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Post by colfoley on Apr 9, 2020 5:09:33 GMT
Curious you should bring up symbolism and then ignore the symbolism in the scene...fairly obvious symbolism too. She was afraid of becoming Palpatine, of falling to the darkside, of herself and her obvious power so looking at the throne clearly...thanks to Daisy's great facial acting...freaked her out. And I found the threat of her falling to the Dark Side utterly unconvincing. More at risk was the Dark Side falling to her! Thus her in Palpatine's throne room was about as "spooky" as seeing her in any other dark room. Fate? I prefer stories where characters end up I the positions they're in as a result of their own choices. I missed that, but don't really care to verify I wanted to see something that grew organically from the original trilogy. Where the original characters don't experience radical personality changes or inexplicable rollbacks of their characters. If I wanted to see the same story, I suppose I'd be content with JJ Abrams work, since he clearly cribbed off the Dark Empire comics (albeit resulting in a greatly inferior product) media.giphy.com/media/VuzMKCjOVtYwE/giphy.gifAnd LEia has even less connection to Tatooine... [/quote] Can't speak for you but I was pretty terrified, on the edge of my seat, that she was going to break bad. They did get their by their own choices, clearly. I am using fate in the vein of 'for lack of a better word' *snort* amusing but can't be talking about me since A. I'm not mad and B. I've never claimed she was a goddess. In fact the only person who has ascribed divinity to any of these people has been...you.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 9, 2020 20:25:12 GMT
*snort* amusing but can't be talking about me since A. I'm not mad and B. I've never claimed she was a goddess. In fact the only person who has ascribed divinity to any of these people has been...you.[/quote]
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Post by Heimdall on Apr 10, 2020 11:52:28 GMT
I didn’t know a Star Wars/American Pie crossover existed, but... Weird Al Yankovic
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 10, 2020 17:56:18 GMT
Heir to the Empire... which I haven't read. ... and yet you claim to be a (nu-)fan? Perhaps, instead of being a Di$ney clone and disregarding anything not approved by corporate, you should try checking out some EU stuff because it's LEGENDARY! [/font][/b]
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Post by colfoley on Apr 10, 2020 18:29:07 GMT
which I haven't read. ... and yet you claim to be a (nu-)fan? Perhaps, instead of being a Di$ney clone and disregarding anything not approved by corporate, you should try checking out some EU stuff because it's LEGENDARY! [/font][/b] [/quote] I have enough to catch up on with the current canon to worry about things that aren't thank you.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 10, 2020 19:20:11 GMT
have you seen, played, or read every piece of official Star Wars media?
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Post by Iakus on Apr 10, 2020 20:04:24 GMT
have you seen, played, or read every piece of official Star Wars media? This isn't just any piece of Star Wars media. This is the work that kickstarted the EU. This was Star Wars material that hit #1 on the New York Times bestseller list (unheard of at the time). It introduced some of the most popular Star Wars characters ever, even if they never appeared in a movie: Grand Admiral Thrawn, Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, Captain Pelleaon. One could argue that without Heir to the Empire, there'd be no EU, and quite possibly no prequel trilogy. No Disney Wars either, but nothing's perfect...
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Post by colfoley on Apr 10, 2020 20:08:18 GMT
have you seen, played, or read every piece of official Star Wars media? This isn't just any piece of Star Wars media. This is the work that kickstarted the EU. This was Star Wars material that hit #1 on the New York Times bestseller list (unheard of at the time). It introduced some of the most popular Star Wars characters ever, even if they never appeared in a movie: Grand Admiral Thrawn, Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, Captain Pelleaon. One could argue that without Heir to the Empire, there'd be no EU, and quite possibly no prequel trilogy. No Disney Wars either, but nothing's perfect... The only reason I finished the NJO series is I started it like 3 times during my youth and it looked good. I have little interest of any legends content at this point aside from KOTOR, which I hope Disney reboots.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 10, 2020 20:12:24 GMT
have you seen, played, or read every piece of official Star Wars media? Almost, there are quite a few comics & novels I haven't gotten to. However I don't defend the stuff that's dumb and borders on nonsense just because of when it was released or by whom. Much of the EU novels are terrible, as are many videogames & comics. I am adamant that my opinion of ALL fiction, but especially that of my beloved Galaxy Far, Far Away is based on it's content, respect for lore and solid writing. Not identity politics or Tumblr trends. I love this stuff, and I will never stop arguing against dumbass ideas being shoe-horned into the Star Wars universe to make a cheap dollar. We, the fans deserve better than that... I know the best is yet to come. The Dark times will pass & true fans of Star Wars will soon be given more creative control
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Post by colfoley on Apr 10, 2020 20:15:27 GMT
have you seen, played, or read every piece of official Star Wars media? Almost, there are quite a few comics & novels I haven't gotten to. However I don't defend the stuff that's dumb and borders on nonsense just because of when it was released or by whom. Much of the EU novels are terrible, as are many videogames & comics. I am adamant that my opinion of ALL fiction, but especially that of my beloved Galaxy Far, Far Away is based on it's content, respect for lore and solid writing. Not identity politics or Tumblr trends. I love this stuff, and I will never stop arguing against dumbass ideas being shoe-horned into the Star Wars universe to make a cheap dollar. We, the fans deserve better than that... I know the best is yet to come. The Dark times will pass & true fans of Star Wars will soon be given more creative control I am really struggling if this warrants a like. Of course the no true star wars fan is...interesting...given some of the conversations in here.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 10, 2020 21:24:39 GMT
So by the end, the First Order got pasted and had to abandon what they were wearing?
Yeah, that does check out.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 10, 2020 21:28:59 GMT
This isn't just any piece of Star Wars media. This is the work that kickstarted the EU. This was Star Wars material that hit #1 on the New York Times bestseller list (unheard of at the time). It introduced some of the most popular Star Wars characters ever, even if they never appeared in a movie: Grand Admiral Thrawn, Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, Captain Pelleaon. One could argue that without Heir to the Empire, there'd be no EU, and quite possibly no prequel trilogy. No Disney Wars either, but nothing's perfect... The only reason I finished the NJO series is I started it like 3 times during my youth and it looked good. I have little interest of any legends content at this point aside from KOTOR, which I hope Disney reboots. After seeing Luke and Han's fates, I hope they stay the hell away from KOTOR. And Heir to the Empire is the gold standard for EU. It's only real flaw is since it predated the prequel series, some of the details concerning the Clones Wars are off. But I mean, Zahn NAMED Coruscant as the Republic capital, which ended up becoming canon! NJO had its moments, but it's when Del Rey gained publication rights to EU material and they decided to do a "darker and edgier" alien invasion storyline.
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Post by Sifr on Apr 10, 2020 21:35:32 GMT
But I mean, Zahn NAMED Coruscant as the Republic capital, which ended up becoming canon! Which makes it all the more annoying that Korriban isn't canon anymore.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 10, 2020 22:10:11 GMT
The only reason I finished the NJO series is I started it like 3 times during my youth and it looked good. I have little interest of any legends content at this point aside from KOTOR, which I hope Disney reboots. After seeing Luke and Han's fates, I hope they stay the hell away from KOTOR. And Heir to the Empire is the gold standard for EU. It's only real flaw is since it predated the prequel series, some of the details concerning the Clones Wars are off. But I mean, Zahn NAMED Coruscant as the Republic capital, which ended up becoming canon! NJO had its moments, but it's when Del Rey gained publication rights to RU material and they decided to do a "darker and edgier" alien invasion storyline. which was awesome except for the bits where they insisted on revisiting old EU plot lines. Seriously the Vong are pretty much the only thing I hope Disney recannonizes.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 10, 2020 22:35:12 GMT
After seeing Luke and Han's fates, I hope they stay the hell away from KOTOR. And Heir to the Empire is the gold standard for EU. It's only real flaw is since it predated the prequel series, some of the details concerning the Clones Wars are off. But I mean, Zahn NAMED Coruscant as the Republic capital, which ended up becoming canon! NJO had its moments, but it's when Del Rey gained publication rights to RU material and they decided to do a "darker and edgier" alien invasion storyline. which was awesome except for the bits where they insisted on revisiting old EU plot lines.
Seriously the Vong are pretty much the only thing I hope Disney recannonizes. Yeah, because we can't have consistency in a shared universe...
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Post by colfoley on Apr 10, 2020 23:04:41 GMT
which was awesome except for the bits where they insisted on revisiting old EU plot lines.
Seriously the Vong are pretty much the only thing I hope Disney recannonizes. Yeah, because we can't have consistency in a shared universe... Tsk. You should know that's not my problem. Just A. Since I hadn't read those stories I had no attachment to them and they kind of came out of nowhere and B. They virtually had nothing to do with the Vong conflict in general and just focused on revisiting those old storylines...and in some cases I suspect just repeating them...and I came there to read about the Vong conflict and that is what I was interested in. Fortunatley afterwards it got good again with Nom Anor being all epically philosophical and starting a cultist heresy.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 10, 2020 23:35:56 GMT
Yeah, because we can't have consistency in a shared universe... Tsk. You should know that's not my problem. Just A. Since I hadn't read those stories I had no attachment to them and they kind of came out of nowhere and B. They virtually had nothing to do with the Vong conflict in general and just focused on revisiting those old storylines...and in some cases I suspect just repeating them...and I came there to read about the Vong conflict and that is what I was interested in. Fortunatley afterwards it got good again with Nom Anor being all epically philosophical and starting a cultist heresy. A) So you're mad that you jumped into the EU towards the end of it's run and didn't understand what was going on? B. You just described JJ Abrams' Star Wars movies.
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Post by mybudgee on Apr 10, 2020 23:58:02 GMT
Almost, there are quite a few comics & novels I haven't gotten to. However I don't defend the stuff that's dumb and borders on nonsense just because of when it was released or by whom. Much of the EU novels are terrible, as are many videogames & comics. I am adamant that my opinion of ALL fiction, but especially that of my beloved Galaxy Far, Far Away is based on it's content, respect for lore and solid writing. Not identity politics or Tumblr trends. I love this stuff, and I will never stop arguing against dumbass ideas being shoe-horned into the Star Wars universe to make a cheap dollar. We, the fans deserve better than that... I know the best is yet to come. The Dark times will pass & true fans of Star Wars will soon be given more creative control [snip] I am really struggling if this warrants a like. Of course the no true star wars fan is...interesting...given some of the conversations in here. Dude, I mean K. Kennedy & JJ vs Favreau & Filoni. Corporate gluttons versus real fans of the classic trilogy who've been fortunate enough to work on Star Wars. Of course you don't understand, you rarely get anything I'm trying to say. Also I need your likes about as much as a fish needs a bicycle
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Post by Hier0phant on Apr 11, 2020 1:04:26 GMT
Disney's lore will soon surpass the old EU's in being convoluted despite it's small volume of material. Palpatine knew Vader would betray him yet he still gives him the Sith Wayfinder that can be used to locate Exegol where his clone bodies are hidden, nevermind Vader not telling Luke about this at any point after RoTJ's conclusion.
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Post by Obadiah on Apr 11, 2020 1:44:38 GMT
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P.S. I have no idea who either of these posters are...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 11, 2020 2:03:51 GMT
This isn't just any piece of Star Wars media. This is the work that kickstarted the EU. This was Star Wars material that hit #1 on the New York Times bestseller list (unheard of at the time). It introduced some of the most popular Star Wars characters ever, even if they never appeared in a movie: Grand Admiral Thrawn, Mara Jade, Talon Karrde, Captain Pelleaon. One could argue that without Heir to the Empire, there'd be no EU, and quite possibly no prequel trilogy. No Disney Wars either, but nothing's perfect... The only reason I finished the NJO series is I started it like 3 times during my youth and it looked good. I have little interest of any legends content at this point aside from KOTOR, which I hope Disney reboots.Please no. If they reboot KOTOR, I fear they are just going to make a canon version of the story. Even BioWare screwed up that way with SWTOR, and they made KOTOR.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 11, 2020 2:06:06 GMT
The only reason I finished the NJO series is I started it like 3 times during my youth and it looked good. I have little interest of any legends content at this point aside from KOTOR, which I hope Disney reboots.Please no. If they reboot KOTOR, I fear they are just going to make a canon version of the story. Even BioWare screwed up that way with SWTOR, and they made KOTOR. I wouldn't mind that. I mean I would prefer an updated RPG but just let me experience one of my favorite SWs characters properly.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 11, 2020 2:55:16 GMT
Please no. If they reboot KOTOR, I fear they are just going to make a canon version of the story. Even BioWare screwed up that way with SWTOR, and they made KOTOR. I wouldn't mind that. I mean I would prefer an updated RPG but just let me experience one of my favorite SWs characters properly. I wouldn’t like that, because like BioWare with SWTOR Disney would ruin one of my favorite Star Wars characters.
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