for the team that made it, is it.
Yes... It was a little bit slow moving, and at times somehow reminded me of Bridge Over the River Kwai... Not in substance or action, but in feel. But it was a good war movie, and that's why it worked. Still, as a Star Wars property, it could have been more.
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Post by Radec on Oct 22, 2018 16:13:29 GMT
I'm not a hardcore star wars fan like the rest of you, but I love that the new series confirms Poe's tendency to make shit choices. He arguably did everything right. 1) if he hadn't sacrificed a the bomber squadron (couple dozen small ships and crew) to take out the Dreadnaught (crew of hundreds of thousands, along with several fighter squadrons) in the most obviously advantageous strategic trade ever, it'd have used its heavy long range cannons to simply destroy the purple hair and her fleet while she tried to run away in the slow chase later (shoulda done this while the bombers were approaching but I guess they had a computer glitch or something). 2) Purple hair's secret plan ends up being retarded anyway, since the First Order has windows and the "cloaking" is only a sensor technology that can be defeated by a 16th century pirate spyglass at the range the chase scene takes place at (this is actually shown later via a magnifying glass thing in Gollum's throne room). Now what they were getting at is that Poe's plan fails too (because of an irrelevant non character that Finn/Rose only were forced to hire instead of the actual hacker because they're dumb and illegally parked their ship then got thrown in jail), but the gravity of Benecio del Toro's betrayal only makes sense in the case that the First Order for some reason wasn't already having a couple stormtroopers trade watches looking through the spyglass for little transports coming out of the big Mon Calamari cruiser. But then shooting holes in the idiot plot is old hat by now. Just watch the pretty CGI explosions and laugh at the bad jokes pls.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 16:17:13 GMT
Oh, Rogue One. About the only movie genuinely good on it's own that Disney Wars put out. I liked Rogue One as well (have it on DVD) but it has it's flaws as to me it feels as if some of the plot is missing. For example the whole thing between Saw and Jyn was never fully explained. But there is only so much you can cram into a 2 hour movie. Vader being such a badass near the end was well worth the purchase price
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 22, 2018 18:26:53 GMT
I personally enjoy NuWars. Not as good as the originals, but I feel that are some good ideas in there, but unfortunately you have to deal with some writing issues and bad character development. Not that the character development in the original Star Wars was that great anyway.
Personally, I just hope Disney's Star Wars does get better, and the filmmakers and executives learn from the mistakes of their rough start and properly give us good Star Wars experiences. Then again, Star Wars was pretty much lightning in a bottle, and I don't think any Filmmaker will ever properly recapture what made Star Wars awesome in the first place.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 22, 2018 19:10:11 GMT
I feel really bad for Poe Dameron because I kind of want to like him as a character. In TFA, while he didn't have much screen-time, he seemed like a cool guy who had potential to grow. But then in TLJ, whenever they tried to subvert expectations or try to work with their moral of learning to "accept Failure and keep going" (which BTW, great lesson but badly presented), they ended up making Poe look like a huge idiot!
Like I said, I want to like this character. I just wish he was given a better script.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 22, 2018 19:14:13 GMT
I feel really bad for Poe Dameron because I kind of want to like him as a character. In TFA, while he didn't have much screen-time, he seemed like a cool guy who had potential to grow. But then in TLJ, whenever they tried to subvert expectations or try to work with their moral of learning to "accept Failure and keep going" (which BTW, great lesson but badly presented), they ended up making Poe look like a huge idiot! Like I said, I want to like this character. I just wish he was given a better script. For me, that kinda goes for most of the characters. Just like the characters in A New Hope - I wanted to like them (and was given reason to). I gave these movies and characters the benefit of the doubt and it didn't work out, sadly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 19:14:30 GMT
He arguably did everything right. I saw arguments claiming that the dynamic between him and admiral Tumblr was orchestrated in order to emasculate the classic portrayal of a male ace pilot who always saves the day etc. Which is something that I find fairly plausible considering the general political leaning of the people in charge and Rian's obsession with "subverting expectations". You mean Rian's obsession with "making crappy movies disguised as subverting expectations"
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 22, 2018 19:32:46 GMT
I feel really bad for Poe Dameron because I kind of want to like him as a character. In TFA, while he didn't have much screen-time, he seemed like a cool guy who had potential to grow. But then in TLJ, whenever they tried to subvert expectations or try to work with their moral of learning to "accept Failure and keep going" (which BTW, great lesson but badly presented), they ended up making Poe look like a huge idiot! Like I said, I want to like this character. I just wish he was given a better script. For me, that kinda goes for most of the characters. Just like the characters in A New Hope - I wanted to like them (and was given reason to). I gave these movies and characters the benefit of the doubt and it didn't work out, sadly. I think as Star Wars fans, we need to accept the sad truth that while the characters may be likable, they are NOT the best-written characters in cinema. Luke, Han, and Leia may have been neat characters, and the fact that people look up to them is inspiring. But at the same time, we shouldn't act like they have flawless character-arcs. Even in the original trilogy, they were moments where the "character development" felt forced, like Luke's immediate 180-turn from "I don't want to leave," to "I'm going with you," after the death of his aunt and uncle. Or how Leia and Han spent their entire screen-time in a New Hope and half of Empire bickering with each other before suddenly deciding they're in love. There's plenty to love in Star Wars, including the characters, but to treat their clunky character arcs as perfect and a prime example of how they SHOULD be, is honestly just wrong. At least, in my personal opinion.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Oct 22, 2018 19:40:25 GMT
For me, that kinda goes for most of the characters. Just like the characters in A New Hope - I wanted to like them (and was given reason to). I gave these movies and characters the benefit of the doubt and it didn't work out, sadly. I think as Star Wars fans, we need to accept the sad truth that while the characters may be likable, they are NOT the best-written characters in cinema. Luke, Han, and Leia may have been neat characters, and the fact that people look up to them is inspiring. But at the same time, we shouldn't act like they have flawless character-arcs. Even in the original trilogy, they were moments where the "character development" felt forced, like Luke's immediate 180-turn from "I don't want to leave," to "I'm going with you," after the death of his aunt and uncle. Or how Leia and Han spent their entire screen-time in a New Hope and half of Empire bickering with each other before suddenly deciding they're in love. There's plenty to love in Star Wars, including the characters, but to treat their clunky character arcs as perfect and a prime example of how they SHOULD be, is honestly just wrong. At least, in my personal opinion. Luke had nothing left on Tatooine and likely didn't want to stick around a place where everything would remind him of home the burned corpses of his family. Plus some desire to pay the Empire back in kind, probably. As for Han/Leia, see Slap-Slap-Kiss, Belligerent Sexual Tension and about a half dozen other tropes that perfectly map it and are older than dirt. There's no such thing as "perfect characters" so that line or argumentation is pointless. But there is nothing "forced" about the character development in the OT. Everything fits.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Oct 22, 2018 19:40:58 GMT
For me, that kinda goes for most of the characters. Just like the characters in A New Hope - I wanted to like them (and was given reason to). I gave these movies and characters the benefit of the doubt and it didn't work out, sadly. I think as Star Wars fans, we need to accept the sad truth that while the characters may be likable, they are NOT the best-written characters in cinema. Luke, Han, and Leia may have been neat characters, and the fact that people look up to them is inspiring. But at the same time, we shouldn't act like they have flawless character-arcs. Even in the original trilogy, they were moments where the "character development" felt forced, like Luke's immediate 180-turn from "I don't want to leave," to "I'm going with you," after the death of his aunt and uncle. Or how Leia and Han spent their entire screen-time in a New Hope and half of Empire bickering with each other before suddenly deciding they're in love. There's plenty to love in Star Wars, including the characters, but to treat their clunky character arcs as perfect and a prime example of how they SHOULD be, is honestly just wrong. At least, in my personal opinion. Eh, didn't say I thought the original characters or stories were perfect. However, I did (and do) love those characters and stories. Millions did. The evidence for that is obviously all over the place. They're so beloved they became part of our culture. Though Luke's immediate 180 degree turn was entirely plausible. He was already chaffing to leave. Then his "parents" were killed and the Empire was looking for the droids he had - which didn't bode well for him either. Even if he dropped the droids off somewhere the Empire would consider him a loose end - after all he could have seen the data on the R2 unit. Leaving was just a good idea. Then there was also the mystery of the Force and Ben Kenobi's knowledge of his real father tempting him to follow Kenobi off-planet as well.
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Post by Melra on Oct 22, 2018 19:55:34 GMT
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 22, 2018 19:55:41 GMT
I think as Star Wars fans, we need to accept the sad truth that while the characters may be likable, they are NOT the best-written characters in cinema. Luke, Han, and Leia may have been neat characters, and the fact that people look up to them is inspiring. But at the same time, we shouldn't act like they have flawless character-arcs. Even in the original trilogy, they were moments where the "character development" felt forced, like Luke's immediate 180-turn from "I don't want to leave," to "I'm going with you," after the death of his aunt and uncle. Or how Leia and Han spent their entire screen-time in a New Hope and half of Empire bickering with each other before suddenly deciding they're in love. There's plenty to love in Star Wars, including the characters, but to treat their clunky character arcs as perfect and a prime example of how they SHOULD be, is honestly just wrong. At least, in my personal opinion. Eh, didn't say I thought the original characters or stories were perfect. However, I did (and do) love those characters and stories. Millions did. The evidence for that is obviously all over the place. They're so beloved they became part of our culture. Though Luke's immediate 180 degree turn was entirely plausible. He was already chaffing to leave. Then his "parents" were killed and the Empire was looking for the droids he had - which didn't bode well for him either. Even if he dropped the droids off somewhere the Empire would consider him a loose end - after all he could have seen the data on the RS unit. Leaving was just a good idea. Bear in mind, I didn't think you thought the original characters or stories were perfect. I was kind of agreeing with your thought of how you wanted to like the characters in a New Hope but couldn't. And I'm not upset that millions of people love the characters and stories. I'm just upset that some people aren't willing to admit that the original movies had legitimate problems with their character development and storytelling, claiming that the stories in Star Wars are flawless examples of storytelling. As you mention here, practically, Luke deciding to leave Tattooine does kind of make sense from the idea of how his personal safety would be at risk. But the part that doesn't make huge sense to me is his desire to learn to be a Jedi. I realized he just learned his father was a Jedi night, but considering how he personally felt that there was "nothing he could do," I find it rather odd he would immediately decide to train to be a special warrior that, for all he knows, he isn't cut out to be one.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 22, 2018 19:58:13 GMT
Maybe this is my own personal opinion, but I'm personally not a fan of those tropes, so I'm probably biased and can't get behind this development.
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