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Post by river82 on Dec 18, 2019 6:46:49 GMT
Reactions are coming in. Personal concerns are that JJ packed so much into the film that he sacrificed pacing, like what happened in the 3rd Toby Maguire Spiderman movie. I like slower paced media. But anyway that's not what's ... interesting. Make of these tweets what you will: Source: www.pedestrian.tv/film-tv/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-takes/
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Post by colfoley on Dec 18, 2019 6:48:35 GMT
Reactions are coming in. Personal concerns are that JJ packed so much into the film that he sacrificed pacing, like what happened in the 3rd Toby Maguire Spiderman movie. I like slower paced media. But anyway that's not what's ... interesting. Make of these tweets what you will: Source: www.pedestrian.tv/film-tv/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-takes/... Wonderbar.
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Post by Lavochkin on Dec 18, 2019 8:30:27 GMT
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Post by river82 on Dec 18, 2019 8:52:05 GMT
Yep, that's what I feared. Cramming way too much into far too short a time frame. I hate when they do that, really kills the experience.
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Post by river82 on Dec 18, 2019 9:00:48 GMT
"Oh you were moving towards damage control. That was sloppily executed. Congrats" Jahns cracks me up
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Post by river82 on Dec 18, 2019 9:23:24 GMT
Another review
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Post by river82 on Dec 18, 2019 9:37:28 GMT
So this guy really likes the show and lists it as probably his favorite of the trilogy. He likes the fast paced nature of the film (ugh) and loved the fanservice (Scott Mendelson did not love the fanservice ) I'm starting to think this film is going to be, once again, hella divisive
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 18, 2019 10:05:30 GMT
Looks like it's just like the prequels? Two disappointing movies and then a somewhat redeeming one trying to catch up?
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Post by Iakus on Dec 18, 2019 14:03:48 GMT
Compared to Yoda? Yeah, Jake Skywalker is a pathetic loser. I don’t see the difference. Both are important lessons. The lessons are mutually exclusive. "Be a Jedi. Trust the Force" vs "Give up. None of your accomplishments mean anything"
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Post by Iakus on Dec 18, 2019 14:15:37 GMT
Well, I guess it IS a bold move to bank on nostalgia after sh*tting all over Luke and Han... Chutzpah, if nothing else...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 18, 2019 15:01:59 GMT
I don’t see the difference. Both are important lessons. The lessons are mutually exclusive. "Be a Jedi. Trust the Force" vs "Give up. None of your accomplishments mean anything" Thats not what either lesson was.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 18, 2019 16:12:20 GMT
The lessons are mutually exclusive. "Be a Jedi. Trust the Force" vs "Give up. None of your accomplishments mean anything" Thats not what either lesson was. That's exactly what the lessons were. Yoda was showing Luke what a powerful ally the Force can be, how it's everywhere, guiding you, binding the galaxy together, and how a Jedi can perform truly amazing feats with it at your side. Luke's "lesson" otoh: And I will never, ever forgive Rian Johnson or Disney for this.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 18, 2019 16:35:10 GMT
Thats not what either lesson was. That's exactly what the lessons were. Yoda was showing Luke what a powerful ally the Force can be, how it's everywhere, guiding you, binding the galaxy together, and how a Jedi can perform truly amazing feats with it at your side. Luke's "lesson" otoh: And I will never, ever forgive Rian Johnson or Disney for this. Then your bias blinds you to the actual scene. Enjoy your delusions. I see there being no point in trying to discuss with you. It’s like debating a Flat Earther at this point.
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Post by Vortex13 on Dec 18, 2019 16:47:16 GMT
"From my point of view the Jedi are evil"
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 18, 2019 16:51:30 GMT
The whole scene with Rose "freeing" the poor, abused horse-goats; amid the whole anti-capitalism message that was Canto Bite; also reeked of the rank hypocrisy that can normally be found in hyper-activist PETA members. Great job Rose at letting out those domesticated animals, who will all likely be hunted down and killed for the damage they caused and the potential danger they pose to citizens, while you completely ignore the child slavery happening literally right in front of you. [img src=" i.pinimg.com/originals/79/d1/f1/79d1f1c6bf3aa3158dd617625f7d21b6.jpg
Finn finds the resolve to sacrifice his life via kamikaze attack to save his friends by delaying the FO's advance on the Resistance's bunker, but Rose took issue with that. After trailling Finn's ship by dozens of yards she accelerates her vehicle to near Looney Toon speeds, and thwarts Finn's sudoku attempt by crashing into his vehicle. Afterward when confronted by a bewildered Finn about her actions that doomed the Resistance Rose responded with the above statement which was quickly followed by an unwanted smooch. A smooch similar to the one that a thirsty Madonna had sexually assaulted a visibly disgusted, and disturbed Drake on national television with.
Now back to Rose's rationale, taking her speech at face value requires us to ignore the circumstances surrounding the sacrifices of her sister, and Admiral Holdo which mirrored Finn's sudoku attempt, the framing of Finn's character and actions as selfish, while completely ignoring his character development from TFA. Then Luke appears and sacrifices himself, like Holdo and Rose's sister, to save the last of the Resistance survivors which further shits on her message which is completely divorced from the film's overarching narrative.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 18, 2019 16:51:52 GMT
That's exactly what the lessons were. Yoda was showing Luke what a powerful ally the Force can be, how it's everywhere, guiding you, binding the galaxy together, and how a Jedi can perform truly amazing feats with it at your side. Luke's "lesson" otoh: And I will never, ever forgive Rian Johnson or Disney for this. Then your bias blinds you to the actual scene. Enjoy your delusions. I see there being no point in trying to discuss with you. It’s like debating a Flat Earther at this point. *decides not to post a certain Londo meme as I can't get away with some attacks that cou apparantly can* So tell me, what is this oh-so wise lesson that Jake Skywalker has to teach that ISN'T in conflict with what he learned in the original trilogy? How do you justify this abomination of character reversal?
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Post by House Targaryen on Dec 18, 2019 16:53:24 GMT
Thats not what either lesson was. That's exactly what the lessons were. Yoda was showing Luke what a powerful ally the Force can be, how it's everywhere, guiding you, binding the galaxy together, and how a Jedi can perform truly amazing feats with it at your side. Luke's "lesson" otoh: And I will never, ever forgive Rian Johnson or Disney for this. My take away from Luke in that movie is he's so broken from the events in his life he just doesn't give a damn any more. He just wants to be left alone and die of old age. Self loathing does that.
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Post by mybudgee on Dec 18, 2019 16:58:16 GMT
Thank the Maker it's finally over... *huge sigh of relief*
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Post by Iakus on Dec 18, 2019 17:20:09 GMT
That's exactly what the lessons were. Yoda was showing Luke what a powerful ally the Force can be, how it's everywhere, guiding you, binding the galaxy together, and how a Jedi can perform truly amazing feats with it at your side. Luke's "lesson" otoh: And I will never, ever forgive Rian Johnson or Disney for this. My take away from Luke in that movie is he's so broken from the events in his life he just doesn't give a damn any more. He just wants to be left alone and die of old age. Self loathing does that. Events which were not in evidence in The Last Dumpster Fire. He suffered far worse in the original trilogy and remained more optimistic than even Yoda at the end.
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Post by Iakus on Dec 18, 2019 17:21:10 GMT
Thank the Maker it's finally over... *huge sigh of relief* Looks like the rumors really were true as well. Anakin and Luke's victories are completely undone so Rey (the TRUE Skywalker) can enjoy them instead. Edit: I suppose if Luke saw the future through the Force, and saw how meaningless everything he went through would turn out to be, that could explain him losing all faith in himself and the galaxy and hang around on a beach waiting to die...
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 18, 2019 17:28:36 GMT
Thank the Maker it's finally over... *huge sigh of relief* You have no idea.
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Post by Hier0phant on Dec 18, 2019 17:41:19 GMT
Thank the Maker it's finally over... *huge sigh of relief* Looks like the rumors really were true as well. Anakin and Luke's victories are completely undone so Rey (the TRUE Skywalker) can enjoy them instead. The entire Original Trilogy was rendered pointless because of the Sequel Trilogy. We have the blatant repetition of the OT's Galactic Civil War thanks to the massive plot induced stupidity displayed by the New Republic's leadership to allow such a scenario, Anakin's sacrifice being pointless and his designation as the chosen one being casted into doubt.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 18, 2019 18:19:25 GMT
Compared to Yoda? Yeah, Jake Skywalker is a pathetic loser. I don’t see the difference. Both are important lessons. Rey doesn't really get any kind of lesson. In the end, it just feels like she showed up to pester and beat up some washed up old geezer....which, hilariously, is exactly what she does. Something I feel should have been important is to display Luke's power as a seasoned Jedi with a far greater grasp of the Force than she does. Trouble with that is, her progress has already been hugely accelerated since TFA. What more could he even teach her anyway? If she was going to be played up as being really powerful, they could have made Luke serve as a way to temper what would be the reckless wielding of power by a novice. Like, she has all this power but no discipline to control it or something.
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Post by alanc9 on Dec 18, 2019 18:29:23 GMT
Hey, who was it who first posted here something along the lines of "or, the film will throw out everything that made TLJ interesting without adding anything good in its place."
From the early reviews, looks like we have a winner.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 18, 2019 18:31:50 GMT
That's exactly what the lessons were. Yoda was showing Luke what a powerful ally the Force can be, how it's everywhere, guiding you, binding the galaxy together, and how a Jedi can perform truly amazing feats with it at your side. Luke's "lesson" otoh: And I will never, ever forgive Rian Johnson or Disney for this. My take away from Luke in that movie is he's so broken from the events in his life he just doesn't give a damn any more. He just wants to be left alone and die of old age. Self loathing does that. My own takeaway from this is that Johnson was looking to "subvert" the seeming reverence of the whole scene and what the light saber represents. Tonally, the movie is all over the place. Was it supposed to be funny? Was it supposed to feel kind of sad that this is how far Luke has fallen since we last saw him in Jedi? Having a character be broken is fine if it can be executed properly, but here, it has the distinct feeling of a character being thoroughly assassinated. There's just not enough to go on to believe it, and the whole attempted murder of his nephew just puts a nice horrible cherry on top.
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